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Posted by vercetti101 on Feb-12-2008 17:14:

sharp keys

i just caught on about the keys in FL piano roll,

C1, C2 etc are different octaves and it goes up the way CDEFGAB. and in between each letter, there is a # note (i think this means the 'sharp' key wich is a little black key on a keyboard - is this correct?)

except theres no E# why is this?

also when making melodies or chords, what should u do stick to only the normal keys, or incorporate 'sharps' too?

what are the sharp keys or #notes for especially, does anyone have any insight?


Posted by System101 on Feb-12-2008 17:16:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWGiP3R3sFw


Posted by Nightshift on Feb-12-2008 17:33:

Re: sharp keys

quote:
Originally posted by vercetti101
i just caught on about the keys in FL piano roll,

C1, C2 etc are different octaves and it goes up the way CDEFGAB. and in between each letter, there is a # note (i think this means the 'sharp' key wich is a little black key on a keyboard - is this correct?)

except theres no E# why is this?

also when making melodies or chords, what should u do stick to only the normal keys, or incorporate 'sharps' too?

what are the sharp keys or #notes for especially, does anyone have any insight?


There is no E# on any keyboard ever made.

only C#/Db D#/Eb F#/Gb G#/Ab and A#/Bb


Posted by ASFSE on Feb-13-2008 06:27:

E# = F

i thought this thread was gonna be about keys that cut you, cuz i have that problem


Posted by cryophonik on Feb-13-2008 07:12:

quote:
Originally posted by ASFSE
E# = F


Exactly. And B#=C (third note in the key of G# major, for example). Conversely, C-flat=B and F-flat=E. They're called enharmonic notes and the name of the note all depends on what key you are playing in.

quote:
[i thought this thread was gonna be about keys that cut you, cuz i have that problem




Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-13-2008 07:23:

quote:
Originally posted by ASFSE
i thought this thread was gonna be about keys that cut you, cuz i have that problem

Maybe you're playing a bit too roughly?


Posted by sterilis on Feb-13-2008 13:18:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Maybe you're playing a bit too roughly?


agressive producing sounds like a good idea to try out


Posted by BOOsTER on Feb-13-2008 16:13:

wouldn't that make it sounding a bit EMO?


Posted by vercetti101 on Feb-13-2008 16:40:

quote:
Originally posted by System101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWGiP3R3sFw


cheers buddy, that chord house thing looks useful, even though i dont completely understand it yet.

so what are all your favourite notes?
i know some keys only go with certain keys.

and what exactly is a G# major?


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-13-2008 17:01:

quote:
Originally posted by vercetti101
so what are all your favourite notes?

Favorite notes? I didn't know that people had "favorite notes."


Posted by vercetti101 on Feb-13-2008 17:16:

so when your producing you dont tend to use a certain note that you like?

i like stuff like green martian - harmonic minor.. presumably written in "harmonic minor" whatever that is? a certain group of notes, going in a certain direction or something.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-13-2008 17:32:

I think you're getting the term "note" confused with "key." A "note" is a tone played at a certain frequency. A "key" is a set of notes. The sets of notes called "keys" are ordered by something called a "scale." The type of scale (major / minor / pentatonic / etc.) specifies what intervals are between one note and the next.


Posted by kitphillips on Feb-14-2008 02:28:


Posted by Darkarbiter on Feb-14-2008 03:47:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_minor

This and similar pages explains a lot.

A key defines what keys are played and which aren't. C major is what you play if you press all the white keys on the piano.


Every major is:

Full step
Half step and hence why there is no black key in between
Full step
Full step
Full step
Half step
Full step
Note also that in the arabic scale... majors are all full steps.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-14-2008 03:49:

Anyway, I think that my favorite note is G3. How about you guys?


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-14-2008 03:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
C major is what you play if you press all the white keys on the piano.

You can also play A Minor with all the white keys. Or G Mixolydian ( Mixolydian). Or B Locrian. Etc...


Posted by Project-K on Feb-14-2008 04:04:

Sounds like you need to sign up for a basic introduction to music class.


Posted by mysticalninja on Feb-15-2008 05:15:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Favorite notes? I didn't know that people had "favorite notes."


F.


Posted by mysticalninja on Feb-15-2008 05:15:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Favorite notes? I didn't know that people had "favorite notes."


F.


Posted by mysticalninja on Feb-15-2008 05:15:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Favorite notes? I didn't know that people had "favorite notes."


F.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Feb-15-2008 08:42:

A.

Whats the next person going to write???


Posted by Sanguis Mortuum on Feb-15-2008 13:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
A.

Whats the next person going to write???


D#


Posted by BOOsTER on Feb-15-2008 14:07:

B#


Posted by Reno on Feb-15-2008 15:03:

While there is no B# (B sharp) or E#, There is a B flat and E flat which is actually an A# and D# respectively except they become flats when your going down the scale instead of up.

At least thats what I was taught!!

As for the original question, just think of sharps as another note. Whether you use them or not depends on the scale you use for your note progression however I wouldn't worry about learning scales just yet, just play what sounds right and if you have a musical ear, it will be right.

If you want to know what a scale is, play do-rey-me-fa-so-la-te-do on a piano, you've done your first scale. Chances are you hit some sharps right?


Posted by BOOsTER on Feb-15-2008 15:48:

AFAIK... B# is a C... B + 1

I might be wrong, though!


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