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adressed mainly to you guys who have more experience with trance production and possibly are signed... where do you get your kick drums from? what do you guys usually do. use a premade kick? layer a few kicks? or create your own using drum synthesis programs. and yes i know of vengeace club sounds. im just interested to know how many "up there" producers are making or buying their kicks.

All the methods you mentioned are used.

can sample them from other tracks. guess that falls under the 'pre made' category

even the biggest names use samples , save the time for making other sounds

I slam on my woofer with my fist and record it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zoc9vUlu-BE

thats pretty funny right there. ok so im aware most of the big names use premade samples...but from where? i know not everybody is using vengeance,especially not the big names.

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Originally posted by piku303 i know not everybody is using vengeance,especially not the big names.

Heh, you'd be surprised...

The internet is filled with samples, you don't even need to look very hard if you want to find some.

i know! ive got a ton. most are really low quaility though. i love crystal clear kicks though so it sucks. maybe i just need to make my own. what are some good programs or au's you guys would recomend for macs. a lot of what ive found is for pc. ultrabeat in logic is pretty cool but the kicks seem a bit bland. id like to find a dedicated drum creation program.

Well a kick can be synthesised with pretty much any Synth that has an envelope with attack and decay and a sine wave. I prefer to used a program like Drumazon to get my basic 909 kick with a bit of parameter tweaking. After that well I synthesise another kick with something like Waldorf attack and well I mess around with em untill it sounds right for my track. Ever since I learned how to use a synth ive never touched any of my sample cds such as vengeance minimal house. Dont forget to also compress the kick to give it more of a punch but dont overdo it. I don't think a kick from a sample cd needs compressing though since I figure its already compressed too impress you so you can buy it? I still dont add reverb to my kicks yet since I dont fully understand the effect it is supposed to give to a kick. Also roll off any frequencies under 40hz from your final kick and it should punch through the mix a bit more.

most of my recent tracks are made with one 808 sample mixed with a 909 sample, pitched right and with the right envelope, compression, eq etc it gets pretty nice imo.

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Originally posted by ASFSE http://youtube.com/watch?v=zoc9vUlu-BE

oh blimey, seems that i have developed psychic powers.. how else would i know what the clip was before i opened the link?

No use reinventing the wheel every time you need one.

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Originally posted by Zild No use reinventing the wheel every time you need one.

Its not reinventing the wheel, sometimes you will need a kick with a certain timbre for your track.

I use Drumazon and Nepheton together and put them through some light distortion, reverb and some hard compression and see what I can squeeze out that way. For the most, though, I make hard techno so it's not the right kind of kick most would want here.

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Originally posted by Xelebes I use Drumazon and Nepheton together and put them through some light distortion, reverb and some hard compression and see what I can squeeze out that way. For the most, though, I make hard techno so it's not the right kind of kick most would want here.

Hey im interested in hard techno kicks! Also was wondering if you could explain a bit about reverb on a kick? Why is it done? Is it used as a send or insert?

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht Hey im interested in hard techno kicks! Also was wondering if you could explain a bit about reverb on a kick? Why is it done? Is it used as a send or insert?

typically reverb on hard techno kicks is a gated reverb. check out some gated reverb plugins. theyll help you get a very cool sound on kicks and snares.

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Originally posted by ASFSE http://youtube.com/watch?v=zoc9vUlu-BE

damn you!!! you beat me to it

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht Its not reinventing the wheel, sometimes you will need a kick with a certain timbre for your track.

Yeah thats why your sampler can make adjustments and why you have tons of different kick samples available.

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Originally posted by Zild Yeah thats why your sampler can make adjustments and why you have tons of different kick samples available.

theres no excuse for making a kick that uses a fundamental frequency in tune with your track. if you pitch a kick up and down in a sampler it makes it longer and shorter along with changing tune.

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Originally posted by piku303 theres no excuse for making a kick that uses a fundamental frequency in tune with your track. if you pitch a kick up and down in a sampler it makes it longer and shorter along with changing tune.

Did you mean no excuse for not making a kick? There was a a whole discussion about this on a forum called DogsonAcid, ill try to find it.

id like to see it but what i meant is, simply taking a kick sample and trying to tune it to your song cannot be as effective as making your own kick drum and tuning it to your song from the get go. plus you can have more control over how it sounds and make it fit in your track better.

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Originally posted by piku303 id like to see it but what i meant is, simply taking a kick sample and trying to tune it to your song cannot be as effective as making your own kick drum and tuning it to your song from the get go. plus you can have more control over how it sounds and make it fit in your track better.

100% true.

Heres the link for the discussion.
http://www2.ben-xo.com/showthread.p...20&pagenumber=1

If im not supposed to be putting links to other boards ill take it down.

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Originally posted by piku303 id like to see it but what i meant is, simply taking a kick sample and trying to tune it to your song cannot be as effective as making your own kick drum and tuning it to your song from the get go. plus you can have more control over how it sounds and make it fit in your track better.

But that is why you have a whole library of kick samples like I've already said.

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Originally posted by Zild But that is why you have a whole library of kick samples like I've already said.

you cant have a full library of kicks that sound good in every instance and are in tune.

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