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Is Deep House really Tech House?

Been wondering lately. I've talked to a few people who are making the claim that because deep house back in the 80's was actually considered tech house, most deep house of today is really tech house. This doesn't really sound right to me but I thought I'd pose the question here as I know you guys have a lot more background with these genres and I'm still exploring it. But the Timewriter is a tech house artist? wtf?

No, it isn't.

no.

Ok great. Now can anyone post some more information on the origins of deep house and tech house? I feel the need in learning some history, so I'm better informed next time someone tries making another assertion as to this.

http://www.discogs.com/release/39922

When people try to tell you what it is that specifically defines a genre you should just ask them where you can find the source for their definition. Is it in the EDM handbook they give to ravers at their bar mitzvahs? Is it what Ishkur says? Who determines what qualifies as this genre or that?



I think people generally have an idea of what is this or what is that, but there is so much fucking overlap and there are so many shades of gray for each genre that nailing down some argument so that you can own your friend when they try to tell you something is this or that is a truly, truly tedious and pointless affair.

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Originally posted by RJT I think people generally have an idea of what is this or what is that, but there is so much fucking overlap and there are so many shades of gray for each genre that nailing down some argument so that you can own your friend when they try to tell you something is this or that is a truly, truly tedious and pointless affair.

+1

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Originally posted by RJT When people try to tell you what it is that specifically defines a genre you should just ask them where you can find the source for their definition. Is it in the EDM handbook they give to ravers at their bar mitzvahs? Is it what Ishkur says? Who determines what qualifies as this genre or that?

A panel of experts.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles A panel of experts.

30 Helens?

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Originally posted by RJT No, it isn't.

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Originally posted by RJT 30 Helens?

Exactly.

does pinocchio have wooden balls?

Nope (To the deep house question, not the pinocchio one, although I don't know)

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Originally posted by RJT No, it isn't.

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Originally posted by Ben Brown does pinocchio have wooden balls?

he doesn't have any balls until he becomes a real boy imo.

It's just common sense. tech house is going to have a stronger techno influence.

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Originally posted by Project-K It's just common sense. tech house is going to have a stronger techno influence.

you're going to find songs with elements and influences of both.

but strictly speaking there is a line between deep and tech... there's a line between everything, no matter how vague.

one is capable of playing tech and deep house and making it work well together.

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Originally posted by Project-K It's just common sense. tech house is going to have a stronger techno influence.

that's what I always thought.

I think that, what is refered as "tech-house" today is not the same as to what was refered as "tech-house" a few years back. I mean go to beatport and half of the releases are called "Tech-house". Today, if a house tune has a bleep or some mechanical sound it automatically becomes "Tech". It maybe is. Genres are very relative and with all this "minimal", "electro" and whatever else there is out there, sometimes it is difficult to diferrentiate. i remember though, that,in 2002, for example many of the artists that made "tech-house", were also categorized as "deep-house" as well. Jay Tripwire, Eddie Richards, the stuff Terry Francis played, The F-Communication label, Alexi Delano, Circulation, The Timewriter, Harris, Gideon Jackson and many others actually used to make-and play- both.


In reality,the "deep/tech house" coming from the end of 90s and first quarter of 00s was nothing more than house music inspired by the original Chicago house and Detroit techno of the 80s and 90s, albeit-with modern production techniques. Both used deep off-chords, heavy low-end, tribal and funky drums, pianos, the characteristic detroit strings, stabs of distorted and echoed soulfull vocals etc...From that point of view, both "Genres" were quantitavily and not qualitatively different. As a result, deep house represented the more chilled, groovy and full sound appropriate for lounge-bars, whereas tech-house represented the more up-beat, fast and stripped-down version of this sound suitable for small, dark, sweaty clubs. That of course doesn't mean that "Deep" and "tech-house" artists were always the one and the same, but in many cases were.


Genre names are made by people though and music itself evolves very fast (between genre-diffusion). Hence, in the same way that trance today has nothing to do with the 93 trance, today's (or tomorrows) "tech-house" may have nothing to do with the older (deep/)"Tech-house" sound.

genre differentiations/arguments will really get us (anyone really) nowhere.

there's too much crossover to account for.

Petran, best post i have read in 08, well done

I think they can be pretty interchangeable.

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Originally posted by bas I think they can be pretty interchangeable.

ahh there's the word i'm looking for. nice one bas.

No. Deep house doesn't have much if any techno-sounding elements. It's more funk/groove based.

I think the responses in this thread are all still best summed up by the idea that trying to define genres in any broad sense is utterly pointless.

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