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The official "8th note" trance thread

No this isn't about Deadmau5, although he is a big contributor to the 8th note community. There are other tracks, such as "Foreplay" by Probspot, which are also really good and nothing but good ol 8th notes.

Any other 8th note trance tracks please post in this thread so I can find them and listen to them. I love these 8th note track tracks. They really bring out the autism in me.

LOL.

I need to make a track called "Eighth Notes," composed of -- well, you know.

Maybe I'm being stupid, but what's so notable about writing a track using 1/8th notes?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Maybe I'm being stupid, but what's so notable about writing a track using 1/8th notes?

it is 8 times as good as a track that uses whole notes

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Maybe I'm being stupid, but what's so notable about writing a track using 1/8th notes?

Nothing. All electronic music uses 8th note melodies. A funny audio clip of a guy making fun of deadmau5 for his overuse of punchy and distinct, low-ADSR doting 8th notes is making the rounds, and now trance crackers are harping on it as if they know what that means.

This is like going after the guy for his use of a 4/4 beat. (those are quarter note drum beats, btw!)

Why not start a quarter note drum beat thread?

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Originally posted by Ishkur Nothing. All electronic music uses 8th note melodies.

Not really. 16th note melodies are a lot more common, at least in trance.

16th note arpeggiation hasn't been involved in main sequence trance for years, and you know it.

8th notes are more common, and have been since anthems and breakdowns became the norm.

Don't split hairs.

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Originally posted by Ishkur 16th note arpeggiation hasn't been involved in main sequence trance for years, and you know it. 8th notes are more common, and have been since anthems and breakdowns became the norm. Don't split hairs.

Eh, whatever. I'm probably biased because my favorite kind of trance tends to be the 16th-note arpeggiated sort.

I think the criticism aimed at Deadmau5 is for having 1/8th notes with boring patterns (1+2+3+4+), loads of music uses 8th notes in general.

In other words, he's using what is essentially a pad (Stuart Price loves padding his tracks with that same kind of texturized 8th notes), as a lead. But of course in uninteresting patterns, I guess to make it feel more McProg.

That's not the first time a pad was used as a lead. The supersaw used to be a pad (Agnelli & Nelson - El Nino).

It's just a fad. Remember the whole multi-tap delay effect "twinkle prog" of Markus Schultz et. al.? Hell, I think Probspot was guilty of this, too. From this, to horrendously abused sidechain house, electronic music loves to go through its fads, and by fads I mean lazy production techniques.

nothing lazy about production, imo.

triplets < 8th notes

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Originally posted by Trancealot triplets < 8th notes

Any EDM song that uses triplets? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is Sticky - Triplets, a 2-step song from the early part of this decade.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Nothing. All electronic music uses 8th note melodies.

Yes, but they use arpeggios (real arpeggios), rather than convey a simple slow-moving diatonic chord progression that doesn't even change much from track to track. The former isn't so bad. The latter sounds kinda dumb.

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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch Any EDM song that uses triplets? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is Sticky - Triplets, a 2-step song from the early part of this decade.

I believe triplets are found extensively in jungle.

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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch Any EDM song that uses triplets? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is Sticky - Triplets, a 2-step song from the early part of this decade.

�me - Fiori

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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch Any EDM song that uses triplets? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is Sticky - Triplets, a 2-step song from the early part of this decade.

I just want to let you know I did triplets less than eigths
I did not edit to show my carelessness errr. (Suppose to be > )I can't name any atm but I'll will with triplets later

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Originally posted by Ishkur 16th note arpeggiation hasn't been involved in main sequence trance for years, and you know it. 8th notes are more common, and have been since anthems and breakdowns became the norm.

are you classifying notes as beats or bars, for the sake of clarity?

because the norm in 99.9% of trance is for the beats to be divided into 4, and thus the bars into 16 (as is the default on every piano roll i've ever seen) so i'm not quite sure where you're getting 8ths from

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Originally posted by isoterra are you classifying notes as beats or bars, for the sake of clarity? because the norm in 99.9% of trance is for the beats to be divided into 4, and thus the bars into 16 (as is the default on every piano roll i've ever seen) so i'm not quite sure where you're getting 8ths from

It doesn't matter how finely the piano roll is divided. Most piano rolls go down to at least 64th note or 128th note resolution. What matters is what kind of notes the producer actually uses to construct the track.

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Originally posted by isoterra are you classifying notes as beats or bars, for the sake of clarity? because the norm in 99.9% of trance is for the beats to be divided into 4, and thus the bars into 16 (as is the default on every piano roll i've ever seen) so i'm not quite sure where you're getting 8ths from

A measure/bar can be as long or as short as you want. It can have as many beats as it wants.

A beat is not a note (at least, not yet). A beat is an abstract way of keeping tempo. Don't confuse it with the kickdrum, which is something entirely different. Don't confuse it with BPM either, which is a different kind of tempo.

The length of a note can range anywhere from being as long as the measure/bar itself (ie: whole notes or 1/1, which is basically just one long tone), to being infinitesimal fractions of a measure. Classical music rarely had notes shorter than 1/32--the notes were simply too short to play any shorter--but modern electronic compositions have used 64th, 128th, and even, if you can believe it, 256th notes.

Put these two together and you have the TIME SIGNATURE, which tells you how many beats there are in a measure, and what note value they are. So thus, in western music, the most famous time signature is the 4/4, which means there are 4 beats per measure, and each beat is a 4th note. These beats can be as long or as short as you want, so long as there are four of them per measure. Stop thinking of notes as having any specific length, and start thinking of them as fractions of the length of the measure.

Modern sequence software often divides bars into 16 steps (not notes) by default, but you can re-define them anyway you like. This doesn't mean anything you program in any of its steps is exactly 1/16th of the bar--that merely places where the note starts. You can quite easily program a whole note into step one, and it'll play throughout the duration of the bar. The number of steps in the sequencer has absolutely nothing to do with the length of the notes.

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Originally posted by Ishkur A measure/bar can be as long or as short as you want. It can have as many beats as it wants. A beat is not a note (at least, not yet). A beat is an abstract way of keeping tempo. Don't confuse it with the kickdrum, which is something entirely different. Don't confuse it with BPM either, which is a different kind of tempo. The length of a note can range anywhere from being as long as the measure/bar itself (ie: whole notes or 1/1, which is basically just one long tone), to being infinitesimal fractions of a measure. Classical music rarely had notes shorter than 1/32--the notes were simply too short to play any shorter--but modern electronic compositions have used 64th, 128th, and even, if you can believe it, 256th notes. Put these two together and you have the TIME SIGNATURE, which tells you how many beats there are in a measure, and what note value they are. So thus, in western music, the most famous time signature is the 4/4, which means there are 4 beats per measure, and each beat is a 4th note. These beats can be as long or as short as you want, so long as there are four of them per measure. Stop thinking of notes as having any specific length, and start thinking of them as fractions of the length of the measure. Modern sequence software often divides bars into 16 steps (not notes) by default, but you can re-define them anyway you like. This doesn't mean anything you program in any of its steps is exactly 1/16th of the bar--that merely places where the note starts. You can quite easily program a whole note into step one, and it'll play throughout the duration of the bar. The number of steps in the sequencer has absolutely nothing to do with the length of the notes.

I wanted to explain this but i couldn't be arsed. n1

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Originally posted by Ishkur Nothing. All electronic music uses 8th note melodies.

Uh not what I meant by the title of this thread.

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A funny audio clip of a guy making fun of deadmau5 for his overuse of punchy and distinct, low-ADSR doting 8th notes is making the rounds, and now trance crackers are harping on it as if they know what that means.

Yes please post songs that sound like what you described above. Thanks for helping to clarify with your overabundant knowledge. =)

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Why not start a quarter note drum beat thread?

Because you are a lesbian Ish. That's why. You are an Ishbian.

Beatport has a chart up called "If you like Deadmau5, try this." It's full of eighth note tunes.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Yes, but they use arpeggios (real arpeggios), rather than convey a simple slow-moving diatonic chord progression that doesn't even change much from track to track. The former isn't so bad. The latter sounds kinda dumb.

I've gotta admit, it's getting old and overdone...but I still like Faxing Berlin...

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Originally posted by Ishkur Nothing. All electronic music uses 8th note melodies. A funny audio clip of a guy making fun of deadmau5 for his overuse of punchy and distinct, low-ADSR doting 8th notes is making the rounds, and now trance crackers are harping on it as if they know what that means.

That's mau5, not some random guy.

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