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Posted by ToXano on Feb-27-2008 12:26:

Pitchbending on a CDJ-1000

Hey guys,

I possess 2x Denon DN-S1000 cd players. I am very happy with them and they are very good players for their price.

The only bad thing about them is that you wont find them in any club, where the Pioneer CDJ-1000 is the standard.

I would like to know from somebody who played on both if the difference in pitchbending (using the platter) is similar. I know people will mention that the Denon's platter is touch-sensitive, but apart from that is there any difference in sensitivity? Or something else I should be aware of when using CDJ'ś?

Thanks

Posted by tt_rossco on Feb-27-2008 13:16:

Ok, so with the s1000, you turn the jog dial to slow or spee the track, and then you push harder to "scratch", yeah??

with the CDJ1000, there's two options.

CDJ mode means that you can't scratch, so its basically the same as the s1000 if you dont push down.

Vinyl mode makes the top surface of the jog dial touch sensitive, so if you touch it, it stops, scratches, etc, just like a normal vinyl. to do the pitch bend you use the side of the jog dial.

as far as actual sensitivity in the speed up / slow down sense, im not too sure, i've never really taken much notice!

Hope that makes sense?

Posted by ToXano on Feb-28-2008 10:54:

Thanks for the clarification.

So if I'm understanding it right, the side of the jog remains the same wether in Vinyl mode or in CDJ mode? So the only things that changes is the top of the Jog-wheel?

Posted by tt_rossco on Feb-28-2008 11:13:

Thats it!

Posted by Stasis on Feb-28-2008 16:04:

Having been raised on a little pair of Gemini CDJ-20's, where the only pitch-bending was done with two little black buttons, I'm actually more comfortable with the pitch bend buttons on modern Denon's.

Nudging the CDJ platter is fine and all, it's just that I kinda developed a knack for "riding the buttons" (that's just some jock jargon for y'all). Anyone else who started with junk CD players the same?

Posted by ToXano on Feb-28-2008 16:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Stasis
Having been raised on a little pair of Gemini CDJ-20's, where the only pitch-bending was done with two little black buttons, I'm actually more comfortable with the pitch bend buttons on modern Denon's.

Nudging the CDJ platter is fine and all, it's just that I kinda developed a knack for "riding the buttons" (that's just some jock jargon for y'all). Anyone else who started with junk CD players the same?

I totally agree. DJing and bending with the + - buttons on my Denon works way better then any jogwheel based pitchbending method.

90% of the times I beatmatch on the fly as it is so easy with these buttons.

Posted by Jarvmeister on Feb-28-2008 17:45:

quote:
Originally posted by ToXano
I totally agree. DJing and bending with the + - buttons on my Denon works way better then any jogwheel based pitchbending method.

Pitchbend with the CDJ1000 and you'll soon realize that the Dennon method is somewhat lacking.........

Posted by Stasis on Feb-28-2008 17:53:

You hear this so often, and yet...I feel like the jog wheel is a so fluid and reacts so directly to how much pressure you push on it, it can be a mixed bag. To those who started with a jog wheel, I think they just get used to it, and develop a "touch" for it. For those who started using pitch-bend buttons, which are not about "pressure" but more about "timing", you start to get more comfortable using them instead.

It would be nice if Pioneer just added that feature to the CDJ line. For all "regular" DJ's, they could continue using the jog wheel, but for all us Denon (or in my case, Gemini, bleh) converts, they would provide a much smoother transition to the new hardware.

Posted by Clovis on Feb-28-2008 19:29:

Or you guys could just learn to not pitch bend

Posted by elFreak on Feb-28-2008 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Or you guys could just learn to not pitch bend

have to agree with this.

Posted by Stasis on Feb-28-2008 21:27:

Woah there, Clableton. Low blow

....

Posted by Clovis on Feb-28-2008 21:50:

I've been trying to put an end to my platter pushing addiction. Working the pitch slider is much more fun.

Posted by elFreak on Feb-28-2008 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I've been trying to put an end to my platter pushing addiction. Working the pitch slider is much more fun.

as well as more accurate

Posted by Jarvmeister on Feb-28-2008 22:13:

Whatever gets the job done, but I finished pitch adjustment with the pitch slider when I moved from 1210s to CDJs.

Posted by Stasis on Feb-28-2008 22:57:

Pitch-benders anonymous (PBA)? Member we should have a support group.

Posted by Ryan0751 on Feb-29-2008 14:26:

Not necessarily... I make adjustments on my CDJ-1000's that you can't even hear... like 1/8 of a platter rotation at slow speed. Moving the pitch, you're more likely to over correct.

As for the original poster... the CDJ-1000 jog wheel feels about 1000x better than the DN-S1000. I used to own the DN-S1000, and just used the buttons.

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
as well as more accurate

Posted by Zild on Feb-29-2008 14:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I've been trying to put an end to my platter pushing addiction. Working the pitch slider is much more fun.

I would agree with you if we were talking about Technics turntables.

Posted by elFreak on Feb-29-2008 19:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Not necessarily... I make adjustments on my CDJ-1000's that you can't even hear... like 1/8 of a platter rotation at slow speed. Moving the pitch, you're more likely to over correct.

As for the original poster... the CDJ-1000 jog wheel feels about 1000x better than the DN-S1000. I used to own the DN-S1000, and just used the buttons.

it all depends. If you know the precise bpm's of both tracks and some basic math, with proper timing you can drop tracks (even without the cans) in on the first beat without even looking at the jog wheel. Its a question of preference of course.Know your tracks + know the gear = minimal adjustments in my experience. Then again we all have our own style of mixing and our own ways of doing things, so as long as the final product is good that it all that matters.

Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Mar-01-2008 03:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I've been trying to put an end to my platter pushing addiction. Working the pitch slider is much more fun.

word!

Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Mar-01-2008 03:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
I would agree with you if we were talking about Technics turntables.

Or anything with a pitch fader that isn't so light as CD deck pitchfaders all tend to be.

The resistance of the technics fader is key. If I ever go CD I'll be installing a pitch fader similar to the 1200s.

Posted by Zild on Mar-02-2008 16:31:

I had similar thoughts at first when transitioning from vinyl to CD, but the jog wheel is really awesome, so all my thoughts of riding the pitch on CDJs immediately went out the window.

Posted by miamitranceman on Mar-02-2008 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
I had similar thoughts at first when transitioning from vinyl to CD, but the jog wheel is really awesome, so all my thoughts of riding the pitch on CDJs immediately went out the window.

+1.

Besides scratching, why do you think they put all the grooves on the side of the 800/1000 wheels in the first place?

Posted by djxtension on Mar-02-2008 19:35:

quote:
Originally posted by miamitranceman
+1.

Besides scratching, why do you think they put all the grooves on the side of the 800/1000 wheels in the first place?

Because it looks really, really, really cool?

I use the platter for pitch bending as well. Works fine for me.