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Israeli Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Double Standard. . .

All this talk of weapons of mass destruction, from Zionists, and neoconservatives. Iran must never be able to have any nuclear capabilities whatsoever, EVEN FOR CIVILIAN POWER. The Zionist regime in Israel does not want peace. The US government is held hostage to the Zionists, surrendering our national interest for the interest of the Zionists. What is the reason for such blind support for a foreign country thousands of miles away? There sure isn't any trade, or strategic objectives large enough to justify such support. It's because of Fundamentalist Christianity and Zionisms unholy alliance much like the crusades of the Middle Ages. It is not logic, or rationality. It is religion. Israel to these people is heaven on earth, infallible, whose actions are justified on the basis of god being on their side. When a state is given a divine status, that in essense, is a state without boundries.

Now, if I were to go to Washington and say such things, I'de be called an Anti-Semite Jew hater, etc., etc. Thus, my point is proven. Israel is infallible, exempt from any criticism, much like any criticism of Bush is labeled by neoconservatives as traitors because, "we're at war." I have no prejudice against Jews. My prejudice is against the Zionist hypocrits who says no other country except us are allowed to have WMDs.

We think Saddam is the only one to have used chemical weapons in the last 20 years, but the video below contains footage of Israeli use of chemical nerve agents against Palestinean civilians. The video is about 50 minutes long, so if you watch the whole thing, you'll see that the Israelis have used chemical weapons just like Saddam.

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Israel will never have peace. I find the anti-christ prophecy very compelling at this juncture. . .

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Daniel 9 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

I find it horrifying that according to this prophecy, whether you believe it or not, inplies that the man who bring peace to the Middle East is the so-called "anti-christ". . .

i tend to agree that we shouldn't support Israel simply because I don't believe that it is not in our national interest. unfortunately, Israel's position in the middle east is strategically important for american policy. Since the US government has made it clear that it intends to meddle in the affairs of those countries, there will always be potential for hostility. This is where our support for israel becomes important. Israel, clearly, is the enemy of every arab state. Our backing of Israel is our first offense in any potential conflict with Arab nations. Whether the government will say that much is irrelevant.

I would argue even further that our government needs to take the swiss approach to foriegn policy. we desperately need to stop trying to be the moral compass for the world. I'm sure a majority of americans could care less if iraq is democratic. Furthermore, not one person would honestly sacrifice their son to meet that goal. what we built took hundreds of years and we can't expect that we can impose it on people, who have no history of our variety of society, and expect them to fully embrace it without problems. our government's role, first and foremost, is to provide for the people of this country. we are not the arbiter of the world's disputes and we should stop trying to be such. contrary to what some ridiculously misinformed Americans think, the rest of the world is not jealous of Americans and their hatred of us doesn't stem from that. if we stop intervening in issues that don't involve us, people will stop hating us.

obviously oil has a major role in all of this. this is why we need to embrace alternative fuels, regardless of the expense.

i think anyone quoting scripture in relation to politics should be sent to a rubber cell.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think anyone quoting scripture in relation to politics should be sent to a rubber cell.

LOL! Damn, you beat me to saying the exact same thing.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think anyone quoting scripture in relation to politics should be sent to a rubber cell.

Did I use it to prove a point? No. I simply stated that it freaks me out that that scripture basically says that the man who brings peace to the Middle East is essentially the most evil man on earth. Are you so insensitive, that you can't even stand the mere mention of religious text?

Anyways, who cares what you think about religion? We all know you hate it. How about the main points of this thread? The Zionist alliance? Do you have anything to say to that? Or is this just going to turn into another "I hate religion" thread? Face it, religion is engrained in all facets of life, politics included.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 obviously oil has a major role in all of this. this is why we need to embrace alternative fuels, regardless of the expense.

The US has a lot of oil in reserves the only reason the US likes ME oil is due to it's high quality also because the US government enjoys making enemies.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think anyone quoting scripture in relation to politics should be sent to a rubber cell.

So you acknowlege that the hypocritical claim by secular Zinoist Jews to Israel. "the holy land" (now why the fuck should that make a difference to a secular individual?),a reality that necessarily relies on theft, coercion, military aggression, terrorism, expansion, and violation of international law as a means is complete and utter nonsense right? Or does your 'centrist' ass love hypocrisy and double standards that much?

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru The US has a lot of oil in reserves the only reason the US likes ME oil is due to it's high quality also because the US government enjoys making enemies.

???

I'd call this a "Mystery Post"; Nothing about it makes sense. Hence, it's a total mystery.

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Originally posted by Krypton Did I use it to prove a point? No. I simply stated that it freaks me out that that scripture basically says that the man who brings peace to the Middle East is essentially the most evil man on earth. Are you so insensitive, that you can't even stand the mere mention of religious text? Anyways, who cares what you think about religion? We all know you hate it. How about the main points of this thread? The Zionist alliance? Do you have anything to say to that? Or is this just going to turn into another "I hate religion" thread? Face it, religion is engrained in all facets of life, politics included.

The answer to your question lies in your own religious beliefs;

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Originally posted by Krypton ...What is the reason for such blind support for a foreign country thousands of miles away? There sure isn't any trade, or strategic objectives large enough to justify such support. It's because of Evengelical Christianity and Zionisms unholy alliance much like the crusades of the Middle Ages. It is not logic, or rationality. It is religion.

"unholy alliance"?

I blame both sides in the middle-east for these absurd wars that they have going on over there. They're all based on "scripture" and "god" and "holy land".

I've actually come to the belief that religion is a GOOD thing for mankind. It's a form of population control, in the sense the you dumb-ass religious zealots just love to start wars over this crap, and that results in wiping more of you off the planet.

So please, gripe away about the "Zionists"...and then go over there and fight them...and die. The sooner the better.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco I blame both sides in the middle-east for these absurd wars that they have going on over there. They're all based on "scripture" and "god" and "holy land".

Actually, no. The "other" side happen to be the native indigenous population, the real semitic Palestinians, Chrisitans, and Jews living in the region. Not your Ashkhenazi European / Slovic immigrants. By that logic, I guess you blame the native American Indians for being virtually extinct too?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco The answer to your question lies in your own religious beliefs;

You just hit the circular reasoning button. . .

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"unholy alliance"?

Well, have you heard what evengical leaders like Pat Robertson say that christians (USA) and jews should come together for Israel as if such an alliance is divinely inspired?

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I blame both sides in the middle-east for these absurd wars that they have going on over there. They're all based on "scripture" and "god" and "holy land".

I blame the occupier for the failed state disaster of the Palestinians. Until the occupation ends, Israel will never have peace.

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So please, gripe away about the "Zionists"...and then go over there and fight them...and die. The sooner the better.

Is that a wish of death?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So you acknowlege that the hypocritical claim by secular Zinoist Jews to Israel

of course, in so far as it relates to their "right" to the "holy" land.

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Originally posted by Krypton Did I use it to prove a point?

haha, of course not.

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Originally posted by Krypton I simply stated that it freaks me out that that scripture basically says that the man who brings peace to the Middle East is essentially the most evil man on earth.

you know what freaks me out? sauron in lord of the rings. dont see me mentioning him in regards to contemporary politics though.

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Originally posted by Krypton Are you so insensitive, that you can't even stand the mere mention of religious text?

no, im just at a complete loss as to what relevance you seem to think it has in politics (other than helping to explain current problems and attitudes). i think the quoting of prophetic christian scripture to be completely retarded, which is why i said what i did.

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Originally posted by Krypton Anyways, who cares what you think about religion?

last time i checked - YOU made this thread about religion einstein. i certainly didn't click on this thread expecting some superstitious bullshit oozing out of the seams. i also wanted to see whether this video is of a higher standard than the usual nonsense you become infatuated with. alas i wont know until after work (the fact that its BBC though lends me some hope).

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Originally posted by Krypton How about the main points of this thread? The Zionist alliance? Do you have anything to say to that?

there's no doubt a religiously-based zionist influence in the US, but to argue that's the only reason the US is in bed with israel just isnt credible.

i find it rather ironic that you criticise the US' relationship with israel along religious lines, and then post some bollocks prophecy stuff that only the most crazy nutjobs believe.

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Originally posted by Krypton because of Evengelical Christianity and Zionisms unholy alliance much like the crusades of the Middle Ages.

as per usual, i find your understanding of the situation completely one-sided and overly-simplistic.

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Originally posted by Krypton Or is this just going to turn into another "I hate religion" thread?

again, you made it so with your idiotic contribution

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Originally posted by Krypton Face it, religion is engrained in all facets of life, politics included.

there's a difference between understanding the role that religion plays in the world and actually arguing that some kind of scripture is "compelling" for an argument related to the anti-christ or in any way holds relevance to the current state of affairs in the "holy" land.

PKC, you pounced on him for no reason just because he made a reference to a religious text, not to argue a point or anything, just expressing his opinion about it. What's the big deal?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z PKC, you pounced on him for no reason just because he made a reference to a religious text, not to argue a point or anything, just expressing his opinion about it. What's the big deal?

because i fail to see why quoting scripture is of ANY relevance whatsoever, let alone "compelling", it makes him no better than the zionists or your presidents that talk about what god told them to do, or the people that blow themselves up in god's name.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN because i fail to see why quoting scripture is of ANY relevance whatsoever, let alone "compelling", it makes him no better than the zionists or your presidents that talk about what god told them to do, or the people that blow themselves up in god's name.

So it's lack of relevance to you warrants being condescending and attacking him? How does that make him like the Zionists or Bush when he clearly said he just finds it interesting, as a side comment, which has nothing to do with anything he proposed or argued?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you know what freaks me out? sauron in lord of the rings. dont see me mentioning him in regards to contemporary politics though. no, im just at a complete loss as to what relevance you seem to think it has in politics (other than helping to explain current problems and attitudes). i think the quoting of prophetic christian scripture to be completely retarded, which is why i said what i did. last time i checked - YOU made this thread about religion einstein. i certainly didn't click on this thread expecting some superstitious bullshit oozing out of the seams. i also wanted to see whether this video is of a higher standard than the usual nonsense you become infatuated with. alas i wont know until after work (the fact that its BBC though lends me some hope). there's no doubt a religiously-based zionist influence in the US, but to argue that's the only reason the US is in bed with israel just isnt credible. i find it rather ironic that you criticise the US' relationship with israel along religious lines, and then post some bollocks prophecy stuff that only the most crazy nutjobs believe.

You do know that evengelical christians are the leaders of the USA right? Do you know that Zionist Jews rule in Israel? Now, does religion have an ideological presence in politics? Politics is a battle of ideologies, and to think, that religion can somehow be separated from politics really is narrow thinking.

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as per usual, i find your understanding of the situation completely one-sided and overly-simplistic. again, you made it so with your idiotic contribution

Again, nothing added from your part but unjustified religion bashing. Great job ruining a perfectly good thread. .

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there's a difference between understanding the role that religion plays in the world and actually arguing that some kind of scripture is "compelling" for an argument related to the anti-christ or in any way holds relevance to the current state of affairs in the "holy" land.

AWESOME! Great! But why do you always concentrate only on religion bashing when the point of this thread was not in any way to advocate the practice of a religion!? You act like I'm trying to convert you or something. Dude, seriously, relax. Religion is not your freakin enemy. . .

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Originally posted by Krypton You do know that evengelical christians are the leaders of the USA right?

what? who?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So it's lack of relevance to you warrants being condescending and attacking him? How does that make him like the Zionists or Bush when he clearly said he just finds it interesting, as a side comment, which has nothing to do with anything he proposed or argued?

its not a "side" comment - the whole post is regarding religious influence between zionists and evangelical christians. it is completely related to what he is talking about, not to mention incredible hypocrisy at the same time. i didnt make this thread about religion, so back off.

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Originally posted by Krypton You do know that evengelical christians are the leaders of the USA right? Do you know that Zionist Jews rule in Israel?

again, your understanding of the situation is completely one-sided and overly simplistic. to argue that evangelical christians run the US government simply isnt true. they are a lobby group like any other, with a greater (or lesser) sphere of influence depending on which party is in power, and who their leader is. it certainly doesn't explain the US' historical support for israel over the last 60 years. go watch some more of zeitgeist and any other fantastically researched endeavours!

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Originally posted by Krypton to think, that religion can somehow be separated from politics really is narrow thinking.

only because fools like you believe it is rational and "compelling" to quote scripture when talking about the prospects of peace in the middle east. the only reason religion is involved in politics is because there arent enough people that think like me, pure and simple.

but to argue that evangelical christianism is the single, most important factor in american foreign policy in regards to israel is just a juvenile and adolescent argument.



so, is this thread about israel's WMDs or some conspiracy concerning the NWO and their christian backers and what krypton thinks the bible has to say about the whole thing?

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Originally posted by Q5echo what? who?

Tell me you're not serious . . .George Bush for one. . .

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"I urge all Texans to answer the call to serve those in need. By volunteering their time, energy or resources to helping others, adults and youngsters follow Christ's message of love and service in thought and deed." Therefore, I, George W. Bush, Governor of Texas, do hereby proclaim June 10, 2000, Jesus Day in Texas and urge the appropriate recognition whereof, In official recognition whereof, I hereby affix my signature this 17th day of April, 2000. "Jesus Day 2000" Proclamation

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Originally posted by Krypton Tell me you're not serious . . .George Bush for one. . .

which is qualitatively different to

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I find the anti-christ prophecy very compelling at this juncture. . . quote: Daniel 9 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." I find it horrifying that according to this prophecy, whether you believe it or not, inplies that the man who bring peace to the Middle East is the so-called "anti-christ". . .

how exactly?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so, is this thread about israel's WMDs or some conspiracy concerning the NWO and their christian backers and what krypton thinks the bible has to say about the whole thing?

Dude, you just concentrate on bashing religion. This thread's supposed to be about Israeli WMDs, and the hypocrisy of trying to make Iran stop it's own program. There is a religious component to all of this regardless of what you think. How about adding something to the topic at hand. Instead of bashing me and religion. . .

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN which is qualitatively different to how exactly?

What's your point? Q wanted to know who was an evengelical christian in the white house. Again, just more concentrated religion bashing...

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Originally posted by Krypton Dude, you just concentrate on bashing religion. This thread's supposed to be about Israeli WMDs, and the hypocrisy of trying to make Iran stop it's own program. There is a religious component to all of this regardless of what you think.

why is it hypocrisy to oppose iran's nuclear program? last time i checked, two wrongs dont make a right. the proliferation of nuclear weapons is a serious business and just because some states have them does not, a priori, give all states the right to have them as well. global politics isnt about equality, i hate to tell you. how many nations have veto powers on the UN security council?

saying iran should have nuclear weapons because israel does is just awful logic. how on earth will we EVER disarm the world if we're constantly allowing more and more countries to develop WMD? its ludicious to argue that iran has any inherent "right" to atomic weapons.

at least we know israel can be trusted with such weapons, by virtue of not having used them or provided nuclear technology to others (that i know of).

of course there is a "religious component" in regards to nuclear weapons, but its more related to the jihadists and their propensity for supporting martyrdom and the end of days in israel than some influence of the christian right in america (which does exist obviously but its not all-powerful like you seem to think), it certianly isnt enough to explain the nature of the WORLD's support and acceptance of the israeli state.

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Originally posted by Krypton How about adding something to the topic at hand. Instead of bashing me and religion. . .

because i am/was honestly confused about what your point was. i havent watched the video yet so there's less to say.

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Originally posted by Krypton George Bush for one. . .

for one, Bushitler is not Evangelical. he's a Christian, born again, yes. recieves support from Evangelicals, and was ELECTED in a Christian society, but he's not Evangelical.

small thinkers tend to lump things into a convenient pile when someone upholds Christian values.

when i think Evangelical i think of people who go out of their way to convert others.

your using it as a general term is fairly inaccurate, but whatever. it only leads one to believe youre wading in the shallow end of the intellectual pool again.

carry on. i'm not dragging this thread into the weeds

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Originally posted by Q5echo for one, Bushitler is not Evangelical. he's a Christian, born again, yes. recieves support from Evangelicals, and was ELECTED in a Christian society, but he's not Evangelical. small thinkers tend to lump things into a convenient pile when someone upholds Christian values. when i think Evangelical i think of people who go out of their way to convert others. your using it as a general term is fairly inaccurate, but whatever. it only leads one to believe youre wading in the shallow end of the intellectual pool again. carry on. i'm not dragging this thread into the weeds

Oh excuse me. Fundamentalist Christian is a better description. WTF is your point? Are you denying that a fundamentalist christian leads the most the powerful nation on earth?

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