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holy crosswind batman!

planes should not even try to land with that kind of wind

aftermath?

wind speeds were around 100mph

damn good pilot though

Awesome.

On a slightly-related note, I'm currently consuming Batman fruit snacks. They're exquisite.

shiiiiit.. that was pretty close lol..

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Originally posted by chucho planes should not even try to land with that kind of wind

yeah, just leave those ****** pilots up in the air where they belong!

Oh he got unlucky Blast of wind just near the end.

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Originally posted by chucho aftermath?

the plane landed fine

Saw this on CNN last night...almost shit myself.

Superb airmanship!

I was on a flight like that flying into Cleveland people were screaming and shit was flying from the overhead compartments. I thought it was awesome i knew we wernt going to crash pilots are trained for this shit. People were clapping once we landed.

damn, u can see it getting pushed really hard when the vid starts way before its even close to the runway. I'm really surprised they even tried to land in conditions like that.

this is why you get a weather report BEFORE you land. what that pilot did was extremely risky

Wtf?!

It looks like the plane stops on air when it approaches the landing strip, has a "weeeeeeeell... lets see.. lets ponder for a while whether it's a good idea to land or not..." moment, then finally decides to continue in the air.

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Originally posted by tubularbills this is why you get a weather report BEFORE you land. what that pilot did was extremely risky

Weather reports are a part of all flightplans. The jet was coming in on final in what's called crab-angle, where the pilot points the aircraft along a vector that compensates for the cross-wind and strightens out just before touchdown...which is when the gust drops his leeward wing. Technically, it is the responsibility of the air traffic control to determine if it's too risky to land at that aerodrome, then the decision is left to the pilot. Who says they had fuel enough to divert? They could have been sitting in circuit for a long time. If there was a guy filming it, there were obviously other jets coming down safely before him. Sheer happenstance.

All this pilot did was save a shitload of lives and bitch-slap mother nature.

Wow, that was pretty scary to watch. It seems unbelievable that the pilot would even try to land with that wind - better to land at another airport than kill everyone, to be honest.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Weather reports are a part of all flightplans. The jet was coming in on final in what's called crab-angle, where the pilot points the aircraft along a vector that compensates for the cross-wind and strightens out just before touchdown...which is when the gust drops his leeward wing. Technically, it is the responsibility of the air traffic control to determine if it's too risky to land at that aerodrome, then the decision is left to the pilot. Who says they had fuel enough to divert? They could have been sitting in circuit for a long time. If there was a guy filming it, there were obviously other jets coming down safely before him. Sheer happenstance. All this pilot did was save a shitload of lives and bitch-slap mother nature.

yet, his second landing (coming from the OTHER direction) was no problem. aside from other air traffic, he should have landed that way to begin with...

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Originally posted by tubularbills yet, his second landing (coming from the OTHER direction) was no problem. aside from other air traffic, he should have landed that way to begin with...

You should totally write a complaint to the airline

Pilot has skillz.

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Originally posted by PoisonJam19 Pilot got lucky.

fixed, lol

holy shit, i fly back to australia this friday...i really didnt need to see that vid.

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Originally posted by tubularbills yet, his second landing (coming from the OTHER direction) was no problem. aside from other air traffic, he should have landed that way to begin with...

Crosswind is crosswind, be it from the left or from the right...makes no difference. Ideally you take off and land into the wind, to maximize airflow & lift at lower speeds. Most likely, his second attempt was successful because he didn't get the gust he did the first time.

Again, ATC determines the direction of the pattern, not the pilot.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Crosswind is crosswind, be it from the left or from the right...makes no difference. Ideally you take off and land into the wind, to maximize airflow & lift at lower speeds. Most likely, his second attempt was successful because he didn't get the gust he did the first time. Again, ATC determines the direction of the pattern, not the pilot.

i understand that. but what i'm saying is that why did he experience this when trying to land the first time, but not coming the other direction? what, did he circle around long enough for the winds to shift? crosswinds are usually not an isolated event.

plus, the ATC (at least, all AF ones) get information about weather, including crosswind advisories. this is information that they should send to the pilot, and try to reroute him to a diff runway or diff path or something.

i'm not trying to put a blame on anyone, i just think that the pilot should have been informed about the event before he landed. and if he did know about it, shouldn't have tried to be a "badass" or whatever and think, "oh, i can land/fly in anything!" mentality. ffs, he's dealing w/ passengers' lives, not his ego

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Originally posted by tubularbills i understand that. but what i'm saying is that why did he experience this when trying to land the first time, but not coming the other direction? what, did he circle around long enough for the winds to shift? crosswinds are usually not an isolated event. plus, the ATC (at least, all AF ones) get information about weather, including crosswind advisories. this is information that they should send to the pilot, and try to reroute him to a diff runway or diff path or something. i'm not trying to put a blame on anyone, i just think that the pilot should have been informed about the event before he landed. and if he did know about it, shouldn't have tried to be a "badass" or whatever and think, "oh, i can land/fly in anything!" mentality. ffs, he's dealing w/ passengers' lives, not his ego

From what I am finding out - the FAA Flight Services / ATC get their information from NWS CWSU's (Central Weather Service Units) [at least here in AK]. The tower calls for a briefing on their terms - but then again I don't think this was the US so as I write this I have no idea.

He was coming in just fine with the crosswind, these jets are designed to handle it, I just think he got an unlucky gust the first time around that he didn't get the second time.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS He was coming in just fine with the crosswind, these jets are designed to handle it, I just think he got an unlucky gust the first time around that he didn't get the second time.

this makes more sense.

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Originally posted by tubularbills i understand that. but what i'm saying is that why did he experience this when trying to land the first time, but not coming the other direction? what, did he circle around long enough for the winds to shift? crosswinds are usually not an isolated event. plus, the ATC (at least, all AF ones) get information about weather, including crosswind advisories. this is information that they should send to the pilot, and try to reroute him to a diff runway or diff path or something. i'm not trying to put a blame on anyone, i just think that the pilot should have been informed about the event before he landed. and if he did know about it, shouldn't have tried to be a "badass" or whatever and think, "oh, i can land/fly in anything!" mentality. ffs, he's dealing w/ passengers' lives, not his ego

1. The winds may have been such that the first approach was such that there was a crosswind with a little bit of a tailwind. Landing the opposite direction the second time may have produced more of a headwind. Landing in a quartering tailwind (crosswind from behind) is more difficult than landing with a quartering headwind (crosswind from front). I am sure he didn't circle around long enough for the winds to die down. He just caught a really nasty gust the first time, and landed safely the next attempt. It's really not that big of a deal.

2. I have been flying for 9 years, jets for 5, as a captain for 2, and have never heard of a "crosswind advisory". Wind information is always known before an airliner begins an approach, the pilots receive the local field weather information usually when about 100 miles away. In windy situations like this, the tower controller will generally also give an updated wind check when the airplane is on short final. If the pilot determines it is too much of a crosswind for the aircraft or crew to handle, then they will divert to another airport if the destination airport does not have the runway configuration to allow a safe landing (runways lined up with the wind as opposed to a direct crosswind). ATC will not reroute an airline because they deem it too windy, this is the captain's decision to make. ATC will allow an aircraft to continue an approach into known windshear, it is the pilots decision to attempt the landing or not, ATC only has to give the pilots the windshear alerts.

3. It sounds a lot like you are trying to blame someone, as you sit here and monday morning quarterback a decision made by a highly trained and experienced flight crew. I am not surprised really, most aviation stories that make the news are completely sensationalized by the media and general public, and fingers pointed by people who know nothing about the facts of the incident.

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