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how to create a 'professional sound' with software

Heey all,
sometimes i try to make some trance with software..but is always sound like shit..dunno how to describe it..maybe 'empty' is a good word when i export something as wave/mp3 and listen to it in winamp, i notice that some frequencies are hardly in the song. so i guess im doing something wrong, but i dont know what
oh btw, im using reason
does anyone know of better software or how to get make it sound good? or is that just impossible with software?
thanks for help
peace

if some frequenties arent there.. u have 2 put ur track thru an equalizer when its still in reason..

if ur just starting out with making trance.. i can suggest u 1st try it with fruityloops.. its pretty good for learning..

grtz,

DJ Mantis

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when i export something as wave/mp3 and listen to it in winamp, i notice that some frequencies are hardly in the song. so i guess im doing something wrong, but i dont know what

Reducing wav to mp3 with 128Kb sometimes cutoffs frequencies which results a loss of quality.

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does anyone know of better software or how to get make it sound good? or is that just impossible with software?

Some people use frutiy loops, some Reason, try both and decide.
THIS SOUND WAS MADE WITH SOFTWARE !!!

If you want to learn how to get phater sounds come HERE

Trancevision

w00t! who made that `this was made with software` thing!!??
if u have an preset or summin.. cud u plz send?
thnx,

DJ Mantis

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if u have an preset or summin.. cud u plz send?

I made this sound with Reason. I think about posting some of my sounds
at my post Exploration of sounds.
I hope that more people will deliver quality samples and presets like Cyrus 2k.

Trancevision

To make your synth sound bigger use a good chorus plugin or a good reverb and yes you can make a song sound as good as a commercial cd with software, it's all about your skills, learn to use your software properly. Although you got to use some good software.

i tried fruity loops before, but i think i like reason better..

and Trancevision could you pls repost that link? it isnt working anymore.
and omg this http://www.samplecity.net/forum/att...ttachmentid=509 sounds wicked... is this really made with software??

Morbid, are there plugins for reason? i used to have vsti plugins fot cubase but i didnt understand a thing of it

well i guess there's a lot to learn..anyone have a reason manual for me?


oh wait ive got one more question (for now then heheh) how can i import wavefiles into reason? is that possible??

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Originally posted by John oh wait ive got one more question (for now then heheh) how can i import wavefiles into reason? is that possible??

Insert it to NN-19... only really good for singleshots and stuff like that because it won't detect the BPM - therefore if you put a loop there you'd have to know its exact BPM so you can make it fit to the tune.

Alternatively you can use ReCycle to make your loops to REX files - then the BPM will be detected...

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is this really made with software??

Definetively yes.

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and Trancevision could you pls repost that link?

The link is working.

Trancevision

I feel like I have to reply to this post.

John, I agree with you completely -- if you use FruityLoops or some other software for writing music, you won't get very professional results. Simply put, these programs are toys. And even if you have the skills, using the software exclusively is a bad idea. I have yet to hear of any artist who got famous by writing tracks in FruityLoops, for example.

The way I look at it, music has to come from an instrument. This is a pretty traditional point of view, but it has withheld the test of time, and it's the one that works. If you want to have synths that are rich and "full," as opposed to some "thin-wire" crap; if you want to have professional and "warm" drums, as opposed to a crappy snare that sounds more like a kick; and if you actually want to achieve good results, you must go for hardware: keyboards and synths.

It will even be easier to use keyboards, I think. For example, if you want to get a nifty "rolling" bass effect, or a cascade build-up, or a complex arpeggio, there are buttons for that on the instrument that will get you there FASTER than a computer program. Often a computer program is severely limited, badly structured, and has bugs. What would you want to deal with this shit? So even experimenting is easier, and more fun, on a real-life keyboard!

In summary, I don't think FruityLoops or any other program has many redeeming values. And if you do decide to use one of those, make sure you're not relying exclusively on it! The primary source of music should come from the instrument; stuff like fx can be added on later. That's my opinion.

well.. i wanna add summin 2 that..

trancemaster uk (also here on TA) has an friend who is signed.. and he uses fruityloops... so.. i dont think that it isnt impossible..

I suggest you to use cubase or nuendo. It has this thing called rewire so that you can see you reason tracks appear in Cubase or nuendo and then you can add vst effects to it. Reason doesn't support any plugins, pretty shitty, but through rewire you can use reason like a plugin for cubase or nuendo and assign any effect to it

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Originally posted by Eugene I feel like I have to reply to this post. John, I agree with you completely -- if you use FruityLoops or some other software for writing music, you won't get very professional results. Simply put, these programs are toys. And even if you have the skills, using the software exclusively is a bad idea. I have yet to hear of any artist who got famous by writing tracks in FruityLoops, for example. The way I look at it, music has to come from an instrument. This is a pretty traditional point of view, but it has withheld the test of time, and it's the one that works. If you want to have synths that are rich and "full," as opposed to some "thin-wire" crap; if you want to have professional and "warm" drums, as opposed to a crappy snare that sounds more like a kick; and if you actually want to achieve good results, you must go for hardware: keyboards and synths. It will even be easier to use keyboards, I think. For example, if you want to get a nifty "rolling" bass effect, or a cascade build-up, or a complex arpeggio, there are buttons for that on the instrument that will get you there FASTER than a computer program. Often a computer program is severely limited, badly structured, and has bugs. What would you want to deal with this shit? So even experimenting is easier, and more fun, on a real-life keyboard! In summary, I don't think FruityLoops or any other program has many redeeming values. And if you do decide to use one of those, make sure you're not relying exclusively on it! The primary source of music should come from the instrument; stuff like fx can be added on later. That's my opinion.

Umm..... you're completely wrong. If you don't want to get flamed, try and learn about something before you post such brilliant insights.

Have you ever tried producing? Just because you got some cracked copy of fruity and all your stuff sucks doesn't mean you have to criticize it and blame your bad music on the fact that "you don't have hardware."

Software is profesional gear. Any studio that does not have a computer in it is severely severely lacking. Pro tools is software... what about sound forge? wave lab? Some software plugins (for example, pro tools TDM plugins) will kill any hardware equivalent... For example, take reverb. Its a big mathematical model of sound waves bouncing all over the place. You think that because a reverb unit is sitting in a rack, it's better than the same thing running off a dsp? No, the sound isn't actually bouncing around inside the hardware box, it's doing the exact same processing that the computer is doing with the waveform.

I hope I don't have to remind you that synths make waveforms, whether they're hardware or software. Virtual hardware synths make waves just like software synths... they're 1's and 0's. And analogue synths do the same thing, only the sound is originally a bunch or rarefactions and compressions before they (inevitably) end up as a bunch of 1's and 0's... unless you're recording straight to tape and aren't using a real sequencer like cubase or la or dp or pt? because no studios have those sequencers. Yeah, they're software... they must suck.

Michael Russo,

First of all I was expressing my own opinion. I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional. For instance the first thing I note, always, is the amateurish drum and bass. Either the snare is too harsh, or the bass is slightly off, or something else is wrong.

If you use FruityLoops you may very well have the skills and knowledge required, and I'm not insulting you in any way, but the truth is that even with those skills it's hard to get a professional sound, and there's a steep learning curve. In FruityLoops, in order to make the first step and get a nice-sounding synth, you have to dig through hundreds of panels and settings.

Yes, you're correct about waveforms... but almost no one uses any samples or synths that FruityLoops provides, because they're extremely shitty. Most people who use FruityLoops input the sounds from an external source, and use the software for sequencing. Am I wrong?

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Originally posted by Eugene I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional.

thats cuz were all learning

Okay, before this turns into yet another flame war, let me put some perspective on both sides of the issue.

I've got keyboards, drum machines, guitar pedals and other gear from three different decades. Recently, I've been working primarily in Fruityloops, 'cause it's so central and convenient. I've also done tracks with Cakewalk, Acid, Making Waves, HammerHead, Rebirth and a bunch of little homegrown apps from SMM and such.

This little *ahem* discussion prompted me to compare tracks that were done with different methods. There is certainly a difference even in just the sound quality alone. Looking at Fruityloops for a second, I can say from working with it that it does have a thinner, drier sound even when putting it through its full paces. Don't forget, Fruityloops is all about generators (and effects which I'll get to), including the sampler tracks. In other words, it's closer to synth than to digital multitrack. Once we're talking synths, we're talking quality of sound sources.

Let's take your plain old sawtooth. My 1979 analog synth makes a funky, fat saw. My 1987 synth makes a warm, contained saw. My 1990 Yamaha does a thin, somewhat muddy saw like every other early-90's sound. And so on.

Then you look at different companies' filters which all sound different, you look at different reverbs, compressors, and so on and you can see how the pros get their wide, sweet, 3-dimentional sound. It's not mastering EQ. It's the relationships between all the different manufacturers' amp circuits and dark little delays and bright digital flangers and so on.

That being said, I totally disagree with anything being "just a toy". Everything and anything is a resource to an inspired imagination. From there, having a greater variety of gear just "increases the resolution" of your completed ideas. But if all you've got is Fruityloops, then squeeze the crap out of Fruityloops to get the best sound you can. The effort will show through.

I have to say that at least I like Fruity!!! I like those sounds that comes out of it (I have heard many almost professional sounds made only wiht fruity). And even basses made with Fruity can be quite bumbing.

Many of us don't really have money to buy hardware synths or other "great" stuff... So softwares are the thing we use (easy to use and quite often FREE).

Yes, U get phat sounds out of hardwares, but U can get almost same sounds out of softwares also

My boyfriend has Virus synth and RM1 sequencer and I am free to use those hardwares when ever I feel to... But I just don't like them... I got all I need in Fruity (at least for now)

Fruity is easy for beginner. Easy to learn the basics. And what then when U have learnd to create sounds with Fruity (or with some other software)? If U can get nice sounds even when U are just beginner, think what U get when U are something else than just beginner

So, software can be real gift from gods. It just always depends who is using it!

Exactly. That's what's nice about Fruityloops, it lets you do basic things at the beginner level, and then once you really get into the gory guts of things, you can do stuff like THIS!!

taz, that fruity stuff sounds pretty good!!
i think im just have to spend lots of time with one (or 2) of those programs (f#ck my exams).. ohw 1 more question.. is it possible that someone sends me an .rns or .flp file so i can see how its done
? i can understand if noone can ofcours
thanks all for replying

peace

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Originally posted by Eugene I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional. For instance the first thing I note, always, is the amateurish drum and bass. Either the snare is too harsh, or the bass is slightly off, or something else is wrong.

Yes, it takes a very long time to learn how to produce... you think these same problems don't happen with people who use hardware? When you're starting out, you won't get pro quality no matter what you use.

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Originally posted by Eugene If you use FruityLoops you may very well have the skills and knowledge required, and I'm not insulting you in any way, but the truth is that even with those skills it's hard to get a professional sound, and there's a steep learning curve. In FruityLoops, in order to make the first step and get a nice-sounding synth, you have to dig through hundreds of panels and settings.

You can very well get a professional sound... and there aren't hundreds of panels in fruity. The bottom line is that if you put shit in you get shit out... that's why people criticize fruity... not because it isn't good, but because many of the people who use it aren't the greatest producers (myself included).

The fact is that ppl who cant use Fruity say its crap, and those that can - LOVE IT!

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how to create a 'professional sound' with software?

It�s simple...

Just do it!

Taz, again GREAT sound!!! WoW!! Ummhh... I hope there will be flp-file from that awesome loop

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I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional.

Before anything else, I'm awaiting my critique.

how to create a 'professional sound' with hardware?

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