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Will you oppose an holocaust on Israel right now?

Now the Germans must have some reason to kill all jews at that time maybe because of jew's selfishness and greed and see beyong themselves.. or maybe perhaps germans were just evil..

My question is if there was a holocaust like scenario right now in Israel, will you really oppose it? Considering the fact that the misery jews are forcing on people of Palestine?

Wow. This is a bit extreme.

I don't think any of the regions issues will ever be solved by more violence, only less. Therefore I couldn't support any kind of aggression from either side.

All sides (American and British included) have more than enough blood on their hands after 50+ years of conflict.

Conflict and war (especially in the name of religion or "We were here first") will ultimately be the undoing of human kind. It's only a matter of time. I give us 150 years +/- 20 before things are fully fucked.

Wow. Dont you think Israel's actions are extreme?

They have made Palestine a jail.

I agree, but at the same time, violence begets more violence. It has to stop sometime...both sides need to be brave enough sto say - no, fuck this, we're done. Enough.

Will this happen? Fuck no.

Sure, the Israelis have come down super hard on Palestine. Is it illegal? Sure, depends who you ask though. Try imposing sanctions on them though via the impotent UN courtesy of the US veto.

I don't agree with the rocket attacks, but given my non-affiliated stance to either side in the conflict, I have no personal way to put myself in anyone's shoes. If I were in Gaza, sure as shit I would be pissed and fight back. If I was in Sderot, sure as shit I would be pissed and demand action.

Doesn't solve anything though. Just wastes more lives.

ridiculous, next question please!

I typically oppose genocide in all its forms, regardless of who is targeted or who it is carried out by.

But I dunno, that's just me.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I typically oppose genocide in all its forms, regardless of who is targeted or who it is carried out by. But I dunno, that's just me.

You mean you are opposed to dictionary defination of WW2 genocide in all its forms, right?

You are aware that Israel is commiting a genocide in Palestine right now, right? Or are you blind?

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Originally posted by rewind_plz Now the Germans must have some reason to kill all jews at that time maybe because of jew's selfishness and greed and see beyong themselves..

yeah b/c thats a perfect reason to systematically gas millions of innocent men, women and children FFS dude.

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or maybe perhaps germans were just evil..

WOW! to have any doubt says more about you than you probably want to know.

did you know what they did to Communists?

no genius get one thing straight. your mentality and zero appreciation for historical fact is the reason the world is as effed up as it seems. nothing else even comes close. not Bush, Zionists, Bin Laden, transfats, NOTHING!.

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Originally posted by Q5echo yeah b/c thats a perfect reason to systematically gas millions of innocent men, women and children FFS dude.

I dont know, if this million number of man support one men who will starve and kill 10 million man, women and children in other place.. thans its ok to kill this lot of million man and his leader and prevent further breeding I guess.

How about no more holocaust's ever, and leave it there......

there will be no more holocausts. Genocide doesn't equal a holocaust. A genocide can occur in several ways. But yeah Palastine is suffering a genocide that can be compared to what the Americans did to the native americans. Which is a good thing who was prosecuted for killing so many native americans? In fact now you have americans saying hey it was war! or hey they were dangerous! same thing they did to Mexico's territory they immigrated illegally establishing settlements than they would kick out the mexicans on their own territory. So i wouldn't expect the US or americans would be bothered by the slow death of Palestinians.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru Which is a good thing who was prosecuted for killing so many native americans? In fact now you have americans saying hey it was war! or hey they were dangerous!

oh you mean like what the Spanish and Portuguese did to Native Americans?

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Originally posted by Q5echo oh you mean like what the Spanish and Portuguese did to Native Americans?

Colonialism is a bitch...

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Originally posted by Krypton Colonialism is a bitch...

...and for the most part unavoidable

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Originally posted by Q5echo ...and for the most part unavoidable

If you're a spineless **** yes...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z If you're a spineless **** yes...

That made absolutely no sense what so ever. We had no idea what was in America when we settled and the British, having already started colonies on various other places in the world knew a thing or two on how to start them. Once we had established colonies we had no choice but to push inwards into the U.S. The problem came about when the ideology of our country conflicted with that of the Native Americans. Weather or not they were hostile towards us to start off with was besides the point, we needed the land, we had an established way of controlling things that was threated by the Native Americans. WE then put them on reservations some wouldn't do it so we attacked them, we won.. THE END. It was not a war against races it was a war against life styles, ours just happened to be more popular. So technically yes colonialism was unavoidable and, I don't see how that makes you a spineless ****.

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Originally posted by DJ UD That made absolutely no sense what so ever. We had no idea what was in America when we settled and the British, having already started colonies on various other places in the world knew a thing or two on how to start them. Once we had established colonies we had no choice but to push inwards into the U.S. The problem came about when the ideology of our country conflicted with that of the Native Americans. Weather or not they were hostile towards us to start off with was besides the point, we needed the land, we had an established way of controlling things that was threated by the Native Americans. WE then put them on reservations some wouldn't do it so we attacked them, we won.. THE END. It was not a war against races it was a war against life styles, ours just happened to be more popular. So technically yes colonialism was unavoidable and, I don't see how that makes you a spineless ****.

shaolin lives in a world that doesn't exist. one where everyone gets along and people always do the right things. It's a noble place, but one solely in shaolin's head.

Let's say it's safe to assume you would never consider suffering the same experience as having any justification whatsoever.

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Originally posted by DJ UD That made absolutely no sense what so ever. We had no idea what was in America when we settled and the British, having already started colonies on various other places in the world knew a thing or two on how to start them. Once we had established colonies we had no choice but to push inwards into the U.S. The problem came about when the ideology of our country conflicted with that of the Native Americans. Weather or not they were hostile towards us to start off with was besides the point, we needed the land, we had an established way of controlling things that was threated by the Native Americans. WE then put them on reservations some wouldn't do it so we attacked them, we won.. THE END. It was not a war against races it was a war against life styles, ours just happened to be more popular. So technically yes colonialism was unavoidable and, I don't see how that makes you a spineless ****.

^^^

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Originally posted by DJ UD That made absolutely no sense what so ever.

...and it onlt makes sense if the assumption is that:

1. wants / greed (with simloutaneous utter disregard for the other) = need
   
   
2. ...and that this entire framework and standard of evaluation is:
   
   
   
   • immutable
     
   • justified
     

• a lack of principles == uncivlized
  
• the prior in comination with genocidal means for an cumaltive acts of theft == savagery
  
• from the previous two it follows that one has no courage, ethical sense of behaviour, honor, or dignity
  

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Originally posted by DJ UD WE then put them on reservations some wouldn't do it so we attacked them, we won.. THE END. It was not a war against races it was a war against life styles, ours just happened to be more popular.

it wasn't that it was More Popular. What are you, in fucking high school??

it was manifest destiny

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Originally posted by LazFX

Quoted for sheer awesomeness. Well played, Laz!!!

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Originally posted by LazFX it wasn't that it was More Popular. What are you, in fucking high school??

LOL!

The question is ludicrous at best.
The mere suggestion smacks of it being rhetorical.

The Palestinians have done nothing in the way of resolution for themselves - even when it's practically handed to them.
The latest breakdown in talks is evidence enough.
It's a sad situation for sure, but the 'Palestinians' need to get a hold on their own rank and file rather than shrugging it off and posing for the photo-op to garner sympathy every time Israel reacts to a bombing/rocketing.
When will they learn that they need to be at the negotiation table and stay there?

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Originally posted by LazFX it wasn't that it was More Popular. What are you, in fucking high school?? it was manifest destiny

haha...i agree, nice post.

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Originally posted by rewind_plz You mean you are opposed to dictionary defination of WW2 genocide in all its forms, right? You are aware that Israel is commiting a genocide in Palestine right now, right? Or are you blind?

No, I mean I'm opposed to genocide in all it's forms, as I said in the first post. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.

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Originally posted by LazFX it wasn't that it was More Popular. What are you, in fucking high school?? it was manifest destiny

True it was a manifest destiny. But it was more popular, all established civilizations at that time had the same goal as to expand (i.e. spain, france, germany, russia, england). It was only was only pertinent that we expand towards the Pacific becuase 1. we had to prove ourselves to the rest of the world as a new nation, and 2. we had settlers already moving out west before it became a manifest destiny. Since the Spanish had already pretty much taken the Pacific seaboard france had somewhat occupied the in between. Of course we went in with the idea of making the indans join our civilization one way of another we never went in their just to kill them all and get them out the way.

Tuveson quote, p. 91.

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Manifest Destiny was always a general notion rather than a specific policy. The term combined a belief in expansionism with other popular ideas of the era

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov No, I mean I'm opposed to genocide in all it's forms, as I said in the first post. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.

Are you opposed to Israeli occupation in Palestine?

You do realise thats its not the dictionary defination of 'genocide' your were taught in your school in history lessons... but all its feature and charectics match to what is define as 'Genocide'. Israel is commiting a genocide in Palestine.. its not terrorism.. its just plain full scale mass genocide of mass civilians in Palestine.

You really need a school teacher to come and tell you that Israel is commiting genocide in Palestine.. for you to belive it.. isnt it? Well lets hope your great grand-children will be told/taught that, so that they start seeing it.

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