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Very Unusual Cueing Method - Video

Saw these vids posted in the music discussion forum, thought I'd bring them here.

Does anyone here cue like this? I understand what he's doing, but I don't understand why - it's like making it harder for yourself.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILWNJSpEQgM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx3m...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCS...feature=related

I watched the first video and a little bit of the second, I don't get what you're talking about... please explain.

Yeah, I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean as well. Please explain, or atleast tell us what point we should be looking at in each video.

I think he means cueing the track between phrases, rather than starting it on the start of a phrase.

I do it occasionally (cue up the 3rd beat rather than the 1st for example) if I'm not sure exactly when a build-up's gonna drop or something, or if the track I'm mixing in has an awkward intro and it just works out better that way...

But the fact that he does it for every mix in this video makes me think the video's just out of sync with the audio

i must say though.. such masssive tunes

when i beatmatch i just rarely line up the phrases.

I thought that was weird too, but you're probably right that its just out of sync. Who knows though.

I never watch videos of DJ's mixing that are from such a good perspective. It was kinda fun/funny at the same time.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox I think he means cueing the track between phrases, rather than starting it on the start of a phrase. I do it occasionally (cue up the 3rd beat rather than the 1st for example) if I'm not sure exactly when a build-up's gonna drop or something, or if the track I'm mixing in has an awkward intro and it just works out better that way... But the fact that he does it for every mix in this video makes me think the video's just out of sync with the audio

So simple, yet I never thought of doing this Cheers Stu - I can now laugh in the face of dodgy intros!!

Anyone got an ID on the first tune in the first video? It's great.

That camera work is so funny, is there even a crowd behind the camera there? All you can see is the booth, it may as well be Paul's bedroom!

I think it was just a radiostation that had a big room where he set up a booth, i think if oyu notice that device he picked up on the corner of his turntable was probably a recording device and the dude behind him was the radio person

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Anyone got an ID on the first tune in the first video? It's great.

From the first video:
Marcos - Just For A Day (Marc Van Linden Remix)
Lingen And Moore - Passion (Robert Nickson Vocal)

I don't think it's out of sync, because if you watch the levels you can see it's in time perfectly with the beat.

And yes, Stu is correct, it is the cueing between phrases that puzzles me.......

Hahaha on the first video it looks like Paul is jacking off.

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Originally posted by jpisani From the first video: Marcos - Just For A Day (Marc Van Linden Remix) Lingen And Moore - Passion (Robert Nickson Vocal)

Thank you, my good man.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Anyone got an ID on the first tune in the first video? It's great. That camera work is so funny, is there even a crowd behind the camera there? All you can see is the booth, it may as well be Paul's bedroom!

Its clubnight show. They have guest DJs do mixes while they spam info on the bottom and right side -- no crowd either. The episode w/ Magda is hot

i didnt see the videos but sometimes i'll cue up the incoming track a couple of phases in sometimes depending on how the song was produced so that i cue up starting with whatever phase introduces a kick or heavier drums i can use to hear better through the headphones as some vinyls i have start off kind of light

Is anyone else getting a kick out of these Clubnight videos? I just watched the Magda and Sven Vath ones--they're great!

It's feels kinda silly watching them DJ in this ultra-cheesy room with some fat guy reading the newspaper in the background. I kinda picture it as what it might look like if Magda did bar mitzvahs.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox I think he means cueing the track between phrases, rather than starting it on the start of a phrase. I do it occasionally (cue up the 3rd beat rather than the 1st for example) if I'm not sure exactly when a build-up's gonna drop or something, or if the track I'm mixing in has an awkward intro and it just works out better that way... But the fact that he does it for every mix in this video makes me think the video's just out of sync with the audio

Have tried this before, but it felt awkward. It's hard not to let the track go off on the beginning of the phrase
But when I miss the start, I usually just pitch bend like crazy to get "in-phrase" again. Maybe not the best solution if really in a hurry but..

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Originally posted by Jeremy H Have tried this before, but it felt awkward. It's hard not to let the track go off on the beginning of the phrase But when I miss the start, I usually just pitch bend like crazy to get "in-phrase" again. Maybe not the best solution if really in a hurry but..

Depends on the situation.

The problem with cueing a couple of beats ahead is you need to know quite early whether you're going to have trouble hitting the beat, or you need to do it every single time - which I agree feels awkward, doesn't really work with me either so I try and save it for when I know I'm going to need it.

But then the problem with just pitchbending like crazy is it can sometimes be hard to know when you're back in time, or even when you've overshot (cos you may well be panicking a bit which throws your judgement off!) If you've missed by less than a beat, it's normally still the best (and easiest) way to recover though.

There are loads of other options as well, like dropping it at the start of the next bar if you miss the drop-in, then choose an appropriate time to give the track playing a loop for a bar and hope no one notices

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Depends on the situation. The problem with cueing a couple of beats ahead is you need to know quite early whether you're going to have trouble hitting the beat, or you need to do it every single time - which I agree feels awkward, doesn't really work with me either so I try and save it for when I know I'm going to need it. But then the problem with just pitchbending like crazy is it can sometimes be hard to know when you're back in time, or even when you've overshot (cos you may well be panicking a bit which throws your judgement off!) If you've missed by less than a beat, it's normally still the best (and easiest) way to recover though. There are loads of other options as well, like dropping it at the start of the next bar if you miss the drop-in, then choose an appropriate time to give the track playing a loop for a bar and hope no one notices

maybe pvd always cues like that because of dodgy intros or not being entirely sure when the beat comes back? if you can get used to cueing like that i would think it'd be an advantage. sure other people would wonder how the fuck you are cueing etc. but you should use whatever works for you.
i didn't watch the videos closely though, because i can't be bothered, but from what i gathered by reading the thread and thinking about it, it seems like maybe it's actually a wise way to cue.
also he seems to be wearing his headphones the wrong way (left side on right ear and vice versa), so maybe he's just not that bright.

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Originally posted by skip maybe he's just not that bright.

Haha!

Tbh most people I see play have their headphones on the wrong way round - probably cos Pioneer mixers have the headphone socket on the left hand side and most headphones have the cable coming out of the right hand cup.

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