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Just got the Pioneer CDJ100S

I just got two CDJ100's to add to my setup. I did some mixing on it and im a little disappointed. The CDJ's pitch is not accurate enough. Why would pioneer release a CD player with 0.1% accuracy. To me, thats crap. I have to keep correcting the songs pitch when im mixing in because the pitch control is not accurate enough. By using these, i feel like a newbie not being able to mix. With my technics, i usually just match the track's pitch and mix in the track with my headphones resting on my neck because i can trust that the pitch is fine.

STUPID pioneer 100 cd players.

sorry to all those people who like pioneer 100s, but i think any good cd player or turntable should have good pitch control, since its the most essential thing. Effects and master tempo are nice, but unnecessary.

Sorry to hear that you're disappointed by them.


Do you know what the pitch precision is on other CD players? Such as Denon or American DJ?

If you match them up perfectly 0.1 is fine... sometimes you may have to move it an extra 0.1 up or down for a second and then put it back where it was.

Have you mixed with cd players before? Even if you're amazing at beatmatching, you still have to get a feel for the slight differences between turntables and cd's... that's why you aren't confident.

I have been mixing with CDJ-100's forthe last two years and I've never had a problem with them. You may have to adjust your mixing style slightly by keeping the tracks beatmatched during the whole transition, but you shouldn't have a problem with that if you can beatmatch on vinyl. Just figure out if the cue track is slightly faster or slower and how long it takes to get off-beat. Most of my tracks are fine for the 30-60 seconds that I transition for. And it's pretty easy to correct it live.

This is actually my first time mixing with cd players.

El Zapo - i think most other cd players are about the same accurracy as the CDJ100s. Although, the pioneer 3000 cd player and 1000 are more accurate.

So when mixing with cd players, its better to have the headphones on during the mix??

You just need to get used to the different feel of cd players...

I started with cdj100's and then got two new m3d's later. It took me a while to get used to the technics... my mixing was bad at first, even though I was really good on my pioneers. The problem was that I was so used to the cd players' pitch control... cd's change speed quicker than any turntable, and they don't have the same sensitivity. Just give it some more practice... really listen, don't just move the pitch instinctively like you would with your tables. And just to reiterate, so you don't think you've made a bad purchase: 0.1 percent is enough... just practice with the cd's and you'll get the hang of it.

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Originally posted by El~ZaPo Sorry to hear that you're disappointed by them. Do you know what the pitch precision is on other CD players? Such as Denon or American DJ?

Ive got an American DJ PRO-DJ2 deck and its sweet as heck ..umm......it splits every second into 75 frames....thats how accurate it is ........it does the job great

sometimes i scare myself cuz its easier to match on it then my techz

listen
if u dont like them
ill gladly buy them from yah

Dmatrox, no reason to get angry
These players are great, the reason that you have to correct the pitch sometimes is becuase if you raise it by 0.1%, and its on the limit, it may bounce forward to 0.2% or back to 0.0%.
Believe me I have them and I have dealt with this many times, you just need to place it in a way that it's in the middle and will not bounce back or forward.
As for the pitch, I too mix with my headphones resting on my neck, I hardly get pitch problems, dont worry you will get used to it.

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Originally posted by DJ LIQUID Ive got an American DJ PRO-DJ2 deck and its sweet as heck ..umm......it splits every second into 75 frames....thats how accurate it is ........it does the job great sometimes i scare myself cuz its easier to match on it then my techz

I keep hearing good stuff about the Pro 2. I will keep these on my list of stuff to watch the prices for. They should be a nicer price drop compared to CDJ100s.

Do you have the one that has the effects on it? Or just the regular Pro 2? Cause if you have the effects I'd like to know how they are and if they are useful.

What else can you tell me about the Pro 2? In terms of sound quality, speed for starting a track, etc.

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Originally posted by DJ LIQUID Ive got an American DJ PRO-DJ2 deck and its sweet as heck ..umm......it splits every second into 75 frames....thats how accurate it is ........it does the job great

That's not what we're talking about, the pioneer splits every second into 75 frames as well... I'm pretty sure every cd player (not just dj ones) do that.

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Originally posted by El~ZaPo I keep hearing good stuff about the Pro 2. I will keep these on my list of stuff to watch the prices for. They should be a nicer price drop compared to CDJ100s. Do you have the one that has the effects on it? Or just the regular Pro 2? Cause if you have the effects I'd like to know how they are and if they are useful. What else can you tell me about the Pro 2? In terms of sound quality, speed for starting a track, etc.

Here's the lowdown on the deck i have>>Its the one without the effects (who needs that with a DJM600? )



� Seamless Loop � Fader "Q" Start* � 8x Oversampling 1 bit D/A Converter � Edit on the fly, Change � True Instant Start / Eliminates Dead Spaces � BOP Effect � Front load CD Tray � +/- 16% Pitch Bend � Interactive Jog Wheel for Pitch Bend or Frame Search � Selectable Pitch Control (+/-8%, (+/-12% or +/-16%) � Pitch Display � 30 Programmable Play Tracks � 4 Different Speed Scans � Direct track acess buttons � Frame Search � Large, Bright LCD Display � 3 in. / 8cm CD Singles Compatible � Auto Cue o Realtime Cue � 10 Programmable Cue Points � Instant Cue Point Recall � Digital Ouput � Relay Playback (Flip Flop) � 60 second transport protection (open tray closes after 60 sec.) � Reads CD Recordable (CDR) disks � Repeat 1, Repeat all � Single, continue � Sleep Mode � Silver, brushed aluminum face plate * Compatible with American DJ Q-Series mixers SPECIFICATIONS � Dimensions: 8.5"(W) x 4 5/8" (H) x 10.25" (D) / 217mm (W) x 119.2 mm (H) x 256.06mm (D) � Weight: 11 lbs. / 2.4 kg. � Power supply: 115/60Hz AC or 230V50Hz AC switchable � Power consumption: 25W � Sampling rate: 44.1 kHz at normal pitch � Over sampling rate: 8 times � D/A conversion: 16 bit � Frequency response: +/- 1.0dB 20Hz-20KHz, 0dB � Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.02% � Signal to noise ratio: 88 dB � Channel separation: 80 dB � Output level: 2.OV +/- 1dB � Load impedance: 47 kohm or more � Variable pitch: +/-16% or more � Search accuracy:1/75 sec. (1 subcode frame) � Memory: Last Settings

Yes I've read the specs... but I'm asking more for your opinion on them.

Do they feel responsive when you load in a new cd and also when you start from a cue point?
Can you compare them against any other CD players by other brands?

Thanks for your help.

I have the prodj 2fx and it friggen rox, I actually got it because pro sound and stage lighting had a sale on them and they were cheaper that the prodj 2. I would choose them over the cdj100's any day, it just seems like when you are using the cdj100's you overuse the effects. Its like crack, you use it once and you cant stop. but they only thing that the cdj100 has over the prodj 2fx would be the lack of a drawer, the drawer on the prodj 2 sux.

and if you are gonna say what about master tempo, well master tempo sux, it sounds like crap.

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Originally posted by El~ZaPo Yes I've read the specs... but I'm asking more for your opinion on them. Do they feel responsive when you load in a new cd and also when you start from a cue point? Can you compare them against any other CD players by other brands? Thanks for your help.

oh hehe i luv my pro-dj2

its nice and quick (instantaneous start)...i spin mainly on vinyl but it can hold its own against my techz

only other CD player i used was the Pioneer CDJ-1000's..and all i did was scratch on those

i dont regret my purchase of the American DJ deck...its great and you can do the stutter or seamless loop (thats always fun)

people are always like......."Oh...is this a remix?" hehe

I just got a Pioneer CMX-3000 and the pitch on it seems very accurate. Even still, it's going to take some getting used to because I'm so used to spinning vinyl. I thin that the CMX-3000 is a really nice unit but I don't really have anything to compare it against. When I was working in the clubs, none of them had dual CD players...just single deck units with no pitch control or efx.

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Originally posted by Johnny Eckhardt I just got a Pioneer CMX-3000 and the pitch on it seems very accurate. Even still, it's going to take some getting used to because I'm so used to spinning vinyl. I thin that the CMX-3000 is a really nice unit but I don't really have anything to compare it against. When I was working in the clubs, none of them had dual CD players...just single deck units with no pitch control or efx.

Thats really nice. I think those have about 0.02% accuracy. I saw those in the store, but were almost $2000, which is too much

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