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Using Phase/Flangers for space

Recently I have been experimenting on using phasers and things such as basslines to give them space in the mix, just been messing with settings really and seeing what sounds good, as phasers and flangers are not my strong point. Just wondering if anyone else does this and if so and tips or advice on phase/flanging?

As nice as phaser/flanger can sound on basslines, you have to be very careful with them on the low end of your track as they often mess it up. I usually keep the low frequencies pretty much untouched and dead center, and apply (stereo) effects like phaser, flanger, chorus, delay, reverb only on the higher frequencies of my bassline (starting at say maybe 200Hz). You can do this pretty well using send FX with a highpass filter and your effects afterwards on the send channel.

Sends are something I have no idea about any tips for using send in fruity loops?

I've literally never touched them at all.

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Originally posted by cybernetica As nice as phaser/flanger can sound on basslines, you have to be very careful with them on the low end of your track as they often mess it up. I usually keep the low frequencies pretty much untouched and dead center, and apply (stereo) effects like phaser, flanger, chorus, delay, reverb only on the higher frequencies of my bassline (starting at say maybe 200Hz). You can do this pretty well using send FX with a highpass filter and your effects afterwards on the send channel.

sounds like good advice, I'll have to try this.

I've been playing with flangers on my basslines for a while now, I like the way it colors the sound but like you said it can really mess things up on the lower end.

i use all efex avaliable, just make sure to put a compressor, maximizer after so the levels dont get wild, if/when u hit the resonance freq of the sound ur using the levels gonna be too loud and a compressor will fix that. also u should mono most info below 50-60-70hZ as it would sound weird in a club if not. thats what i think atleast.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Sends are something I have no idea about any tips for using send in fruity loops? I've literally never touched them at all.

You can also duplicate your channel and then use EQ to separate them. Cut the highs on you main and centred bass, and cut the lows on the one where you will be adding the FX.

This puts more of a strain on your system though so sends are often a good idea.

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Originally posted by Fledz You can also duplicate your channel and then use EQ to separate them.

yep, but then LFOs or other nuances of the synth won't be identical. personally, i would use a crossover filter and a pre-fx send, something like this:

instrument --> crossover (cutting freq > 200hz) --> master
|--> 100% send --> crossover (cutting freq < 200hz) --> flanger/whatever --> master

They will if all of them are on that exact channel. At least in Ableton they will

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Originally posted by Fledz They will if all of them are on that exact channel. At least in Ableton they will

if you have two instances of a synth, any non-tempo synced events will not be uniform between them. eg. non-tempo synced LFOs. this is important in wavetable synths or synths which attempt to sound more analog by having oscillator drift etc. obviously both instances won't drift in synchronisation, so you would get better results using a send off one instance. besides, whats the point in using double the cpu when using a send is no more difficult? doesn't make sense man!

Yes, phasers and choruses can give basses nice width and so on, but as stated above, make sure you're not treating the whole bass spectrum. Otherwise, if people are in clubs trying to dance to your track, they'll be like "where'd the bass go? Oh, here it comes again...oh man, that's too much bass...oh, wait...it went away again...let's go to another club..."

Ways to approach it would be to have two bass layers, either playing exactly the same thing or different things, and only process/widen the sound which has the low frequencies removed.

Or use a send channel, with an eq/filter placed after the phaser/chorus effect to remove the low frequencies. That way you can send some of the bass channel's signal into the phaser channel and it won't affect the low end.

Maybe Basslane could be useful for desired effect.

Very interesting!

Thanks mate!

No problem

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Originally posted by d_Verge Maybe Basslane could be useful for desired effect.

hate to be a ballbreaker, but phasing/flanging isn't a stereo effect, so basslane won't help at all. we need to seperate the effect from the low frequencies, so the only way to do this is to find a flanger/phaser with a crossover inside it, or manually split the range between two channels. basslane just monos anything below a crossover, so instead of having a stereo phase/flange, you'll have a mono phase/flange!

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Originally posted by echosystm hate to be a ballbreaker, but phasing/flanging isn't a stereo effect, so basslane won't help at all. we need to seperate the effect from the low frequencies, so the only way to do this is to find a flanger/phaser with a crossover inside it, or manually split the range between two channels. basslane just monos anything below a crossover, so instead of having a stereo phase/flange, you'll have a mono phase/flange!

Yeah, lol, didn't think of that! It seems the manual approach would be the most practical at the moment. Cheers

if this is a software flange or phaser I would reconsider. I was doing alot of mixes with a flange and phaser all the way through and at times it can sound cool but it loses its cool ness on recorded mixes over time. depends on where your ears are.

but something really cool is an autopan or a flanger on a djm-600 on drum rolls or something of that nature. the only time it is really sweet. like an animal is cool with these effects on the climatic points.

Hmmm, I think you may have missread the post a bit dude, I was refering to production, not DJ mixes.

There is nothing worse than over use of flanger or filters by DJs, you are correct there.

And if you are on about "lostit.com - animal" then fucking tune!

its an alright tune. good luck adding a flange to your tracks. wish more people did that. lets not forget a filter sweep. filter sweeps totally and completely own.

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