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Posted by dEsidEL on Apr-03-2008 13:31:

Read This! Air Canada to charge for customer service



you gotta love the Canadian telecom and transportation industries .. absolutely world class


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Air Canada to charge for customer service
Airline adds fee to aid customers when flights delayed or disrupted due to weather, traffic


April 03, 2008
Chris Sorensen
Business Reporter

It was bound to happen eventually: Air Canada now wants you to pay extra for better customer service.

In an era of continued cost-cutting, the country's largest airline yesterday rolled out a new service called "On My Way" that, for a fee, promises to help passengers cope with delays and cancellations beyond the airline's control, including bad weather or airport traffic.

"This is something that many airlines used to do in-house," said Rick Erickson, a Calgary-based airline consultant. "But since the advent of the low-cost carrier, everybody wants cheap fares."

Air Canada said passengers who opt to pay an additional $25 one-way on short-haul flights and an extra $35 one-way on long-haul routes within North America will receive "speedy" access to "specially-trained" customer service agents who will help rebook flights on Air Canada or other airlines, as well as pay for hotel stays and meals, if necessary.

Air Canada said the program, which applies to any flight cancelled within 48 hours of the scheduled departure, goes beyond the industry practice of assisting customers affected by schedule changes deemed to be the airline's fault, such as mechanical problems with aircraft, scheduling glitches or crew members failing to show up for flights.

But while Air Canada is touting the program as an industry-first, at least one observer said it was once common for big North American carriers to go out of their way to help inconvenienced or stranded customers � free.

Erickson said Air Canada's latest effort could prove popular given Canada's unpredictable winter weather, particularly at the country's largest airport in Toronto, where thousands of flights can be disrupted by a snowstorm.

However, Erickson cautioned that Air Canada will need to ensure customers who pay extra get their money's worth.

"When there's a disruption, everyone's going to be calling at the same time," he said. "And if you can't deliver on this, there will be real hell to pay as far as public relations go.

"People are going to have heightened expectations."


source:
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/409330


Posted by Knox on Apr-03-2008 13:37:

soon we'll be paying people to say hi to us.

"25 dollars to check in please....otherwise wait in this line over there....."


Posted by dEsidEL on Apr-03-2008 13:45:



gotta wonder if we'll be asked to pay extra for landing gear..


Posted by Knox on Apr-03-2008 14:15:

"Hello Passangers. This is your captain. I want to thank you for flying with Air Canada today. In a few short minutes we'll be starting our descent. Our cabin crew will be coming up the aisles collecting $5 from each passanger, should you want to land safely. Please note that this fee is not mandatory, as you have the option to jump from the plane before landing.

We hope you enjoyed your flight with Air Canada and hope you enjoy your stay or stop over in........"


Posted by Irishaddict on Apr-03-2008 14:23:

I read that article twice and I still don't know what the extra money would get me - free meals and stayovers at hotels? Isn't that now insurance? Which you have the option of getting anyways when you book the flight?

I laughed at the fact flights get cancelled because crew members don't show up. They should be paying out of their pockets for related expenses for the travelers of that flight staying grounded. I imagine no one would be skipping work then!


Posted by Jayx1 on Apr-03-2008 14:24:

i havnt flown air canada for years. They are acting more and more like a low cost airline yet are always at least 30-50% more than the competition.

Plus now you have to pay a crapload extra just to be able to collect aeroplan points.

Meh!!


Posted by Moral Hazard on Apr-03-2008 14:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Irishaddict
I read that article twice and I still don't know what the extra money would get me - free meals and stayovers at hotels?


No, the extra fee gets you access to some asswhipe intern student from a college travel agent program working a call centre somewhere who will add you to the list for the next available flight and then forward your call to a local hotel. So what you're really getting is not having to wait in a line to re-book your flight and/or looking in a phone book for the number to a hotel.

BTW, this has been something nearly all airlines did for free about as long as I can remember.


Posted by Knox on Apr-03-2008 14:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Irishaddict
I read that article twice and I still don't know what the extra money would get me - free meals and stayovers at hotels? Isn't that now insurance? Which you have the option of getting anyways when you book the flight?

I laughed at the fact flights get cancelled because crew members don't show up. They should be paying out of their pockets for related expenses for the travelers of that flight staying grounded. I imagine no one would be skipping work then!


True speak.

I worked in hotels for the longest time, right on the front line. Unforeseen circumstances happen... The guest gets upset... The hotel sucks it up. Discount from the room rental, hotel pays. Comp stay... Hotel Pays.

Hotel is Overbooked - - Guest gets free hotel stay, transportation to new hotel, one phone call, and return Comp back to their original hotel.

Customer Service.

Suck it up Air Canada.

Deal with it.


Posted by magikb on Apr-03-2008 15:13:

Wow, that is totally unbelievable. I don't fly Air Canada, nor will I.

I now also look at flights out of Buffalo or Detroit when thinking about traveling, only to avoid the additional $150 in taxes from Pearson.


Posted by INTRANCE on Apr-03-2008 17:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
i havnt flown air canada for years. They are acting more and more like a low cost airline yet are always at least 30-50% more than the competition.

Plus now you have to pay a crapload extra just to be able to collect aeroplan points.

Meh!!


Totally! Aircanada flights are ridiculously over priced, I have never flown with them and probably never will.


Posted by oldschool420 on Apr-03-2008 17:54:

I never understand comments about Air Canada being ridiculously over priced. I always get great deals on flights with Air Canada. I have always noticed they are cheaper or at least the same price compared to west jet to be honest. I've never had a problem with Air Canada, which is why it is pretty much the only airline I fly with.


Posted by Jayx1 on Apr-03-2008 19:06:

quote:
Originally posted by oldschool420
I never understand comments about Air Canada being ridiculously over priced. I always get great deals on flights with Air Canada. I have always noticed they are cheaper or at least the same price compared to west jet to be honest. I've never had a problem with Air Canada, which is why it is pretty much the only airline I fly with.


"same price" until they add in the hidden $150-$300 fuel surcharge that is


Posted by FunkyCrew on Apr-03-2008 19:27:

quote:
Originally posted by INTRANCE
Totally! Aircanada flights are ridiculously over priced, I have never flown with them and probably never will.


they so are
I book flights for my managers from time to time, and AC is always BY FAR the most expensive choice - while some airlines have tickets for $700 + or -, AC gives me way over a $1000
ridiculous.
AC has the worst service as well, never AGAIN am I flying home with them!


Posted by oldschool420 on Apr-03-2008 20:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
"same price" until they add in the hidden $150-$300 fuel surcharge that is


No, but thanks anyways.


Posted by Irishaddict on Apr-03-2008 20:26:

I've flown with Air Canada for the same price as other airlines before. It all depends on when you book.


Posted by VDub on Apr-03-2008 22:08:

AC has always been a better airline to fly in the way of comfort etc...

Fly AC and then Air Transat and you'll see the diff...

That's why they are more expensive than others...


Now...While I don't agree with this new charge because that kind of stuff has always been included, I can see their reasoning...

They've had to reduce prices to compete with all the cheepo companies which is why they're doing this new thing...

I really don't think a charter line would do any of that extra stuff....not even optional...and include it in the price of the ticket...

If you want to save money, then fly uncomfortably...

Or spend more and have a good flight with good food and legroom...


Posted by VDub on Apr-03-2008 22:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
"same price" until they add in the hidden $150-$300 fuel surcharge that is


Any surcharges at a particular airport are charged to all operators there...

So AC doesn't charge more than another line from the same airport....


Posted by matty on Apr-03-2008 22:28:

Actually this is nothing new. A lot of airlines (Austrian Air being one of the first) include this fee in the price of the ticket, they just don't mention it.


Posted by Jayx1 on Apr-04-2008 03:48:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Any surcharges at a particular airport are charged to all operators there...

So AC doesn't charge more than another line from the same airport....


fuel surcharge is indeed charged by air canada. You are confusing fuel surcharge with the navcan, airport inprovement fee, GST and security fees that also add up to around $150 on top of a ticket. Thats why an air canada ticket advertised at $300 ends up being over $600.


Posted by Jayx1 on Apr-04-2008 03:49:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
AC has always been a better airline to fly in the way of comfort etc...

Fly AC and then Air Transat and you'll see the diff...

That's why they are more expensive than others...


Now...While I don't agree with this new charge because that kind of stuff has always been included, I can see their reasoning...

They've had to reduce prices to compete with all the cheepo companies which is why they're doing this new thing...

I really don't think a charter line would do any of that extra stuff....not even optional...and include it in the price of the ticket...

If you want to save money, then fly uncomfortably...

Or spend more and have a good flight with good food and legroom...


Transat is a charter service. And yes they do suck. Westjet is the main competator for regularly scheduled flights and they are much better than air canada. Better seats, TV in every seat now and leather seats. I dont mind westjet at all. Also major flagship carriers from other countries have far superior service and charge the same or less than air canada for overseas flights.


Posted by VDub on Apr-04-2008 18:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Transat is a charter service. And yes they do suck. Westjet is the main competator for regularly scheduled flights and they are much better than air canada. Better seats, TV in every seat now and leather seats. I dont mind westjet at all. Also major flagship carriers from other countries have far superior service and charge the same or less than air canada for overseas flights.


Westjet is relatively new and ordered all of their planes in the new config...

AC is def changing that way but lots more aircraft take time...

And I researched prices for a flight to Van and back...

WestJet

Price Summary
Departing: Fri, Apr 4, 2008
Airfare / Guest
Seat Sale Fare $289.00 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $64.50 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $64.50 CAD
Nav-Ins $23.00 CAD
GST-HST $16.83 CAD
AIF $20.00 CAD
ATSC $4.67 CAD
Subtotal / Guest
$353.50 CAD

Returning: Sun, May 4, 2008
Airfare / Guest
Seat Sale Fare $199.00 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $54.75 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $54.75 CAD
Nav-Ins $23.00 CAD
GST-HST $12.08 CAD
AIF $15.00 CAD
ATSC $4.67 CAD
Subtotal / Guest $253.75 CAD
Total Cost $607.25 CAD

Air Canada...

Fare Summary
Passenger Type Adult
Flight 1 - Departing airfare (Tango) 199.00
Flight 2 - Returning airfare (Tango) 199.00
Navcan and Surcharges NAV 46.00
Taxes, Fees and Charges
Canada Airport Improvement Fee SQ 35.00
Canada Security Charge CA 9.33
Canada Goods and Services Tax (GST/HST #10009-2287) XG 24.42
Total airfare and taxes before options (per passenger) 512.75
Number Of Passengers 1
Grand Total - Canadian Dollars $512.75


I don't see any fuel surcharge of 150 bones buddy


Posted by Jayx1 on Apr-04-2008 18:38:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Westjet is relatively new and ordered all of their planes in the new config...

AC is def changing that way but lots more aircraft take time...


Im sure AC will charge for it.


Posted by harcourt on Apr-04-2008 18:38:

Jayx1 has a real hate on for AC. You do realize you're a minority traveler, the vacation traveler.


Posted by djeso on Apr-04-2008 18:55:

quote:
Originally posted by oldschool420
No, but thanks anyways.


Do you fly often, i just flew with Air Canada ... Horrible service ... definately not comperable to west jet lol


Posted by Jayx1 on Apr-04-2008 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Westjet is relatively new and ordered all of their planes in the new config...

AC is def changing that way but lots more aircraft take time...

And I researched prices for a flight to Van and back...

WestJet

Price Summary
Departing: Fri, Apr 4, 2008
Airfare / Guest
Seat Sale Fare $289.00 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $64.50 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $64.50 CAD
Nav-Ins $23.00 CAD
GST-HST $16.83 CAD
AIF $20.00 CAD
ATSC $4.67 CAD
Subtotal / Guest
$353.50 CAD

Returning: Sun, May 4, 2008
Airfare / Guest
Seat Sale Fare $199.00 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $54.75 CAD
Taxes, Fees & Surcharges /
Guest (details) $54.75 CAD
Nav-Ins $23.00 CAD
GST-HST $12.08 CAD
AIF $15.00 CAD
ATSC $4.67 CAD
Subtotal / Guest $253.75 CAD
Total Cost $607.25 CAD

Air Canada...



Fare Summary
Passenger Type Adult
Flight 1 - Departing airfare (Tango) 199.00
Flight 2 - Returning airfare (Tango) 199.00
Navcan and Surcharges NAV 46.00
Taxes, Fees and Charges
Canada Airport Improvement Fee SQ 35.00
Canada Security Charge CA 9.33
Canada Goods and Services Tax (GST/HST #10009-2287) XG 24.42
Total airfare and taxes before options (per passenger) 512.75
Number Of Passengers 1
Grand Total - Canadian Dollars $512.75


I don't see any fuel surcharge of 150 bones buddy


Heres a trip i recently priced out for london on Air Canada
Fare Summary
Passenger Type Adult
Base Fare 368.00
Fuel Surcharge YQ 224.00
Taxes, Fees and Charges
Canada Airport Improvement Fee SQ 20.00
Canada Security Charge CA 17.00
U.K. Passenger Service Charge UB 35.64
Canada Goods and Services Tax (GST/HST #10009-2287) XG 1.00
U.K. Air Passenger Duty GB 81.01
Total airfare and taxes before options (per passenger) 746.65

Number Of Passengers 1
Grand Total - Canadian Dollars $746.65 CAD

The fuel surcharge for flights within canada is buried into the base fare according to air canada's website. Note the fuel surcharge of $224 bones buddy

Also note that with this fare you do not earn any aeroplan miles.

I booked the same flight with United airlines for $480 including all taxes and 100% star alliance air miles.


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