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Question Regarding Stereo Enhancering

I use Fruity Stereo Enhancer as well as Multiband Stereo Imaging (Ozonoe) in most of my tracks.

It has been only recently that i started checking my tracks in mono, realizing that every sample that i use stereo enhancer on loses quality and sound weird. same goes with multiband stereo imaging on my master. (or on individual routed FX groups)

I generally use anything from -4 to +1 on my band 1 and band 2 and +1 to +4 on my band 3 and 4. I also add some delay on each band.

using these methods i get pretty good sounds but listening to them in mono gives a completely different result.

now my Questions:

1) I know there are ways to use Multiband Stereo Imaging on your Track without the lost of quality or sounds when you turn on mono. what is the proper way of doing this? is there a trick to this?

2) How are you suppose to use stereo enhancers on individual FX channels without loosing the sound after turning on mono?

Maybe when you play it in mono parts of the sterio signal are phasing each other out ...

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Originally posted by theartfulducker Maybe when you play it in mono parts of the sterio signal are phasing each other out ...

Yeah, how do you use the Fruity Stereo Enhancer? Do you use it to split the signal to both sides?

Don't use stereo enhancers on the whole mix. Try to only use it on things like pads and effect sounds that don't need clarity in a mix.

Yep, what Eldritch said. If used on one or two elements, such as a pad, it can really make the soundstage much bigger/ wider and sound really nice. But if used on too many elements the mix is likely to start sounding a bit washed out and indistinct - the listener won't be able to clearly place the elements.

Elements which are significantly stereo effected will sound different in mono. It's probably best not to make the stereo enhancement a vital part of one of the main sounds. If the main melody doesn't come through clearly in mono, that's something you'll either have to fix or decide that your song is intended exclusively for stereo listening.

There are different stereo enhancement effects available though and some will offer better mono compatibility. I haven't tried the Ozone one, but I have used/ do use different ones on different tracks and they sound fine in mono.

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Originally posted by derail Yep, what Eldritch said. If used on one or two elements, such as a pad, it can really make the soundstage much bigger/ wider and sound really nice. But if used on too many elements the mix is likely to start sounding a bit washed out and indistinct - the listener won't be able to clearly place the elements. Elements which are significantly stereo effected will sound different in mono. It's probably best not to make the stereo enhancement a vital part of one of the main sounds. If the main melody doesn't come through clearly in mono, that's something you'll either have to fix or decide that your song is intended exclusively for stereo listening. There are different stereo enhancement effects available though and some will offer better mono compatibility. I haven't tried the Ozone one, but I have used/ do use different ones on different tracks and they sound fine in mono.

thanks for the tips

cheers

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Originally posted by derail Yep, what Eldritch said. If used on one or two elements, such as a pad, it can really make the soundstage much bigger/ wider and sound really nice. But if used on too many elements the mix is likely to start sounding a bit washed out and indistinct - the listener won't be able to clearly place the elements. Elements which are significantly stereo effected will sound different in mono. It's probably best not to make the stereo enhancement a vital part of one of the main sounds. If the main melody doesn't come through clearly in mono, that's something you'll either have to fix or decide that your song is intended exclusively for stereo listening. There are different stereo enhancement effects available though and some will offer better mono compatibility. I haven't tried the Ozone one, but I have used/ do use different ones on different tracks and they sound fine in mono.

derail always clears things up nicely. listen to this guy he has great knowledge and advice !!!.. anyway, enough kissin' ass .

although he pretty much said it, i can and will give me (limited if you must) expirence on this topic.

the best way i have found to use stereo placing (imagery, "reason")
is basicly as saving it mostly as a tool for backgroung sounds and effects.
heres my reasoning : all main melodies and sounds should be pretty close to the center of the spectrum...why? well alot of stereos in clubs and even cars have a mono setting (so i'm told?. but if it's even a possibliity, you must have your song arranged for it).

So number one, when making songs that you can only really get the full enhancement of the sound spectrum is by listening through headphones or whatever (in stero) isn't good!!!. mostly if y need to do stero placing to make a song sound good, that probably meens you are trying to correcting freq issues by panning and stero placing, "bad idea!!!", yuor song should song good in mono, and just a bit better in stero.
now my technique for stero placement is saving it for almost "only" background sounds and FX.
that way all your main sounds should be sitting center (or very close to) for full boost no matter where you are in the club/car or whatever setting you are listening from.
so.. a good sounding mix (if all else is done righ,"mostly Eqing")it should already sound great on mono, and only better when applying stero:
so...anyway, when i use stero placement i like to use it on things like FX and background sounds, like i said, and for only one reason and that i think is this ; most background sounds and Fx are .. well exactly that "background" so really they should not be taking up any of the main melodies freq spectrum. this is tough some time because alot of background sounds "eg. acid and other kinda freq changing synths, cross over an span into other "shared" freq ranges.
so to help out with this (instead of going crazy trying to fit it all in by Eqing, which i think you should have already tried your best at.) i like to use stero placement on almost exclusively the outer sounds/rhythms, background effects/FX by placing them wider in the mix, so there kinda just left to ring out in the background adding presence while keeping the main melodies in the for-front
"most important part about it". like said before you want to try and keep from using it on main parts in the song because it can cause an inbalances in the mix and really make your lead sound alot weeker. "eg. if you split your main melody to far apart its will sound like its faint and in the distance, and even worse it could be un-even across the mix, while other sound take its place "clashing"

i have found it a tool to use to widen depths with sounds that share an even similar freq with out clashing and dragging the main synth down, by pulling the background sound out wider and away from the song, but still there's enough to add to the depth to the entire song. i hope i'm making sense still, it's kinda tough to explain something with the limited "music terms" i have

also another trick which i have actually argued open, (with no realy scientific backing or theory) is to keep the higher pithed sounds wider. this idea i picked up and made sense out of by hearing other opinions"that lower freqs should be kept to the middle of the freq spectrum" so to me it makes sense that the higher a freq of a sound the more it can be set wider in a mix, which i have tried and have been enjoying the results, leaving me with a better sounding mix.

in reasson (which i use) stero imagery is pretty good . it gives you a freq point on where you want the effect to take place and also gives you the option of where and how you want to widen or close each spectrum wheather it be a high end you want mono/ stero or the low end that you want stero. there is even the option to cut out from below a certain freq. so i have found this tool quite helpful once you kinda get what stero placing can do and is used for. which i hope and feel i have the riht and basic idea for.

any arguments or conflicting ideas are very welcome to my philosophy since as i stated before, my knowledge comes from what i have gathered on this site and my own personly trials and errors. anyway i hope this can help out in some way.

happy producing !!!

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Originally posted by lowski

hey those are good tips. thanks for sharing them.

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