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Posted by Zombie0729 on Apr-16-2008 20:04:

forums a mess

production studio needs more sub folders, too many repetitve and usless threads -- we need atleast 3 sub folders because i'm about to walk away from this thing

suggestions:

- Getting Started (What's the Best.... ??)
- Sound Design
- Synths /FX

any other ideas are welcome but this section use to be so much more : /


Posted by sterilis on Apr-16-2008 20:11:

its been like this for a while just learn to ignore alot of threads. i havent posted in here in months because its the same questions i was posting about 2 years ago.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Apr-16-2008 20:19:

i dont agree. its not very much action here so if we divided it would be even less. i think we should mix promotion + studio and also mix dj booth + dj promotion, generaly there are too many folder in all forums imo.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Apr-16-2008 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
i dont agree. its not very much action here so if we divided it would be even less. i think we should mix promotion + studio and also mix dj booth + dj promotion, generaly there are too many folder in all forums imo.



No way. The "promotion" threads (for both DJs and producers) would totally crowd out any production topics, since the promotion forums are a lot more active than this one.

I think that Zombie0729 has a pretty good idea. What would be best is to add a section, something like "FAQs, Recommendations, and Technical Difficulties."

The new section could contain all of the "What sequencer / synth / effects should I get?" and "Is my speaker / synth / computer broken?" and "How do I set up [insert program / piece of equipment here]?" kind of topics that have been clogging up this forum.

Once that was set up, the main production forum could focus on the real "meat" of making tracks -- composition, arrangement, synthesis and effects, mixing, and mastering -- instead of being flooded with people asking what synths and speakers to buy.


Posted by Zombie0729 on Apr-16-2008 20:45:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
i dont agree. its not very much action here so if we divided it would be even less. i think we should mix promotion + studio and also mix dj booth + dj promotion, generaly there are too many folder in all forums imo.


its just more concise, just because traffic isn't huge dosn't mean it shouldn't be organized. how nice would it be to not have to scroll thru 30 newbie threads 'whats the best... ' and have actual threads(even if its only 1 a week) of sound design/patch ideas/synth techniques whatever


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Apr-16-2008 20:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0729
how nice would it be to not have to scroll thru 30 newbie threads 'whats the best... ' and have actual threads(even if its only 1 a week) of sound design/patch ideas/synth techniques whatever

I agree completely (see post above yours).

I don't care how "fast" the forum seems to be moving, as long as the topics are decent and not the kind of fluff that's been crowding the place lately.

A lot of these topics aren't actually about making music, but simply people waiting on everybody else to tell them the "right" tools to get. That's what I was poking fun at with my "Equipment Recommendation Forum" thread.


Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-16-2008 21:04:

I actually think the forum genres are correct - I think some of the problem lies in the lack of supervision from mods.

I'm not saying the mods are lazy, moreso that the web admins should set stronger guidelines as to what should be regulated and how.

Threads like "Paul Oakenfold is a douchbag" (etc.) do not belong in the production or DJ Booth forum, they should be in the general discussion forum.

Also, a lot of threads/subjects have been repeated so often that long time users aren't bothering to use the forums anymore (myself somewhat included). Again, the mods should be telling the noobs to use the search function, and useless threads should be closed.

I only suggest this as I am and have been a member of other forums (even totally unrelated to music/tech) and the ones that always thrive (as well as being useful) are the ones that manage to find the balance of encouraging new/uneducated users, whilst keeping the interest of the more seasoned.

It is really in the interest of the mods/owners to manage the content of this forum, and I know along with others who have pointed this out over the last year or so (there have been several threads on this) that the quality s slipping.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Apr-16-2008 21:23:

We don't need any more subforums, we just need an active mod. Just one. Please.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Apr-16-2008 21:29:

What would a more active mod do, though? Simply delete all the newbie "recommendation" threads that have been clogging the place up?

I guess that's okay if you don't mind pissing lots of people off...


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Apr-16-2008 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What would a more active mod do, though? Simply delete all the newbie "recommendation" threads that have been clogging the place up?

I guess that's okay if you don't mind pissing lots of people off...

You can't please everyone, no matter what you do. All a mod would need to do would be to keep the FAQ/tutorials up to date and point the newbies to them when needed.

If we all hate the "recommendation" threads who else would visit the forums but the newbies? That wouldn't help anyone either.

No matter what you do, someone's going to be pissed off.


Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-16-2008 22:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
You can't please everyone, no matter what you do. All a mod would need to do would be to keep the FAQ/tutorials up to date and point the newbies to them when needed.

If we all hate the "recommendation" threads who else would visit the forums but the newbies? That wouldn't help anyone either.

No matter what you do, someone's going to be pissed off.


+1 - spot on, and if you're going to piss off anyone it should be the noobs that can't be bothered to click the search button.

But having said that I don't even think noobs will be pissed off. Some just don't think to use the search. If a mod were to intervene and close a thread with directions of where to find the obvious info, I think this would be a more efficient way of learning - I know sites that have done this and it really encourages a higher level of education amongst their members.


Posted by DigiNut on Apr-16-2008 23:05:

Are you kidding!? We need MORE useless and repetitive threads! Here's the regimen I'm planning for the next week:

  1. What studio monitors should I buy?
  2. What monitors should I buy for under $50?
  3. What monitors should I buy for under $50 that will enable me to make tracks like DJ Tiesto?
  4. What monitors should I buy for under $50 that will enable me to make tracks like Paul Van Dyk?
  5. Do I really need to spend more than $50 on monitors if I want to make tracks like Paul Van Dyk or DJ Tiesto?
  6. What monitors should I buy for under $25 that can make me sound like Markus Schulz?
  7. What's the best synth to use for trance?
  8. What's the best effect to use for trance?
  9. What's the best kick to use for trance?
  10. What's the best drum pack to use for trance?
  11. What's the best synth to use for progressive?
  12. How can I get just the vocals out of a track so I can remix it?
  13. How can I get everything except the vocals out of a track so I can remix it?
  14. How do I remix?
  15. What's the best synth to use for remixing?
  16. Do I need to use the same monitors as the original producer if I want to do a remix?
  17. Jessica Alba Nude Pix!!!!1111one
  18. Where do I find acapellas?
  19. My track stutters, what should I do?
  20. My track gets distorted, what should I do?
  21. What soundcard do I need to buy?
  22. What soundcard should I buy if I only have $12 to spend?
  23. What soundcard does Ferry Corsten use?
  24. I bought a new soundcard and my tracks still don't sound like Ferry Corsten, what should I do?
  25. Is it better to use hardware or software?
  26. Should I use FL Studio or Ableton Live?
  27. Should I get a Virus TI or a JP8000?
  28. Can I use a Virus with FL Studio?
  29. Can somebody send me tips on how to produce in Ableton?
  30. So I made this totally awesome melody and its 6 seconds long and can somebody finish it for me or tell me what to do next?
  31. And what labels should I send to once it's done?


I'm going to be posting these on a regular rotation, 5 per day. With any luck, somebody will show me how to make my Gouryella remix in 5 minutes or less spending only 9 cents and get it released on Global Underground. It can't be that hard, honestly.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Apr-16-2008 23:09:


Posted by sterilis on Apr-16-2008 23:15:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
[*]Jessica Alba Nude Pix!!!!1111one


this one got me a record deal. great help with lots of information.


Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-16-2008 23:37:

Wow, good way to trash a constructive thread. Oh sorry, forgot, we don't have those anymore.


Posted by sterilis on Apr-16-2008 23:41:

construcutive threads are a thing of the past on tranceaddict. audiopioneers is a great forum. you dont get any shit and if there is its quickly deleted.


Posted by echosystm on Apr-16-2008 23:44:

this is why AP is good, only problem is there aren't enough people over there. i definately don't think we should split this forum up though. look at AP, each subforum only gets posted in once every fortnight!


Posted by kevin shawn on Apr-17-2008 00:17:

Better search capabilities.

Hammer in peoples heads the art of using google and youtube, along with the tutorial master list above.

Maybe if you have X number of posts you are allowed access to another subforum for you more "experienced" producers so we n00bs don't piss you off. It's hard not reading every post I guess.


Posted by itsamemario on Apr-17-2008 00:44:

we dont need to divide up the already pretty abandoned Production Studio into more.. we should just have like a test for n00bs to be able to access it.. like, where does a n00b find answers to this and that, blablabla jim beam+coca cola=deeerunk.. yeaz


Posted by DigiNut on Apr-17-2008 02:12:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Wow, good way to trash a constructive thread. Oh sorry, forgot, we don't have those anymore.

This was a constructive thread? Must have missed a memo...


Posted by flutlicht junky on Apr-17-2008 16:35:

I got a better idea.

Leave it as it is and if you see a thread you want to reply to, you reply. If you see a thread you dont want to reply to, then dont.

I've never once understood why someone would even be remotely bothered by a post going "what synth/speaker should i get etc". Why waste time focusing on stuff you don't like.

And if you want more interesting threads then create some. There have been quite a few recently that have given some really useful info.


Posted by Derivative on Apr-17-2008 20:45:

Some dude asks you what stuff he is supposed to recycle because hes not sure whether to put things like yoghurt pots in the trash or wash them out and drop them in the recycle bin. You make him a nice big sign over the bin that lists all the stuff you can and cannot recycle.

One day hes washing out an empty can of tuna with scalding hot water and the intention of recycling it but as you well know, this is dangerous thinking because you never recycle recepticles that have come into contact with meat produce. As a consequence of his ignorance he fumbles it and accidentally slashes his carotid artery. He is bleeding out all over your sink and spoiling your tea towels. When you get home you find the feds are swarming all over the place and have implicated you in a bizaare voodoo ritual. They find the tuna tin lid with your prints all over it but you recycled your tesco receipts. Shit dood. Run.

They arrest you and haul your ass into the cells where you get butt served in a series of long and painful nights by intricately tattooed gentlemen that for some weird reason keep dropping bars of soap and expecting you to pick them up.

All of this because of some dumbass who can't read a big ass sticky that TELLS HIM WHAT TO DO WITHOUT LIKE DYING HORRIBLY.


Posted by kevin shawn on Apr-17-2008 22:42:

^^

Best post ever


Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-18-2008 02:07:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
This was a constructive thread? Must have missed a memo...


You must have, you and the mods.

It seems ridiculous that the owner(s) (this being a commercial entity) doesn't seem to care if site traffic drops off? Maybe it hasn't yet but the people who know useful information will not hang around if it's just a bulletin board for dumb, over repeated or really obvious questions. Then, the question don't get answered, and new members stop coming. The same can be applied for subjects in the wrong sub-forum.

To prove my point, here's a snapshot threads that either should have been closed or put in the correct of right now:

Welcome to the Equipment Recommendation Forum!

Are there any good key matching programs?

External sound card

Trance VSTs and Plug-Ins

Paul Oakenfold is a douchebag..

Midi keyboards and software

Midi Keyboard question

That's seven threads out of 30 - and most of them have been on here for days. This forum used to even be a bit policed by some members who would set idiots straight (thanks mr. Mystery ) but even those can't bothered anymore.


Posted by DigiNut on Apr-18-2008 02:40:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
To prove my point, here's a snapshot threads that either should have been closed or put in the correct of right now:

Well, it's fantastic that you're so knowledgeable on how the forum should be run. Have a chat with Del, I'm sure he'll appreciate your advice on how to increase site revenue.

I'm not sure if you were paying attention before, but this forum has always been full of stupid and repetitive questions. That's why we made the FAQ and Tutorial threads in the first place. If you're so sure that the quality is sinking (and frankly, I don't agree) then why not contribute a few quality threads of your own instead of bitching?


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