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Radio Slave is as formulaic a producer as Deadmau5

Yet he seems to get far less flack for it. Why?

I should say that I play tracks by both on a regular basis, but also think that 90% of what each of them has made is so steeped in routine that it's as boring as music can get.

Deadmau5 gets shit on pretty regularly for making a bunch of tunes that sound the same, but in the end almost all of them have more going on in them than any Radio Slave tune. The classic argument in favor of RS is "Oh, they're just beat/dj tools" - well that's great and all, but apparently the bulk of DJ's the world over didn't get the memo, and we've all thus been subjected (at one point or another) to hearing way, way more of a Radio Slave tune played in a set than we ever should have.

So why is it, then, that some of you think Radio Slave has escaped the "I only make this kind of tune" stigma? Is it because of the audience he plays and makes music for? Does someone want to try and tell me that the quality of RS tunes is somehow objectively better?



I just don't understand how a producer who is quite literally only capable of making 10+ minute loops of the same samples garners as much respect as RS has, especially considering the amount of criticism other artists get for doing the exact same thing.

I have never once heard Radio Slave try anything that I would consider remotely different from his usual routine.

I remember Tom saying to me "Why does everyone give Prydz flack for looping everything, when Radioslave's tracks don't even really start adding elements till about the third minute?"

I'd really like an answer from the people who love him.

i like 10 minute loops
listen to my productions

Yeah - it could have been a Pryda comparison just as easily, but I just figured Deadmau5 might be a bit more controversial

Seriously though - I do like a fair number of his tunes and what they try to do, but 9 times out of 10 I will listen to the beginning of an RS tune, get really excited about what it could do, then ten minutes later kick myself for thinking it was going to do anything different than it did in the first 3.

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Originally posted by Az i like 10 minute loops listen to my productions

Your productions do a lot more than most RS productions.

A lot more.

I've seen some shockingly bad DJ sets in my time - Richard Durand, Audiobullys etc.

I have to say that Radio Slave was the most boring(not bad) set I've ever seen. He takes "minimal" to a new level. A 4/4 beat is just as entertaining.

When he played in Chicago he asked (or demanded, depending on who you ask) that some friends of his open for him (play an hour between the locals and RS).

Those friends apparently turned out to be the single worst amateur hip-hop fucks anyone had ever seen - if I remember right, the crowd went from about four to five hundred down to a handful by the time Radio Slave actually started playing.

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Originally posted by RJT When he played in Chicago he asked (or demanded, depending on who you ask) that some friends of his open for him (play an hour between the locals and RS). Those friends apparently turned out to be the single worst amateur hip-hop fucks anyone had ever seen - if I remember right, the crowd went from about four to five hundred down to a handful by the time Radio Slave actually started playing.

he was awesome when I saw him at sonar

Word on the street is he's the master of repetition.

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Originally posted by SMC Word on the street is he's the master of repetition.

he is indeed
moan

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Originally posted by Az he was awesome when I saw him at sonar

Not enough people made it long enough to hear his set in Chicago, so I've really got no idea as to how he plays

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Originally posted by RJT When he played in Chicago he asked (or demanded, depending on who you ask) that some friends of his open for him (play an hour between the locals and RS). Those friends apparently turned out to be the single worst amateur hip-hop fucks anyone had ever seen - if I remember right, the crowd went from about four to five hundred down to a handful by the time Radio Slave actually started playing.

I've been trying to dig up someone's first hand report on it from MWTA, but have failed utterly so far - so I might not even be right, and it may not have been the Radio Slave show where that happened.

I'm pretty sure it was though.

He is good at what he does. Real good. His remixer skills are out of this world.

Deadmau5 sucks period. Faxing Berling was great, other than that, nothing.

I agree RS uses repetition and looping and all, but he is great at it !

Listen to these two tunes:

Trentemoller - Moan (RS remix)
Len Faki - My Black sheep (RS remix)

and then just come back and ask for forgiveness

and YES, nothing happens until the 2nd minute, but it's a way of teasing, isnt it ?

Radio Slave has mastered the concept of groove pretty well, unlike Deadmau5. Also RS has a wider array of sounds and such, the only thing his productions have in common is repetition and a dark feel.

Just go listen to his EM or something... sigh how could someone mention Radioslave in the same sentence as Deadmau5..

Basically you guys are both just saying that you prefer him to Deadmau5, not that he's doing anything all that differently.

Taste is taste, but neither of you have said anything about how the fact that they're both formulaic as fuck yet treated totally differently doesn't make much sense.

And all of you Radio Slave sheep saying or who will say "go listen and come back" can fuck right off. I have, and I don't particularly feel compelled to ask for forgiveness for not liking the same shit music that you do.

Radio Slave is the man...it is what is is. He cannot be f*cked with.

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Originally posted by julien2 I agree RS uses repetition and looping and all, but he is great at it !

Yeah, what a genious, right?

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Originally posted by SMC Yeah, what a genious, right?

Non ninja edits for you, Mr. "Genious".

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Originally posted by RJT So why is it, then, that some of you think Radio Slave has escaped the "I only make this kind of tune" stigma? Is it because of the audience he plays and makes music for?

Probably yes. Apparently he's doing something right in the eyes and ears of his listeners. And as he makes technoish tracks you know the looping is evident. People expect it in the scene. But though he's not being discussed around here so much compared to Deadmau5 it could be he is criticized somewhere else. I think the main reason Deadmau5 is getting slacked so much here is because more people tend to listen to his stuff and not Radio Slave's.

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Originally posted by RJT Does someone want to try and tell me that the quality of RS tunes is somehow objectively better?

Absolutely not. The obvious answer: a matter of taste and thus subjectivity. Both are doing amazing things objectively I guess, but I'd prefer Radio Slave over Deadmau5 any day.

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Originally posted by theevolpenguin how could someone mention Radioslave in the same sentence as Deadmau5..

You just did.

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Originally posted by RJT Basically you guys are both just saying that you prefer him to Deadmau5, not that he's doing anything all that differently. Taste is taste, but neither of you have said anything about how the fact that they're both formulaic as fuck yet treated totally differently doesn't make much sense. And all of you Radio Slave sheep saying or who will say "go listen and come back" can fuck right off. I have, and I don't particularly feel compelled to ask for forgiveness for not liking the same shit music that you do.

I like your posts, usually, but here you are just whining for nothing.

RS = repetition, electronic music = repetition.

What don't you understand ?

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Originally posted by RJT Basically you guys are both just saying that you prefer him to Deadmau5, not that he's doing anything all that differently. Taste is taste, but neither of you have said anything about how the fact that they're both formulaic as fuck yet treated totally differently doesn't make much sense. And all of you Radio Slave sheep saying or who will say "go listen and come back" can fuck right off. I have, and I don't particularly feel compelled to ask for forgiveness for not liking the same shit music that you do.

Whoa, touchy!

There's nothing wrong with being formulaic, Radio Slave just does it better.

Like I said, Radio Slave has a better understanding of groove and arrangement imo. He just makes repetitiveness work. Deadmau5, I just liked Not Exacty and the rest of it didn't do anything for me.

Also Radio Slave's Misch Masch comp is <3.

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt You just did.

nice

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