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Unrepentant: The Unknown Genocide of Canada's Native Peoples

Much respect to the bravery of Kevin Arnnett for bringing this utterly repugnant attrocity in to the public record in this documentary account of the genocidal rape of aboriginal natives. This didn't happen a few hundren years ago, more like a few decades. I can't really comment much more right now as I'm far too disgusted and consumed with rage to be terribly coherent.

I live only a few kilometres away from a Six Nations reserve on Grand River near Caledonia. Its true that the Canadian government has been working for a long time to assimilate native peoples into Canadian-American brand. They tricked them and took back the lands that they initially gave to natives for fighting against American aggression in the War of 1812. If it wasnt for the natives, that war would have likely played out differently.

Today the natives are quite brazen in Canada, and show great animousity towards whites and non-natives, and I have experienced in on myself. Often enough they can be hypocrite. I'll explain later, must run for work now.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I live only a few kilometres away from a Six Nations reserve on Grand River near Caledonia. Its true that the Canadian government has been working for a long time to assimilate native peoples into Canadian-American brand. They tricked them and took back the lands that they initially gave to natives for fighting against American aggression in the War of 1812. If it wasnt for the natives, that war would have likely played out differently. Today the natives are quite brazen in Canada, and show great animousity towards whites and non-natives, and I have experienced in on myself. Often enough they can be hypocrite. I'll explain later, must run for work now.

Gee, I wonder why the fuck they would feel that way... I'm sure each and every one of them is like that right? I'm not saying hostility is a good thing, it doesn't build bridges. But it has an understandable cause, which the one's who have that hostiliry can't entirely be blamed for. Their culture and way of life has been destroyed, their people massacred, their women raped. What the fuck do you expect? Some modern western PC bullshit of going along to get along? What fucking justification is there for their persecution. None whatsoever. So no neep to get defensive here and stroke everyone with a broad brush. The only thing you're refelcting is (which is also fucking absurd) is your own guilty conscience by associating your identity with people in the distant past, who aren't even your fucking ancestors. Dude, seriously mag, you're an intelligent guy with a sense of ethics. What the fuck is up with all this nationalistic bullshit? Haven't you been disillusioned with the concept of nation states yet? These degenrate disgusting unjustifiable violent coersive institutions do not serve the interest of their subject populations, only the interest of those who set and influence policy. And that ain't the fucking people... more like fucking corporation, the economic models driving the system, the political [and / or 'religious'] oligrach that runs every system despite it's label or description on paper. Fuck nationalism, and fuck "patriotism." Fuck nation states. Patriotism is an absurd concept by virtue of the absurd institutional structure it necessitates to exist. People always want to belong to a bigger group to identify with, fuck that stupid childish desire to belong as well. Do you define yourself as a human being? Or do you define yourself as a subserient subject to slave your life away being taxed for all the material and superficial shit that will never make you happy or fulfill your actual human needs?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Gee, I wonder why the fuck they would feel that way... I'm sure each and every one of them is like that right? I'm not saying hostility is a good thing, it doesn't build bridges. But it has an understandable cause, which the one's who have that hostiliry can't entirely be blamed for. Their culture and way of life has been destroyed, their people massacred, their women raped. What the fuck do you expect? Some modern western PC bullshit of going along to get along? What fucking justification is there for their persecution. None whatsoever. So no neep to get defensive here and stroke everyone with a broad brush. The only thing you're refelcting is (which is also fucking absurd) is your own guilty conscience by associating your identity with people in the distant past, who aren't even your fucking ancestors. Dude, seriously mag, you're an intelligent guy with a sense of ethics. What the fuck is up with all this nationalistic bullshit? Haven't you been disillusioned with the concept of nation states yet? These degenrate disgusting unjustifiable violent coersive institutions do not serve the interest of their subject populations, only the interest of those who set and influence policy. And that ain't the fucking people... more like fucking corporation, the economic models driving the system, the political [and / or 'religious'] oligrach that runs every system despite it's label or description on paper. Fuck nationalism, and fuck "patriotism." Fuck nation states. Patriotism is an absurd concept by virtue of the absurd institutional structure it necessitates to exist. People always want to belong to a bigger group to identify with, fuck that stupid childish desire to belong as well. Do you define yourself as a human being? Or do you define yourself as a subserient subject to slave your life away being taxed for all the material and superficial shit that will never make you happy or fulfill your actual human needs?

4 words - SUCK IT UP PRINCESS.

|| <--- this is all the sympathy i have for the natives. So someone stole your great great great great grand daddy's land? DEAL WITH IT... Lets take a look at what these people do with teh land they currently have and the money they get from the gov.....

Oneida reserve, outside london ontario. Gov built 30 new single family homes back in 94. over half of them are now missing the porches and all the siding..... why? they were built with wood furnaces and the people who were GIVEN these homes for free were too damn lazy to walk 30 feet to the forest outside the house to cut a tree, so they ripped off the decks and siding and burned that.....

alcoholism and drug abuse is rampant in reserves across the country, with no sense or responsability for their own problems. you have a small hand full of band leaders who recognize the problem but can't do anything about it.

I do know of some natives who have done well for themselves, they left the reserves, got jobs like the rest of us and now pay taxes like the rest of us. That was their choice to make their lives better for themselves....

I dont see why we need to keep funding these un-sustainable communities and putting up with these bullshit land claims, and what happens when they get the land? they do sweet fuck all with it.

the native community as a whole needs to get off their asses and help themselves by working for a living instead of living off gov handouts, and while they are at it, they can start paying taxes too. Im pretty sure universal free healthcare wasnt part of the 200 year old agreement.... doctors in london ontario are getting sick of treating overweight diabetic natives with drug and alcohol related ilnesses who wont take medical advice or perscribed medication.

im off to bed, can't wait to see what this looks like tomorrow! but i will say that i found your "attack" on magnetonium completely un-called for shaolin.

History..... its a bitch...
but so will your life if you live in it....

I just heard that the US gov is trying to cut into my check I get from selling white men cigs on our lands....

now that is a focking shame

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp 4 words - SUCK IT UP PRINCESS. || <--- this is all the sympathy i have for the natives. So someone stole your great great great great grand daddy's land? DEAL WITH IT... Lets take a look at what these people do with teh land they currently have and the money they get from the gov..... Oneida reserve, outside london ontario. Gov built 30 new single family homes back in 94. over half of them are now missing the porches and all the siding..... why? they were built with wood furnaces and the people who were GIVEN these homes for free were too damn lazy to walk 30 feet to the forest outside the house to cut a tree, so they ripped off the decks and siding and burned that..... alcoholism and drug abuse is rampant in reserves across the country, with no sense or responsability for their own problems. you have a small hand full of band leaders who recognize the problem but can't do anything about it. I do know of some natives who have done well for themselves, they left the reserves, got jobs like the rest of us and now pay taxes like the rest of us. That was their choice to make their lives better for themselves.... I dont see why we need to keep funding these un-sustainable communities and putting up with these bullshit land claims, and what happens when they get the land? they do sweet fuck all with it. the native community as a whole needs to get off their asses and help themselves by working for a living instead of living off gov handouts, and while they are at it, they can start paying taxes too. Im pretty sure universal free healthcare wasnt part of the 200 year old agreement.... doctors in london ontario are getting sick of treating overweight diabetic natives with drug and alcohol related ilnesses who wont take medical advice or perscribed medication.

Go fuck yourself, seriously.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im off to bed, can't wait to see what this looks like tomorrow! but i will say that i found your "attack" on magnetonium completely un-called for shaolin.

I fail to see how I'm "attacking" him.

It's happening today. What are we doing to the natives of Iraq and Afghanistan? We do what all conquerors do...Pillage and plunder their wealth...It really is a shame...

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Originally posted by Krypton It's happening today. What are we doing to the natives of Iraq and Afghanistan? We do what all conquerors do...Pillage and plunder their wealth...It really is a shame...

Yes, this is true to a point, but if such actions did not happen, would Man have advanced throughout the ages?

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Originally posted by Krypton It's happening today. What are we doing to the natives of Iraq and Afghanistan? We do what all conquerors do...Pillage and plunder their wealth...It really is a shame...

why does everything turn into iraq with you?

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Originally posted by LazFX Yes, this is true to a point, but if such actions did not happen, would Man have advanced throughout the ages?

Maybe not, but then what the hell is the point in having international law if not to prevent the very acts of aggressive war that have marked the first decade of the 21st century?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 why does everything turn into iraq with you?

Because as this thread makes clear. We have not learned from the past. What's wrong with pointing that out?

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Originally posted by Krypton Because as this thread makes clear. We have not learned from the past. What's wrong with pointing that out?

actually, taking land from the natives and no giving them much in return was a GOOD move for us. our entire existence as a nation is owed to stealing their land. whether it was ethnical is a separate issue. this is not even remotely the same issue.

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Originally posted by LazFX Yes, this is true to a point, but if such actions did not happen, would Man have advanced throughout the ages?

Maybe not in the 16th or 17th centuries. But we are in the 21st century we have the abilities to create anti-biotics and can send a man to the moon. Why can't we focus on engineering feats rather than fighting weaker people just for land?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 actually, taking land from the natives and no giving them much in return was a GOOD move for us. our entire existence as a nation is owed to stealing their land. whether it was ethnical is a separate issue. this is not even remotely the same issue.

Exactly, and we're still taking other people's land as conquerors. Nothing has changed....

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Originally posted by Krypton Exactly, and we're still taking other people's land as conquerors. Nothing has changed....

ok....except you missed the part about how taking the native's land was a very good thing for us. you can't even begin to argue that it wasn't because the life you know would not exist if it wasn't for that chain of events. tell me exactly the lesson we need to learn from pre 1900 americans taking away the native's land.

the second point, the war in iraq is not a war over land. the powers that be have their reasons, but one of those reasons is not to conquer iraq and make it the 51st state.

you can't draw a parallel anytime you want, there must actually be similarities.

IMO, the north american "natives" did far better then most conqured peoples through history.

The attrocity spoken of here was committed by persons working in residential schools and was an abuse of their power... it's not as though this was government policy. There was a class action law suit about this, the victims were compensated, it's a closed issue.

I'm with the Col. on the reserve issue. The Natives are given ample money to run their communities, free land, free health care, free homes, etc, and their band counsils piss it all away on personal items (band counsils do not need to account for how the funds they receive from the federal government are spent). We have a community right now with unsafe drinking water because equipment in their water treatment facility is disfunctional... they've received hundreds of millions of dollars over the past 3 years to fix it... all that money is gone and no work has been done on the plant. This is their problem, IMO, not ours.

The reserve system has created the problem... we gave them enough to want a western life and be incapable of their traditional life. So now they want to live like the rest of us but expect it to be given to them rather then working for it. Fuck that, we don't owe them anything.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 ok....except you missed the part about how taking the native's land was a very good thing for us. you can't even begin to argue that it wasn't because the life you know would not exist if it wasn't for that chain of events. tell me exactly the lesson we need to learn from pre 1900 americans taking away the native's land. the second point, the war in iraq is not a war over land. the powers that be have their reasons, but one of those reasons is not to conquer iraq and make it the 51st state. you can't draw a parallel anytime you want, there must actually be similarities.

Where did I ever say it wasn't good for us? Huh? Where? The west wouldn't have done it if it wasn't in their best interest.

The Iraq war is a war to secure Iraq's oil reserves. Yes, it very much is over their land. We have built a billion dollar embassy in the middle of Baghdad. We have military bases spread throughout the middle east from the stans of the east to turkey, qatar, IRAQ....

No wonder there is terrorism in the world. It's just too bad the natives of North America could not fight back like the Islamists in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, and other countries. I hope they route the Western coalition right back to where they came from!! The Americans think they can "Westernize" the Middle East like they did the indians. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

I very much draw parallels, sorry if you can't see that...

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Originally posted by Krypton Where did I ever say it wasn't good for us? Huh? Where? The west wouldn't have done it if it wasn't in their best interest.

you are implying that it was a bad thing. you said we didn't learn our lessons, which lessons were we supposed to learn? Shit, if anything, the lesson would be that taking over other people's lands is a good proposition if you kill enough of them so that can't fight back. europeans got exactly what they wanted and they made the best out of it. please provide some sort of lesson we should have learned from taking lands we wanted from the natives (aside from any ethical arguments).

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Originally posted by Krypton The Iraq war is a war to secure Iraq's oil reserves. Yes, it very much is over their land. We have built a billion dollar embassy in the middle of Baghdad. We have military bases spread throughout the middle east from the stans of the east to turkey, qatar, IRAQ....

except the iraqi people [at least some of them] will exploit and benefit from their own oil reserves. we aren't stealing their oil, regardless of what you think the iraqis will have a say in how that is handled. Further, building embassies is standard practice. that isn't really unusual. it's quite a tenuous argument to say that the iraq war was about land so america could put up a few military bases and an expensive embassy on leased land. we haven't taken anything from them, it's still iraqi land!

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Originally posted by Krypton No wonder there is terrorism in the world. It's just too bad the natives of North America could not fight back like the Islamists in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, and other countries.

that's just stupid. the natives did fight back. that's why they were obliterated.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Go fuck yourself, seriously.

Great rebuttal.......



I work hard for a living, and i pay my taxes. I fail to see any benefit for me or for the native population derived from the millions of dollars wasted on the band councils each year? North american Indians are the only conquered people in history that are still receiving compensation hundereds of years after their land was taken. Why the hell are we still paying for this? I don't see the american gov sending out reparation checks every month to every black family in america for enslaving their great grandfathers....

the best thing that could possibly happen for native americans (the canadian ones at least) is to cut them off their freebies and hand outs and their tax exempt status. otherwise we are just funding their own deliquancy and contributing to the sluminess of the reserves.... its hard to take pride in things that are given to you without having earned it.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 you are implying that it was a bad thing. you said we didn't learn our lessons, which lessons were we supposed to learn?

COLONIALISM

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except the iraqi people [at least some of them] will exploit and benefit from their own oil reserves. we aren't stealing their oil, regardless of what you think the iraqis will have a say in how that is handled. Further, building embassies is standard practice. that isn't really unusual. it's quite a tenuous argument to say that the iraq war was about land so america could put up a few military bases and an expensive embassy on leased land. we haven't taken anything from them, it's still iraqi land!

Wow, you actually think the Iraqi government represents the people of Iraq. That's such a joke. The government is corrupt and is a puppet of the coalition forces. How many embassies do you know cost over $1 billion to build? Hmmm, think about it...As long as the Americans stay in Iraq, there will always be a resistance. If I were Iraqi, I sure as hell would be in it too.

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that's just stupid. the natives did fight back. that's why they were obliterated.

Great point. The occupation is trying to obliterate all who oppose foreign occupation huh?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 that's just stupid. the natives did fight back. that's why they were obliterated.

Not really, the majority hadn't been exposed to diseases brought by the white man. So the more they were around them the more they came to disease. That is what obliterated them.

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Originally posted by Krypton COLONIALISM

your argument has zero legs to stand on. provide some sort of lesson to be learned. it appears you can't do that.

EDIT: i don't even know what your point is by saying colonialism. that doesn't mean anything when said without context. why don't you try making an argument where you support your conclusion with facts.

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Originally posted by Krypton Wow, you actually think the Iraqi government represents the people of Iraq. That's such a joke. The government is corrupt and is a puppet of the coalition forces. How many embassies do you know cost over $1 billion to build? Hmmm, think about it...As long as the Americans stay in Iraq, there will always be a resistance. If I were Iraqi, I sure as hell would be in it too.

i have no idea how much embassies cost to build and maintain, and i suspect you don't either. disregarding your irrelevant rant on a resistence and securing oil, you still haven't refuted the claim that america really isn't trying to steal iraqi land. at the end of the day, whether the iraqi government represents the entire iraqi population is irrelevant because the iraqi government, which will be made of iraqis, will control iraqi land and oil. whether they give favorable deals to americans isn't relevant either because the US will not be taking the oil without compensating some iraqis.

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Originally posted by Krypton Great point. The occupation is trying to obliterate all who oppose foreign occupation huh?

not really. the end goal isn't to permanently occupy iraqi. the idea behind taking the native lands was to keep and hold the native's land forever. the settlers never intended to give the land back. There will be a point in time when the US is no longer occupying iraqi. So, for arguments sake, if you want to say we occupying their land and have taken some sort of right to the land, that won't last because at some point it will revert back to total iraqi sovereignty.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru Not really, the majority hadn't been exposed to diseases brought by the white man. So the more they were around them the more they came to disease. That is what obliterated them.

fair enough....i should have been clearer in what i was referring to, i was talking about indian resistence.

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