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When will affordable, fully-electric cars come around?

There have been some purely electric cars like this one:

http://gas2.org/2008/03/20/teslas-f...der-production/

It can do zero to sixty miles per hour in under four seconds, and of course it costs $100,000.

But what about a normal, mid-range priced electric car? What's the holdup on that?

If electric cars started replacing gas ones, we could finally take a meaningful step to breaking out of oil-dependence...

found out about this yesterday. it looks weird but the numbers don't look to bad and it's under $30k

http://www.aptera.com/

For every one you drive, I will drive an International 7300 CXT 100 miles.

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Originally posted by Audious For every one you drive, I will drive an International 7300 CXT 100 miles.

Have fun paying for it.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles There have been some purely electric cars like this one: http://gas2.org/2008/03/20/teslas-f...der-production/ It can do zero to sixty miles per hour in under four seconds, and of course it costs $100,000. But what about a normal, mid-range priced electric car? What's the holdup on that? If electric cars started replacing gas ones, we could finally take a meaningful step to breaking out of oil-dependence...

There have been mid-range priced electric cars... and they were taken off the roads.

Watch the following video... it may explain a lot:

Who killed the electric car??

Hopefully the car companies will realize their stupid mistake.

Don't you know who I am? I'm fucking Nick Fury.

I hope tesla does well, damn pricey but one of the cooler looking electrics.

Right now, all the prevailing technologies like hydrogen, electric, etc. do not yield enough power to make them viable...yet...

Oil is like heroine. We have to wean ourselves off it with a little methadone. That's where the hybrid vehicles come in. See, currently, we are in oil rehab. Hopefully, when we get out of rehab, we won't be addicted to oil anymore...

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Originally posted by Krypton Right now, all the prevailing technologies like hydrogen, electric, etc. do not yield enough power to make them viable...yet... Oil is like heroine. We have to wean ourselves off it with a little methadone. That's where the hybrid vehicles come in. See, currently, we are in oil rehab. Hopefully, when we get out of rehab, we won't be addicted to oil anymore...

what?! This is such a load of horse shit. We depend on oil because that is the only choice we have been provided at a cost that is attainable by most humans. And the shit about Hydrogen and electric not being powerful, you are fucking dumb for saying that. The problem with electric motors, is the power drain at high rpms. The problem with a hydrogen fueled car, is storage. So pray tell, how the fuck is it not "powerful" enough to use?

Also, the problem that has generally been the case with electric cars, is distance traveled from a single charge, charge time, and battery life. The R&D cost is so significant, since it is something that has neither been perfected, nor any mainstream or mass production attempt. That is until Tesla came around with the Tesla Roadster. The Toyota RAV-4 EV, the ONLY major manufacturer attempt at an affordable ev, was only able to be leased by consumers, or purchased by the government. All of the ones that the government purchased, have been sold off to private parties.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel what?! This is such a load of horse shit. We depend on oil because that is the only choice we have been provided at a cost that is attainable by most humans. And the shit about Hydrogen and electric not being powerful, you are fucking dumb for saying that. The problem with electric motors, is the power drain at high rpms. The problem with a hydrogen fueled car, is storage. So pray tell, how the fuck is it not "powerful" enough to use? Also, the problem that has generally been the case with electric cars, is distance traveled from a single charge, charge time, and battery life. The R&D cost is so significant, since it is something that has neither been perfected, nor any mainstream or mass production attempt. That is until Tesla came around with the Tesla Roadster. The Toyota RAV-4 EV, the ONLY major manufacturer attempt at an affordable ev, was only able to be leased by consumers, or purchased by the government. All of the ones that the government purchased, have been sold off to private parties.

Maybe I'm never specific enough...

The technologies are not viable in costs or mass comercialization...

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Originally posted by Krypton Maybe I'm never specific enough... The technologies are not viable in costs or mass comercialization...

This is a much different picture than your original post. Maybe you should start to think about your posts in these kinds of threads before you post them? Maybe try to see where people will pick them apart, and then adjust them accordingly to match what you are trying to say? It will help a ton.

IMO electric cars are 10+ years out. The real problem in America is we love our huge trucks and living 45 minutes from our work. Oil is here to stay, we just need to use a lot less of it and prices will stabilize. I'd love to see the Smart car do well here, not sure we're ready yet, but everyone is changing their tone as gas hits $4+.

i'm afraid i would have to move to san francisco if i got one. also, think about the smug factor.

Pedal cars FTW!

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Originally posted by epdarks IMO electric cars are 10+ years out. The real problem in America is we love our huge trucks and living 45 minutes from our work. Oil is here to stay, we just need to use a lot less of it and prices will stabilize. I'd love to see the Smart car do well here, not sure we're ready yet, but everyone is changing their tone as gas hits $4+.

The SMART car is actually gaining quite the popularity. They can't keep them on the lots. At least here in California anyways. I have been slowly seeing more of them. I've seen probably 3 or 4 randomly here and there.

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Originally posted by Theresa Who killed the electric car??

After watching this, I REALLY hate General Motors and the state of California.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson After watching this, I REALLY hate General Motors and the state of California.

Yea, it makes you kind of bitter... especially when people were literally fighting to keep the cars, and they were like "no... fuck you, we gonna crush 'em."

It's funny how the electric car was actually doing quite well - there was a demand, and society was beginning to adapt to them. Now when we are getting to the point where we actually need them, they are no where to be found.

Obviously the people who made the decision to pull them off the roads weren't forward thinkers. Likely a bunch of old men who couldn't see past their wrinkly old noses.

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Originally posted by Krypton Right now, all the prevailing technologies like hydrogen, electric, etc. do not yield enough power to make them viable...yet...

Power was never a concern... more like lack of fueling stations, length of time to recharge, and the general fear of not having enough juice to travel as far as you may need (not likely, unless you're driving A LOT).

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Originally posted by epdarks IMO electric cars are 10+ years out. The real problem in America is we love our huge trucks and living 45 minutes from our work. Oil is here to stay, we just need to use a lot less of it and prices will stabilize. I'd love to see the Smart car do well here, not sure we're ready yet, but everyone is changing their tone as gas hits $4+.

Ten years out?? There were electric cars on the roads in the 90's!! However, people are resistant to change (especially car companies that have oil companies breathing down their necks).

As for oil prices... uhh they aren't going down. If anything, the prices will continue to go up until we run out of oil all together.

I don't think it is a matter of people "loving their huge trucks", which sure, some do I would imagine. I think it really has to do with the lack of option. It has only been the last few years that people have had the opportunity to purchase vehicles that aren't as reliant on oil.

plus most assume that electric is just by default, better.

that electricity comes from somewhere and its usually a cheap coal burning power plant, which may be far less environmentally friendly than the average honda.

there are alternatives, but just electric likely will not be the perfect solution|

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Originally posted by biznology plus most assume that electric is just by default, better. that electricity comes from somewhere and its usually a cheap coal burning power plant, which may be far less environmentally friendly than the average honda. there are alternatives, but just electric likely will not be the perfect solution|

Very true. The resources needed to build the batteries result in a lot of pollution. Considering that most corporations aren't too concerned about being ecological, they would likely choose the cheaper option of using coal rather than something less harmful but more expensive.

However, one could argue that pollution isn't entirely the concern. Easily attainable and cheap oil will not be around forever, so an alternative will need to be offered at some point. If they start offering battery run vehicles and gas prices continue to rise, we may see people snatching them up, regardless of how much "better" they are.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles There have been some purely electric cars like this one: http://gas2.org/2008/03/20/teslas-f...der-production/ It can do zero to sixty miles per hour in under four seconds, and of course it costs $100,000. But what about a normal, mid-range priced electric car? What's the holdup on that? If electric cars started replacing gas ones, we could finally take a meaningful step to breaking out of oil-dependence...

Then we'd be dependent on power coming out of our walls, which is for the most part made by coal, which is just as bad as oil. This can be fixed with wind power etc though.

Batteries are quite hazardous to the environment to make and dispose of though.

I'd like to see the next generation of cars being fuelled by cannisters of metal filings which are ionically charged, then when they run down they are simply swapped at the service station. I read about this a few years ago in New Scientist and a few other places, but it seems to have died down since.

Hydrogen cars are not at all viable for many reasons.

Buy a small, european 4 cylinder turbo diesel if you want something that costs nothing to run and is highly efficient. Petrol-Electrics are a complete crock when it comes to fuel economy compared to a good turbo diesel engine, (much more refined engineering now) the ones in VW golf's and jetta's seem to be amongst the best.

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Originally posted by Lilith Buy a small, european 4 cylinder turbo diesel if you want something that costs nothing to run and is highly efficient. Petrol-Electrics are a complete crock when it comes to fuel economy compared to a good turbo diesel engine, (much more refined engineering now) the ones in VW golf's and jetta's seem to be amongst the best.

or diesel hybrids...there is a guy in the US converting 1970s Crown Vics (or most anything else) to run 50+mpg using random parts...for a price, however|

Toyota apparently couldn't get the diesel to work as well as the petrol when it came to recharging the batteries in the Prius. Which is kind of silly really when you consider mining trucks (the big yellow ones about the size of a house) have had diesel-electric drives for ages. When the Corolla-Horribilis eventually dies we'll probably get a TDI Golf for a run-about.
Sure, its front wheel drive which doesn't make it a 'real car' in any sense, just white-goods on wheels

Lilith obviously embraces all these lovely environmental conservation techniques.

Twin-turbo, high performance Mitsubishi engines for the win, huh?

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Originally posted by Lilith Buy a small, european 4 cylinder turbo diesel if you want something that costs nothing to run and is highly efficient. Petrol-Electrics are a complete crock when it comes to fuel economy compared to a good turbo diesel engine, (much more refined engineering now) the ones in VW golf's and jetta's seem to be amongst the best.

Cheaper and better for the environment that idiot Americans driving F250's, Hummers and Cadillacs, yes. Not that good though!

My car (Golf GTi) costs about $75 per tank.

6-7L/100km on freeway though.

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