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taxi to the dark side

i don't pay attention to the oscars which is why i hadn't heard of this documentary til it played on SBS last night.

for any of the more "alternative" people, here is an example of what a real documentary looks, sounds and feels like. just goes to show you dont need to dredge up nonsense in order to make a compelling case against the US government, for the real abuses they have committed during bush's watch.

Taxi to the dark side is an excellent exploration into how the white knight of modern democracy became perverted by its terrorism paranoia. A must watch for anyone that just loves a fair and balanced examination of how the war on terror is being conducted.

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ill have a look into it when i get the time, love a good balanced documentary

NICE...watchin it now...

I wrote about al-Libi's torture in Egypt, which gave the Bush admin the "intelligence" that Saddam had trained Al-Qaida in chemical/biological weapons...

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(Alleged Al-Qaeda Relationship) ........... The CIA later came out in August 2004 stating (Strobel, Landay, Walcott, 2004), �There is no conclusive evidence that the regime harbored Osama bin Laden associate Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi.� The fact is the relationship between Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda affiliates is extremely doubtful at best. In fact, the source of the Zarqawi-Saddam connection was Al-Qaeda leader Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi who was viewed as untrustworthy by US intelligence. This specific piece of intelligence he provided was under very questionable circumstances as he was in the detention of Egyptian authorities at the time, a country known to use torture. The information al-Libi provided under harsh treatment could not be counted on as creditable intelligence. In a November 2005 Newsweek article, two US counter-terrorism officials said they believed Colon Powell had obtained the information about supposed Iraqi involvement with Zarqawi and Al-Iraqi exclusively from Egyptian-held al-Libi. The evidence provided to the Security Council about Iraqi ties to Al-Qaeda is still unfounded to this day.

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Cheers for this one PKC. Saw it advertised but I'm an early starter so didn't see it. Did however see the earlier show on Hamas. Thought that was pretty interesting.

SBS shows some good stuff. They showed Taxi To The Dark Side last year when I was living in Melbourne. Way ahead of any Oscars.

It was part of their Democracy-somthing-something series which had a high quality through out

I didn't exactly learn anything new here as I've been posting about this shit for years. A lot of the psychological torture techniques and sexual humilation tactics are mkultra 101 minus the drugs. I'm guessing future terrorist attacks are going to be 9-11 ten fold. They haven't even fucking mentioned the sexual torture of children and raping women yet. A complete fucking whitewash. This is far from "balanced" you disingenuos politically correct fucks.

P.S. Other dogs that should be muzzled are these piece of shit military savages. [EDIT] Plus a long list of people in the execute branch and high ranking military and intelligence officers. Can somebody muzzle Bush too so we don't have to listen to his retarded responses and ramblings? While we're at it, somebody muzzle Dick Fucking Cheney too. And send him on another hunting trip with all the criminals in the white house and military... and blindfold the motherfucking Dick [Cheney]... so he hopefully shoots every single one of these fucks... I mean birds... in the face.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I didn't exactly learn anything new here as I've been posting about this shit for years. A lot of the psychological torture techniques and sexual humilation tactics are mkultra 101 minus the drugs. I'm guessing future terrorist attacks are going to be 9-11 ten fold. They haven't even fucking mentioned the sexual torture of children and raping women yet. A complete fucking whitewash. This is far from "balanced" you disingenuos politically correct fucks. P.S. Other dogs that should be muzzled are these piece of shit military savages. [EDIT] Plus a long list of people in the execute branch and high ranking military and intelligence officers. Can somebody muzzle Bush too so we don't have to listen to his retarded responses and ramblings? While we're at it, somebody muzzle Dick Fucking Cheney too. And send him on another hunting trip with all the criminals in the white house and military... and blindfold the motherfucking Dick [Cheney]... so he hopefully shoots every single one of these fucks... I mean birds... in the face.

have you ever sought anger management?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 have you ever sought anger management?

Haha, I'm pissed off as fuck these days yes . And the fact that I'm not doing any qi gung or meditation doesn't help... [edit] but all the crap that's going on these days.... and has been for a while should piss off anybody with a shred of decency and humanity left in them.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Haha, I'm pissed off as fuck these days yes . And the fact that I'm not doing any qi gung or meditation doesn't help... [edit] but all the crap that's going on these days.... and has been for a while should piss off anybody with a shred of decency and humanity left in them.

bush will be gone soon enough.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 bush will be gone soon enough.

But will his administrations legislative legacy and their blatantly unconstitutional methods go with him?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I didn't exactly learn anything new here as I've been posting about this shit for years. A lot of the psychological torture techniques and sexual humilation tactics are mkultra 101 minus the drugs. I'm guessing future terrorist attacks are going to be 9-11 ten fold. They haven't even fucking mentioned the sexual torture of children and raping women yet. A complete fucking whitewash. This is far from "balanced" you disingenuos politically correct fucks.

got any proof that the sexual torture of children and raping of women were a systemic part of the war on terror? do you have any reason to include such cases in a documentary about institutionalised treatment condoned by the pointy end of the pentagon or white house?

or are you merely crying foul because the doco wasn't nearly batshit crazy or over the top enough?

i didnt learn anything particularly new either, however it was still an excellent doco.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN got any proof that the sexual torture of children and raping of women were a systemic part of the war on terror? do you have any reason to include such cases in a documentary about institutionalised treatment condoned by the pointy end of the pentagon or white house? or are you merely crying foul because the doco wasn't nearly batshit crazy or over the top enough? i didnt learn anything particularly new either, however it was still an excellent doco.

I hope the NYTimes is batshit crazy enough for you ******.

EDIT: Alright you piece of shit, I coudln't find the NYTimes article just yet... where it discusses sodomizing children with glowsticks dripped in battery acid and raping women, but here's the guardian... I hope it's batshit crazy enough for you, f#$%er:

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The Other Prisoners By Luke Harding The Guardian U.K. Thursday 20 May 2004 Most of the coverage of abuse at Abu Ghraib has focused on male detainees. But what of the five women held in the jail, and the scores elsewhere in Iraq? The scandal at Abu Ghraib prison was first exposed not by a digital photograph but by a letter. In December 2003, a woman prisoner inside the jail west of Baghdad managed to smuggle out a note. Its contents were so shocking that, at first, Amal Kadham Swadi and the other Iraqi women lawyers who had been trying to gain access to the US jail found them hard to believe. The note claimed that US guards had been raping women detainees, who were, and are, in a small minority at Abu Ghraib. Several of the women were now pregnant, it added. The women had been forced to strip naked in front of men, it said. The note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame. Late last year, Swadi, one of seven female lawyers now representing women detainees in Abu Ghraib, began to piece together a picture of systemic abuse and torture perpetrated by US guards against Iraqi women held in detention without charge. This was not only true of Abu Ghraib, she discovered, but was, as she put it, "happening all across Iraq". In November last year, Swadi visited a woman detainee at a US military base at al-Kharkh, a former police compound in Baghdad. "She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped," Swadi says. "Several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.'" Astonishingly, the secret inquiry launched by the US military in January, headed by Major General Antonio Taguba, has confirmed that the letter smuggled out of Abu Ghraib by a woman known only as "Noor" was entirely and devastatingly accurate. While most of the focus since the scandal broke three weeks ago has been on the abuse of men, and on their sexual humilation in front of US women soldiers, there is now incontrovertible proof that women detainees - who form a small but unknown proportion of the 40,000 people in US custody since last year's invasion - have also been abused. Nobody appears to know how many. But among the 1,800 digital photographs taken by US guards inside Abu Ghraib there are, according to Taguba's report, images of a US military policeman "having sex" with an Iraqi woman. Taguba discovered that guards have also videotaped and photographed naked female detainees. The Bush administration has refused to release other photographs of Iraqi women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts (although it has shown them to Congress) - ostensibly to prevent attacks on US soldiers in Iraq, but in reality, one suspects, to prevent further domestic embarrassment. Earlier this month it emerged that an Iraqi woman in her 70s had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib and another coalition detention centre after being arrested last July. Labour MP Ann Clwyd, who investigated the case and found it to be true, said, "She was held for about six weeks without charge. During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey." In Iraq, the existence of photographs of women detainees being abused has provoked revulsion and outrage, but little surprise. Some of the women involved may since have disappeared, according to human rights activists. Professor Huda Shaker al-Nuaimi, a political scientist at Baghdad University who is researching the subject for Amnesty International, says she thinks "Noor" is now dead. "We believe she was raped and that she was pregnant by a US guard. After her release from Abu Ghraib, I went to her house. The neighbours said her family had moved away. I believe she has been killed." Honour killings are not unusual in Islamic society, where rape is often equated with shame and where the stigma of being raped by an American soldier would, according to one Islamic cleric, be "unbearable". The prospects for rape victims in Iraq are grave; it is hardly surprising that no women have so far come forward to talk about their experiences in US-run jails where abuse was rife until early January. One of the most depressing aspects of the saga is that, unaccountably, the US military continues to hold five women in solitary confinement at Abu Ghraib, in cells 2.5m (8ft) long by 1.5m (5ft) wide. Last week, the military escorted a small group of journalists around the camp, where hundreds of relatives gather every day in a dusty car park in the hope of news. The prison is protected by guard towers, an outer fence topped with razor wire, and blast walls. Inside, more than 3,000 Iraqi men are kept in vast open courtyards, in communal brown tents exposed to dust and sun. (Last month, nearly 30 detainees were killed in two separate mortar attacks on the prison; about a dozen survivors are still in the hospital wing, shackled to their beds with leather belts.) As our bus pulled up, the men ran towards the razor wire. They unfurled banners and T-shirts that read: "Why are we here?" "When are you going to do something about this scandal?" "We cannot talk freely." The women, however, are kept in another part of the prison, cellblock 1A, together with 19 "high-value" male detainees. It is inside this olive-painted block, which leads into a courtyard of shimmering green saysaban trees and pink flowering shrubs, that the notorious photographs of US troops humiliating Iraqi prisoners were taken, many of them on the same day, November 8, 2003. A wooden interrogation shed is a short stroll away. As we arrived at the cellblock, the women shouted to us through the bars. An Iraqi journalist tried to talk to them; a female US soldier interrupted and pushed him away. The windows of the women's cells have been boarded up; birds nest in the outside drainpipe. Captain Dave Quantock, now in charge of prisoner detention at Abu Ghraib, confirmed that the women prisoners are in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day. They have no entertainment; they do have a Koran. Since the scandal first emerged there is general agreement that conditions at Abu Ghraib have improved. A new, superior catering company now provides the inmates' food, and all the guards involved in the original allegations of abuse have left. Nevertheless, there remain extremely troubling questions as to why these women came to be here. Like other Iraqi prisoners, all five are classified as "security detainees" - a term invented by the Bush administration to justify the indefinite detention of prisoners without charge or legal access, as part of the war on terror. US military officials will only say that they are suspected of "anti-coalition activities". Two of the women are the wives of high-ranking and absconding Ba'ath party members; two are accused of financing the resistance; and one allegedly had a relationship with the former head of Iraq's secret police, the Mukhabarat. The women, in their 40s and 50s, come from Kirkuk and Baghdad; none has seen their families or children since their arrest earlier this year. According to Swadi, who managed to visit Abu Ghraib in late March, the allegations against the women are "absurd". "One of them is supposed to be the mistress of the former director of the Mukhabarat. In fact, she's a widow who used to own a small shop. She also worked as a taxi driver, ferrying children to and from kindergarten. If she really had a relationship with the director of the Mukhabarat, she would scarcely be running a kiosk. These are baseless charges," she adds angrily. "She is the only person who can provide for her children." The women appear to have been arrested in violation of international law - not because of anything they have done, but merely because of who they are married to, and their potential intelligence value. US officials have previously acknowledged detaining Iraqi women in the hope of convincing male relatives to provide information; when US soldiers raid a house and fail to find a male suspect, they will frequently take away his wife or daughter instead. The International Committee of the Red Cross, whose devastating report on human rights abuses of Iraqi prisoners was delivered to the government in February but failed to ring alarm bells, says the problem lies with the system. "It is an absence of judicial guarantees," says Nada Doumani, spokesperson for the ICRC. "The system is not fair, precise or properly defined." During her visit to Abu Ghraib in March, one of the prisoners told Swadi that she had been forced to undress in front of US soldiers. "The Iraqi translator turned his head in embarrassment," she said. The release of detainees, meanwhile, appears to be entirely arbitrary: three weeks ago one woman prisoner who spoke fluent English and who had been telling her guards that she would sue them was suddenly released. "They got fed up with her," another lawyer, Amal Alrawi, says. Last Friday, about 300 male prisoners were freed from Abu Ghraib, the first detainees to be released since the abuse scandal first broke. A further 475 are due to be released tomorrow, although it is not clear if any of the women will be among them. General Geoffery Miller, who is responsible for overhauling US military jails in Iraq, has promised to release 1,800 prisoners across Iraq "within 45 days". Some 2,000 are likely to remain behind bars, he says. Iraqi lawyers and officials aredemanding that the US military hands the prisons over to Iraqi management on June 30, when the coalition transfers limited powers to a UN-appointed caretaker Iraqi government. Last week, Miller said "negotiations" with Iraqi officials were ongoing. Relatives who gathered outside Abu Ghraib last Friday said it was common knowledge that women had been abused inside the jail. Hamid Abdul Hussein, 40, who was there hoping to see his brother Jabar freed, said former detainees who had returned to their home town of Mamudiya reported that several women had been raped. "We've know this for months," he said. "We also heard that some women committed suicide." While the abuse may have stopped, the US military appears to have learned nothing from the experience. Swadi says that when she last tried to visit the women at Abu Ghraib, "The US guards refused to let us in. When we complained, they threatened to arrest us."

Source: The Guardian

Could you also buy a ticket and fly over to Austin so I could knock some of your fucking teeth out? I'd like to show you just how batshit crazy I can be. Having studies Chin Na and kung fu for a while, perhaps I also show you how easy it is to rip out someone's collar bone?

I didn't say I doubted that it happened, I said I doubted that it was part of systemic indoctrination led by the pointy end in washington. I don�t think that any of the pen-pushers or those with stars on their shoulders gave their tacit approval for the rape of women and children as part of their intelligence-gathering techniques.

More likely, this is just another example of what grunts of armies do when they're at war

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Could you also buy a ticket and fly over to Austin so I could knock some of your fucking teeth out? I'd like to show you just how batshit crazy I can be. Having studies Chin Na and kung fu for a while, perhaps I also show you how easy it is to rip out someone's collar bone?

or you could come here and visit the club that i DJ at and i'll have my friends that were studying martial arts before you were born take care of you.

Fat lot of use your dojo-learned techniques are in the "land of the free to own any gun I wish". but good to see where your head is at the moment mate. go see a doctor

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I didn't say I doubted that it happened, I said I doubted that it was part of systemic indoctrination led by the pointy end in washington. I don�t think that any of the pen-pushers or those with stars on their shoulders gave their tacit approval for the rape of women and children as part of their intelligence-gathering techniques. More likely, this is just another example of what grunts of armies do when they're at war or you could come here and visit the club that i DJ at and i'll have my friends that were studying martial arts before you were born take care of you. Fat lot of use your dojo-learned techniques are in the "land of the free to own any gun I wish". but good to see where your head is at the moment mate. go see a doctor

Ok, apparently you've got pretty thin skin. The point was to demonstrate the difference between batshit crazy and what's not batshit crazy. Looks like you got that bit by now.

hahaha. sorry, my mistake. i thought you really had lost it!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahaha. sorry, my mistake. i thought you really had lost it!

LOL, it's all good mate. You should know that I lost it the day I was born j/k.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahaha. sorry, my mistake. i thought you really had lost it!

But yes, it is a good documentary. It kind of summarized all the stuff me, Occ, and Opus have been posting / dicussing on the forums in just a couple hrs (or however long it is).

Great, this video just ruined the happy day i was having and made me angry. But yes, all of this has been covered before no? I guess this is from a different angle.

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