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I think this is where the future of electronic music is heading...

Band/DJ hybrids like Hot Chip, Junior Boys, and whoever these guys are (which I never heard of until someone else made a thread about them). The lines between being a dj and being a band are really being blurred

It'll be a hipster paradise

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Originally posted by Guest Band/DJ hybrids like Hot Chip, Junior Boys, and whoever these guys are (which I never heard of until someone else made a thread about them). The lines between being a dj and being a band are really being blurred It'll be a hipster paradise

Trentemoller live, Apparat live, etc.

I'm convinced the future is in hardware for top producers because it has really something more while bedroom producers will stick to software.

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Originally posted by Guest It'll be a hipster paradise

God help us...

I'll probably get a lot of flak for saying this, but I don't care much for most of these "hybrid" sort of live acts that people to be so big on lately, though I enjoy Trentemoller. I especially don't understand the seemingly universal sentiment that live playing and "real instruments" somehow automatically make for a better musical experience.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I'll probably get a lot of flak for saying this, but I don't care much for most of these "hybrid" sort of live acts that people to be so big on lately, though I enjoy Trentemoller. I especially don't understand the seemingly universal sentiment that live playing and "real instruments" somehow automatically make for a better musical experience.

Ya I'm not saying its better or worse. But its alot easier to get mainstreamers to see a band than it is a dj.

The thing that made me post this was when I saw that Junior Boys did a dj mix on Get Physical. I'm like wtf

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I especially don't understand the seemingly universal sentiment that live playing and "real instruments" somehow automatically make for a better musical experience.

I guess that only applies when you are actually there to see someone live, then it's worth the experience, better or worse it's live.

I don't know if this is the future of electronic music because there always were live project appearances from Underworld, Orbital, F.S.O.L, Fluke (i guess?),The Prodigy, The Chemical Brothers. Electronic projects like Trentemoller, Apparat and stuff just continue this theme. I also personally love the neo-electronic-shoegaze stuff like M83, Maps and Ulrich Schnauss which actually make shoegaze-rock by means of modern electronic apparatus (maybe i'll try to make such music in the near future heh).


I personally love the interactive rock-electronic thing, or the electronic thing made in more organic, live, hardware ways. Look at this other thread with the Field-!!! collaboration. You can hear how the loops of The Field gain in dynamism and power when accompanied by the live rock quitars and drums of !!! and how the whole music somehow takes life of its own. Also take a look in the followed clip demonstrating the post-rock/electronica project El Ten Eleven playing one of their tracks.


El Ten Eleven - "My Only Swerving"





Notice that all quitars/bass come from the guy with the quitar who plays a line then loops it with a loop-pedal and so-on (whereas all drums and synths come from the drummer who at one moment plays the kicks, snares and the synth at the same time!). Quite multi-tasking and amazig (by the way,all of their first album was amazing. This was one was one of their weakest songs IMO).


Why don't EDM producers play in this way? Like play a synth-line then loop it live and so-on, perhaps create a track in one take (with the help of a studio engineer)! I guess that most of them are not musically very cable? Instead, they are all very busy sitting in front of their software sequencers, cutting and pasting their 8-note riffs and increasing the cut-off filter in the build-up, damn them!

Already made a post about these in the other thread, here are some of their tracks. Kinda fits the hybrid jazzband/"DJ"-description. Couldn't find anything of them live, but I've seen them twice and they rock it.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfV9...feature=related

i've got to echo petran here


this is not the future, it is a return the past.

this is the origins of electronic dance music. if you think there is anything new out there you're either mistaken or very lucky to have heard something special





the future is forsaken unfortunately.

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Originally posted by nefardec i've got to echo petran here this is not the future, it is a return the past. this is the origins of electronic dance music. if you think there is anything new out there you're either mistaken or very lucky to have heard something special the future is forsaken unfortunately.

It will evolve into something a little more complex then what people used in the past and what people are using now, obviously.

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Originally posted by Guest Band/DJ hybrids like Hot Chip, Junior Boys, and whoever these guys are (which I never heard of until someone else made a thread about them). The lines between being a dj and being a band are really being blurred It'll be a hipster paradise

How is that the future when it's been happening since the 80's (Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, World Class Wrecking Cru, etc.)?



And almost all of those "bands/live acts" are great as "bands/live acts" - but have you ever heard a Hot Chip DJ set?

Wretched.

I've always enjoyed live acts, but personally, they don't represent the core spirit of anonymity in dance music that always appealed to me. They're a thousand times more entitled to recognition than superstar DJs, but I like hours of faceless music over orchestrated shows.

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Originally posted by RJT How is that the future when it's been happening since the 80's (Newcleus, Egyptian Lover, World Class Wrecking Cru, etc.)? And almost all of those "bands/live acts" are great as "bands/live acts" - but have you ever heard a Hot Chip DJ set? Wretched.

Who cares about dj-sets? The purpose of these live p.a.s is exactly this, to give life performances (like bands), not to dj. Thank god we have enough djs for that already, the last thing we need is more djs FFS. I would like to go and see Apparat perform live for his awesome music , not for another house/techno set.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Who cares about dj-sets? The purpose of these live p.a.s is exactly this, to give life performances (like bands), not to dj. Thank god we have enough djs for that already, the last thing we need is more djs FFS. I would like to go and see Apparat perform live for his awesome music , not for another house/techno set.

Apparently the people booking them to play DJ sets, certainly not me.

But way to miss the point entirely. Seriously, trying for a perfect season this year?

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Originally posted by PETRAN Who cares about dj-sets?

Promoters do b/c they can get the same names at a cheaper cost as performing acts/bands costs substantially more (even if it is the same person/act)

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Originally posted by Ben Brown Promoters do b/c they can get the same names at a cheaper cost as performing acts/bands costs substantially more (even if it is the same person/act)

That is not necessarily true. A 1 hour live act is sometimes less expensive than a 4-5-6 hours DJ set. But I understand your point.

And to the original poster, kraftwerk did in the 70's

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Originally posted by Ben Brown Promoters do b/c they can get the same names at a cheaper cost as performing acts/bands costs substantially more (even if it is the same person/act)

Yes, but then i guess that the ticket would be more expensive for the case of live band...if that was the case there wouldn't be any live performances since all these names would just dj...

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Originally posted by julien2 That is not necessarily true. A 1 hour live act is sometimes less expensive than a 4-5-6 hours DJ set. But I understand your point. And to the original poster, kraftwerk did in the 70's

I think Ben has a pretty good idea what he's talking about.

And I wasn't under the impression that the majority of these groups were doing extended DJ sets - most of the nights they've played in Chicago/Milwaukee their sets have been pretty brief (at least from my admittedly limited understanding).

like Justice? lol

I also agree with Petran's first reply and just can add:

Never heard of FAITHLESS???

On stage they have been doing this for years at festivals.

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Originally posted by RJT I think Ben has a pretty good idea what he's talking about.

I think Julien's right, though - you won't get a band playing a seven hour DJ set, so it sort of balances out if you're a bean-counter.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT It will evolve into something a little more complex then what people used in the past and what people are using now, obviously.

hmm i think that's subjective. what's so complex about a guy playing clips in ableton, for instance? It's like the AOL of live PA. or do you mean the music itself?


THIS is complex.



http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d/t-466974.html

I suppose we'll see more complex music but even so I think there needs to be a cultural paradigm shift before it becomes 'the future' of EDM. people are just too stuck on the pop paradigm

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Originally posted by nefardec I suppose we'll see more complex music but even so I think there needs to be a cultural paradigm shift before it becomes 'the future' of EDM. people are just too stuck on the pop paradigm

Precisely.

I think this recent "rediscovery" of the greatness of bands and performers within EDM (wow, now we can do the live rock star thing, too!) is kind of weird.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Precisely. I think this recent "rediscovery" of the greatness of bands and performers within EDM (wow, now we can do the live rock star thing, too!) is kind of weird.

yeah if anything i think that mindset is regressive


and on the other hand you have Girl Talk, who revels in how little of a musician he is.

(what the fuck is he doing at DEMF?)

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Originally posted by RJT And almost all of those "bands/live acts" are great as "bands/live acts" - but have you ever heard a Hot Chip DJ set? Wretched.

I've never been to / seen a Hot Chip DJ set but I thought their essential mix was great.

To repeat what everyone has said: Live/electronic fusions are as old as the hills and pretty damn regressive.

In fact, my prediction for the future direction of electronic music would be summarised as "the death of the song". Tracks as coherent, complete pieces of music with defined boundaries are over. DJs won't buy tracks anymore, they'll buy melodies, beats and vocals seperately. Hawtin was talking recently about the idea of selling a hi-hat pattern which a DJ could integrate with any track. The future is fragmentation.

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