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eurotrance recommendations

Hellllo.
would anyone like to recommend some eurotrance?
i don't know any
thanks !

wat exactly is eurotrance? i wonder, i have heard the term before but dont no the characteristics of this sub-genre

do a search. there are LOADZ of eurotrance threads

Deadmau5

Daft Punk

I know you are, but what am I?

/Bart

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Originally posted by DuBam I know you are, but what am I? /Bart

Mogwai?




Aly and Fila Tranceworld-2 (complilation)

Not again...

So you mean the combination between hardtrance and eurodance? Then also look for Happy Hardcore, easy to find.

Re: eurotrance recommendations

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Originally posted by buzzking Hellllo. would anyone like to recommend some eurotrance? i don't know any thanks !

Do you mean European Trance by the likes of Above & Beyond, Paul Van Dyk, and Armin Van Buuren? Or do you mean Euro-trance by the likes of Lasgo, Cascada, and DJ Sammy?

Re: Re: eurotrance recommendations

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Originally posted by CHRles Do you mean European Trance by the likes of Above & Beyond, Paul Van Dyk, and Armin Van Buuren? Or do you mean Euro-trance by the likes of Lasgo, Cascada, and DJ Sammy?

i'm most certain he's referring to the latter. i hate that garbage.

None, if you mean "eurocheese" like Cascada, etc. It's all a bunch of cockadookie.

peran van dijk - good time

Try some albums called Remixland, Clubfanatix, Tunnel Trance Force or Future Trance

yeeah.
I meant european trance.
I'm looking for songs with a good melody.
I like COSMIC GATE- EXPLORATION OF SPACE

Lightforce - Join Me

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Originally posted by buzzking yeeah. I meant european trance. I'm looking for songs with a good melody. I like COSMIC GATE- EXPLORATION OF SPACE

So do you like this?

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Originally posted by PETRAN

LOL.

Ugh.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles LOL. Ugh.

I meant the octopus lol.




I like the melody of the track.

It works okay as a melody, I guess.

It's ruined for me by the utterly bland and tired arrangement and use of synths and percussion, though.

I'd really like to know the thought processes of these people who are still hacking away at the same damn idea after it's been beaten to death for ten years.

Are they just so "brainwashed" by soaking themselves in so much of this stuff that they think anything else sounds "unprofessional?" I'm trying to think of an analogy here...

It's like a group of painters who found a great painting by Michelangelo -- and then decided to use the exact same colors to paint the exact same subject in almost the exact same way -- again and again -- but with a few slight variations here and there. It just doesn't sound like it could be enjoyable to me.

Eh, whatever.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It works okay as a melody, I guess. It's ruined for me by the utterly bland and tired arrangement and use of synths and percussion, though. I'd really like to know the thought processes of these people who are still hacking away at the same damn idea after it's been beaten to death for ten years. Are they just so "brainwashed" by soaking themselves in so much of this stuff that they think anything else sounds "unprofessional?" I'm trying to think of an analogy here... It's like a group of painters who found a great painting by Michelangelo -- and then decided to use the exact same colors to paint the exact same subject in almost the exact same way -- again and again -- but with a few slight variations here and there. It just doesn't sound like it could be enjoyable to me. Eh, whatever.

I totally agree with you. I mean i liked the melody because i imagined it get played by a violin or a piano or something (i do it sometimes with music, when i listen to a track i imagine the same elements of the track get played by different instruments and/or in different ways and somehow in this way i can feel very moved by the music...crazy eh?). It disturbs me as well that this guy used the samey-same supra-tiring saw lead-line to deliver it, plus the completely useless drum-beat adds to the boredom. Its very strange that some of these guys have nice melodic ideas yet they use the same synths. Its been over 10 years right? These "big" tracks exist from 1997 if i'm not mistaken (although they were less complex i guess but it doesn't matter really. Its the same formula/structure/sounds).

Why is that, i have the same question myself. I guess that when a musical structure is created, it becomes the frame of reference for all other musicians and hence they "follow" the pattern. Like in mainstream rock music and the verse-chorus-played-with-distorted-electric-quitars structure. I just have the impression that this, after 10 years, still sounds very same. I would not just say "same", but maybe identical. I don't know really.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It works okay as a melody, I guess. It's ruined for me by the utterly bland and tired arrangement and use of synths and percussion, though. I'd really like to know the thought processes of these people who are still hacking away at the same damn idea after it's been beaten to death for ten years. Are they just so "brainwashed" by soaking themselves in so much of this stuff that they think anything else sounds "unprofessional?" I'm trying to think of an analogy here... It's like a group of painters who found a great painting by Michelangelo -- and then decided to use the exact same colors to paint the exact same subject in almost the exact same way -- again and again -- but with a few slight variations here and there. It just doesn't sound like it could be enjoyable to me. Eh, whatever.

Hmmmm, to compare: So rock music also gets ruined because they use electrical guitars for 50 years? I don't get it why trance always needs to change into something new. Personally I think that from a technical point of view not much can be invented when looking at new sounds. Maybe that's why nothing really new is produced anymore, or at least it looks that way.
I don't think it has anything to do with brainwashed, nor with unprofessional, just with taste. Sometime taste can change in lets says 3 years, sometimes it can take 15 years.
Most cars still have 4 wheels and 1 engine.

It's also really frustrating because I'm sure a lot of these guys have some real talent -- at the very least a talent for constructing melodies. Someone needs to get a message through to them:

Hey, look! There's a whole world of other possible sounds and arrangements out there!

Another thought:

I'm 33 and can conclude my taste didn't change much for the past 10 years, because I still like the posted track.
How old are most producers these days? If they are between 30-40 this could explain things. Their taste also didn't change much. Of course I could be wrong and some people get borred sooner then others.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Hmmmm, to compare: So rock music also gets ruined because they use electrical guitars for 50 years? I don't get it why trance always needs to change into something new. Personally I think that from a technical point of view not much can be invented when looking at new sounds. Maybe that's why nothing really new is produced anymore, or at least it looks that way. I don't think it has anything to do with brainwashed, nor with unprofessional, just with taste. Sometime taste can change in lets says 3 years, sometimes it can take 15 years. Most cars still have 4 wheels and 1 engine.

You have a point. Its the musical "frame of reference" that often provides the norm for all other musicians to conform to that sound.


So, i guess that you have a point, BUT, problem is that whilst rock is made in similar ways, i can still easily distinquish between a punk-rock tune made in 1977 and a post-punk-rock-tune made in 1988. The vocal-style, the distortions used in the quitar, the assistance from other organs (e.g. 1987 tunes had many synths whereas 1977 were more "dry"-sounding) the style of playing and the overall production style is very different between the two periods.

Now, sometimes you can't distinquish if an epic-trance tune comes from 2008 or 1998. Well, i guess that the tune that comes from 2008 would have a more clinical, crystal-clear production but other than that, they would sound similar in almost every respect. It is rather usual that some trance tunes are made like 3 years before they get signed. This is a bit strange isn't it?

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Hmmmm, to compare: So rock music also gets ruined because they use electrical guitars for 50 years?

I don't give a crap if someone uses a supersaw. Apparently you don't understand this, so I'll make it clearer:

I'm not ragging on people simply for reusing a few sounds here and there. Every producer does that to some extent.

I am ragging on these idiots for using the same sound in the exact same way again and again and again and again.

It's not just that they're "not doing new things," although that is definitely part of it. It's the mind-numbing lack of variety in the production aesthetic, arrangement, and techniques of some people that really gets to me -- astounds me.

I jokingly posted an "anthem trance tutorial" in a thread in the Production Forum recently:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Here you go: Write the track in a minor key, preferably A Minor or E Minor since that's what lots of people use. Your intro will be 128 measures long. Add a new sound every 8 or 16 measures. For the intro, you'll mostly be adding new percussion sounds at first -- hi hats, snare or clap, random nondescript unpitched sounds, etc. After around 32 measures, start to introduce a few melodic sounds (some arpeggios are good) or maybe a light pad. Then at 61 measures, leave out the kick for four measures and do some kind of noise-buildup thing to generate a little tension. When the 64th measure has passed (i.e. at the 65th measure), bring the kick back in and introduce the bassline. Somewhere between measure 64 and measure 128, you'll introduce your "lead." Your "lead" will be a sound called the "supersaw." A supersaw is made by detuning seven sawtooth waves slightly different from one another so that you get a big kind of "airy" sound. When you first introduce the supersaw, the filter cutoff should be low. When measure 128 has finished, you cut out all or most of the percussion and also most of the melodic sounds. This is called the "breakdown." At this point you'll probably want to put in a big pad sound, which will also be a supersaw. You might put in a soft "aah" choirish sound as well. While this is happening, the filter cutoff on your pad and lead sounds should be low. As the breakdown progresses, you should raise the filter cutoff gradually while repeating your main melody (anthem) over and over again. How long the breakdown goes on for is up to you, but in order to make an epic anthem track you must make the breakdown at least one minute long. Preferably two to three minutes so your track will seem really "epic" indeed. And if you want your track to be even more epic, you can add some strings (open up Spectrasonics Atmosphere, voila!) and play a sentimental chord progression with some huge open position chords. After the breakdown, you should keep your lead playing at full force for at least 32 measures. After that, add another melodic sound or two for good measure. At some point you'll also need another breakdown, probably a little shorter than the first; but The Official SuperEpicTranceOMGCh00n Experts disagree on precisely what you should do after the first breakdown. And there you have it! Your introduction to anthem trance.

I was fooling around, but some producers don't take this as a joke -- it's their holy writ. And the techniques outlined are the extent of their idea of "trance." I don't know how anyone can not find that pathetic and disheartening.

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