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New track, again

NEW TRACK


Its another step for me to finally get close to creating trance.
Made with Reason 4.0, I utilized everything I knew how to work, and I used everything I could think of (Combinator, Delay, Reverb, Unison, Phaser, Thor [and alot of it ], Subtractor, RPG8, basically everything)

So tell me what you think
Its about 4 minutes, 30 seconds.
You can tell the start of the breakdown and end of the buildup, by like..hearing a windy-noise.

Anyways, its my fifth track, I asked my friend who is a DJ and he said he cant label the type of trance it is, but he said its definitly trance.

Sorry for the size of it, before you download, if any of the can tell me how to reduce the size of it without changing the sound quality, that would be amazing, because its pushing 45 megabytes.
Anyways, its uploading now, so if you know how to compress it or whatever, give me a heads up so I can give it to you guys.

Anyways its finally done uploadin
http://www.divshare.com/download/4490017-57e
Thats the site, so if any of you would be kind enough to give criticism to my rather large track file...that would be AMAZING.

Cheers.

Hah sorry for the third post, but this one is sorta crucial since it actually has the song...
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Hope you like it, remember Im a noob so dont -- me yet, lol.
Just criticism, and I can really improve.

Any thoughts?

Hello mate, although I'm very new to this forum, I think you'd get more replies if you uploaded it as an MP3. WAV's are huge and people might not have the time or bandwidth to download

I'm downloading it now, but I have to go out so I'll tell you what I think later

Sounds good.
Im gonna grab a bite to eat, and I will then head off to class.
See ya in a little bit.

Ok mate just had a listen.

First things first, the track is incredibly quiet. I had to turn my amp on full whack to actually hear it properly.

You have some nice melodic ideas, some that could make a really kicking tune but this is let down slightly by the monotonous drums. What are you using to lay down your beats?

Find some decent drum hits or loops and slow down one of your favourite tracks and listen to how the drums are formed, what hits they're using and how it fits together.

You obviously have musical ability so when you get the technical side of things sorted we should hear some nice tunes

Yeah, at the end of this post Im going to resubmit my newly mixed track (mixed as in, mixed with the master volume and EQ).

Thanks man. I guess knowing shit about music sorta helps you...make it have more starting potential than a starter. I make my drum beats with Redrum, I was told that the basic drum beat has a snare, a basedrum, a clap, and possibly hihats. So I heard its like, pardon my crappy diagram, but
BD S BD|C S BD S BD|C
Meaning, Basedrum Snare Basdrum and clap at the same time, then repeat.

Monotonous, meaning like, bland, not original, etc? If so, thats the case I am looking for. I want to make a cliche trance track to figure out what the backbone and structure is.

How do I mute out everything but the drums, and slow it down? Is there a program that does it for me? Or do I just have to train my ears.

Anyways, thanks for the compliments, Im still a beginner when it comes to Reason 4.0, so hopefully you guys have heard that, and see that in my post.

Anyways, this one here is the final one until further notice (meaning someone gives me advice or another form of criticism)
So please, tell me your thoughts when listening to it.

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Hey there,

You asked, because you said you where a noob, not to get whipped wright away. So I'll wait a little bit with that

You arrangement is not that bad, as mentioned before, you should really learn the technical aspects of producing. I can't hear any kind of kick at all.

Second, the sounds are a bit outdated. But for a beginner, I think you will get to understand how to do all this.

If I can give you a tip, seek the kind of style you like to create (that has already been released) and try to recreate that. In that way you will learn a lot by just recreating a song.

Also, find a decent drum sample set, I would really recommend the Vengeance Series.

Good luck and fun producing!!

Lol thanks

Ok, so I will obviously redo the levels in general on the final edition of the song. Thats what I KNOW I need and want to take care of.

Outdated sounds are a start, I think your trying to say that. I dont know how to sorta..make new sounds if thats what your trying to say. I know how to adjut the knobs to get them to what I want that synth to sound like, if that helps.

So what would a good, easy song to break down be for trance?
Do you think Spiral (mixed by) - Armin Van Buuren would be a good song to break down and study?

And where would I get that drum sample kit?
I dont have any money, so if its a refill that has to be paid, that sucks for me XD

Nowadays there are a lot of quality trance tracks that you can study. Just pick one you like

About the outdated sounds, maybe it would be interesting to get into sound synthesis, in that way you can learn how to create your own sound. If I am not wrong, there should be a tutorial on subtractive synthesis somewhere on TA.

Most of the (quality) drumsounds are to be payed for. But with if you search good, you might get some for free ...

So anything that I truly like will work fine.
Is there a program that I can use to slow down a song, possibly mute out melodies and vocals so I can hear drums, or other way around.

Subtractive synthesis, later tonight Ill look into it. Its 8:11 right now, and currently at school XD. Does it have anything to do with Subtractor patches in Reason?

Ahha I found a cool little refill called Nightclub Leads... I used two of them in that track. They were the starting melody and the melody in the breakdown (that sounded like a super-synth, not a trance synth) XD.

you have a couple of cool ideas here, but it does need a lot of work before it really is good.

but as youre saying yourself, your a noob.. and we've all made tracks like this hehe..

There is no way 'clear' the tracks from vocals or drums. Al these element contain certain frequencies and they overlap, so that isn't possible.

Subtractive synthesis has nothing to do with patches of the Subtractor in reason, altough the name does give a hint. Subtractive synthese is a sort of synthesis that a synthesizer (like Subtractor) uses to create sounds. Subtractive synthesis is all about filtering out the frequencies that you have created with the oscillators to create a certain sound.

By your questions I notice that you really are a beginner in EMP (electronic music production), but that doesn't matter, everybody has to start from scratch. Let me point you out in the right direction:

Basic tutorals about EMP
- http://www.nineteeneightyfour.net/t...ls/embasics.pdf
- http://www.mio.co.za/article.php?cat=&id=1175
- http://emusictips.com/

If you start reading these, you'll know much more of what EMP is about.

Good luck!

Ok, I think Ill just listen to the song with Blaze Media Pro (apparently that slows down the song, without changing the pitch)
Basically, I should note for:
1. intro length
2. breakdown/buildup length
3. outro length
4. what the basic drum pattern is throughout the song
5. what melody enters where, what does it sound like
6. what pad enters where, what it sounds like (clean, mellow, noisy, low)
7. effects on main synths, what effects being used? when being used?

is that basically the seven things I should look for?

And I will totally look at those when Im done with my homework tonight, thanks


-edit- Thanks DJ, I appreciate it. Quite a bit of people that I have good ideas, its not theoretically right. Im looking forward to my next two tracks. One of them Im working on now, and its going to be all Thor in reason. Another one will be after I analyzed about 5 of my favorite trance tracks.

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Originally posted by ******** It's not bad... but I'd like to see the plink or real guitar levels higher. It feels a little muddy or cloudy. so I'd work on eqing your specific channels a bit to thin out the instraments to give it a more channeled feel. boost the plink .. but otherwise good. a little more punch on the bass might be good also

Thanks. And I will do that and see how that sounds, thanks.
And for the muddiness, what instruments would I put through an EQ (I think I used EQs on every synth, so am I not using it right, or is that the problem that Im using too much EQ)

And for the punch, just raise the attack?

You must be careful with EQ-ing.. It is a very powerful tool that can help you to let your mix sound superb.. But it can also destroy the entire mix.

You should really get into reading about EQ (I know that's not really interesting but it can only help you).

Reason user here; I'd start off every track by putting the Mastering Combinator before the Mixer. That way you can Maximize, Compress and EQ the whole track way easier. I think that's why your track sounds so quiet. You need to maximize that shit ;]

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Originally posted by FromAbove Reason user here; I'd start off every track by putting the Mastering Combinator before the Mixer. That way you can Maximize, Compress and EQ the whole track way easier. I think that's why your track sounds so quiet. You need to maximize that shit ;]

I don't agree with that. You should never compress of EQ you the whole track, use compression on every different channel en EQ where needs to be, but never on the entire track, because with compression it could be that the 'silent' parts (breaks e.d.) are going to be pumped up in volume, and when the kick starts in, the compressor lowers the volume again. You need to be sure that every sounds in a track stays at the same level during the track.

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