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Posted by phyrrus on May-20-2008 06:44:

Justice bass lines

I read in an interview that Justice made their album "Cross" entirely on Cubase, but their sounds are so quality I cant get my head around them. their bass in particular is so crisp and punchy it almost sounds like a real bass player. how can I reproduce this kind of bass sound?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6zo1-XlazvY

Posted by echosystm on May-20-2008 07:52:

Re: Justice bass lines

quote:
Originally posted by phyrrus
made their album "Cross" entirely on Cubase, but their sounds are so quality

i'm going to ignore that you said this

you can do this kind of bass on any good synth, just put the output through an amp sim.

Posted by phyrrus on May-20-2008 08:02:

not sure if you're offended by the Cubase disrespect or because you think Justice sucks but thanks anyway. can Reason do this amp sim you speak of? maybe I should just mic my bass amp and play through that.

Posted by echosystm on May-20-2008 09:13:

quote:
Originally posted by phyrrus
not sure if you're offended by the Cubase disrespect

i'm not offended, you just made a retarded statement. especially considering what comes next:

quote:
Originally posted by phyrrus
can Reason do this amp sim you speak of?

no.

cubase can though... who would have thought?

Posted by Storyteller on May-20-2008 09:53:

Stop being such a bully man :P Not everybody knows as much as you do

Posted by tt_rossco on May-20-2008 10:03:

Yes, you should be able to recreate the sound fairly easily, the easiest way would be to find some bass guitar samples and load them into NNXT (im guessing you're using reason, going by your earlier post..... you may even find some in the reason sample library), then just play around with the ADSR and the filter to get that slappy edge to it.

as far as the amp sim effect. No reason at all why you can't get a similar sound in reason. just experiment with compression, small amounts of distortion, eq, maybe even a tiny bit of reverb with a very short tail, but not much.

And even if you don't end up with the exact same sound.... you'll probably find something different you like that you can use! The best inventions are the result of accidents.

Posted by echosystm on May-20-2008 11:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
Stop being such a bully man :P Not everybody knows as much as you do

i dont know much at all!
i just thought it was incredibly silly for someone (a reason user of all people heh.) to discredit a piece of software that someone uses based on zero experience whatsoever. cubase of all things? lol?!

Posted by tt_rossco on May-20-2008 11:13:

I dont think he was discrediting the software.... it depends on a few things...
the way i read it was that it was produced entirely in cubase (meaning.. using only cubase and what comes with it), which would be cause for being impressed with the quality of sounds.

You probably didnt need to be quiiite so hostile about it though

Posted by echosystm on May-20-2008 11:18:

perhaps i misinterpreted this. anyways, amp sims do this sound well. you can put almost any kind of bass through an amp sim and get something live-ish sounding with enough knob twiddling.

i have to say, to be honest phyrrus, you should really look into rewiring reason into another daw. reason is awesome for instruments, but it is very lacking when it comes to effects. maybe try reaper, it's very cheap.

Posted by tt_rossco on May-20-2008 11:21:

have you had much experience with amp sims??
if so... which ones would you suggest?

Posted by echosystm on May-20-2008 11:31:

quote:
Originally posted by tt_rossco
have you had much experience with amp sims??
if so... which ones would you suggest?

i've only used two of them; guitar rig and freeamp3. guitar rig is pretty cool, but quite expensive. freeamp is obviously freeware. to be honest, i think freeamp is great for most people. however, freeamp was made in synthedit. synthedit has a bug where you cant run more than one copy of it at once on a dual core cpu. i don't think this has been fixed.

Posted by Zombie0729 on May-20-2008 16:53:

there's no easy answer to your question. i think everyone heard the justice album and went "how in the f*** did they do that?"... you're def right that it is a bass guitar playing a slap style. that is a bit over driven with something like amplitube. however the grittyness comes from a synth with distortion on it... there is usually a bottom layer as well. youre best bet is to have 3-4 layers all heavily compressed together

Posted by phyrrus on May-20-2008 17:27:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
perhaps i misinterpreted this. anyways, amp sims do this sound well. you can put almost any kind of bass through an amp sim and get something live-ish sounding with enough knob twiddling.

i have to say, to be honest phyrrus, you should really look into rewiring reason into another daw. reason is awesome for instruments, but it is very lacking when it comes to effects. maybe try reaper, it's very cheap.

I already am rewiring into ableton 6. but the closest ableton comes is the "vinyl distortion" effect, which isn't very close at all.

quote:
there's no easy answer to your question. i think everyone heard the justice album and went "how in the f*** did they do that?"... you're def right that it is a bass guitar playing a slap style. that is a bit over driven with something like amplitube. however the grittyness comes from a synth with distortion on it... there is usually a bottom layer as well. youre best bet is to have 3-4 layers all heavily compressed together

I think I will take Zombie0729's suggestion and try a combination of everything, ie. slapping the shit out of a real bass guitar and layering a distorted synth over it.