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Posted by Pierro on May-20-2008 08:52:

Nice trick for your track ))

I'm sorry 4 my terrible English. But if you'll be able to understand... Here's nice trick to make your beat really 'trancy'. We'll try to make your beat according to the heartbeat ))) Forget about freaky samples of recorded human heartbeats. There's another way to resonance.

Do you know what is your heartbeat exactly? What cycles it has?

Here's simple timing of 75 bpm heartbeat cycles:

100 ms, 50 ms, 30 ms, 120 ms, 130 ms, 40 ms, 80 ms, 80 ms, 170 ms.

Every cycle has its own changin' bloodpressure parameter:

from 0 to 8, 8-12, 12-80, 80-120, 120-80, 80-70, 70-0, 0, 0.

So. Simple trance beat has stronger accent on first bassdrum hit. OK. Let's start our 'heart' beat from 120 ms period.

Generate simple sine wave -6 db 120 ms, from 80 Hz to 120 Hz log.Fade it out.
Generate simple sine wave -6 db 130 ms, from 120 Hz to 80 Hz log in the end of previous sample. Fade it out too.
Make these steps with numbers described above. Last wave should be -6 db 100 ms 0,01 sine.

Normalize it to maximum peak. Set loop tempo 75 BPM.


How to use this sample.

Match it to your track BPM.
In Fl I load this sample in beat slicer. You can use any slicer you have )

First. Add it to all length of your track. Sidechain it to ANY channel (it's better to mute 'heartbeat' itself to avoid unwanted low frequencies).

Second. Nice trick too. Use Beat Sliced (or ReCycle ) score of this sample as a timing template for your hats and percussion lines. Nice effect really ))


I hope u'll find it useful.


Posted by Pierro on May-20-2008 08:58:

Ouch... One more)) After normalizing. Change the volume of cycles according to 'blood pressure' parameter Use your brain how to )))


Posted by Vortex_SA on May-20-2008 10:43:

I find it very interesting, but im not quite sure what will it add to my music musically? or is it a technical tool ur suggesting?


Posted by Subtle on May-20-2008 10:56:

Ive heard something similar before, but that was that it already did follow the heartbeat at 140, if u were dancing like crazy or high on drugs.


Posted by Pierro on May-20-2008 11:31:

So... It's really just technical and rythmical tool. I guess there's a way to make 'heartlike' melody template. But I don't think it will be nice melody ))
Let's think how to... (thinkin' on the fly )))

Heartbeatin is low&very low frequences, isn't it?

Let's count it... in Hz. 75 BPM means that heartbeatin freq is 75/60=1,25 Hz. Am I right? So, that means (full heart cycle 0,8 sec):

1.100 ms, 0,15625 Hz
2.50 ms, 0,078125
3.30 ms, 0,046875
4.120 ms, 0,1875
5.130 ms, 0,203125
6.40 ms, 0,0625
7.80 ms, 0,125
8.80 ms, 0,125
9.170 ms 0,265625

We know that one octave transposing is mulipl. or div. note freq by 2. Is that OK?

So let's multiply it by 2 11 times to usual notes freq...

1.320 Hz - nearest note E4
2.160 Hz - nearest notes E3, D#3
3.96 Hz - G2
4.384 Hz - G4
5.416 Hz - G#4
6.128 Hz - B2,C3
7.256 Hz - B3, C3
8.256 Hz - B3, C3
9.544 Hz - C5, C#5

I can't try it right now)) I'll try it later )

(by the way. changing tempo will change tune )) 140 BPM first note will be D5 ))


Posted by Pierro on May-20-2008 11:34:

Subtle wrote

'Ive heard something similar before, but that was that it already did follow the heartbeat at 140, if u were dancing like crazy or high on drugs.'

No ))) Main idea is 'resonance'. Just like NLP )) Read Milton Erickson. I can't explain it in English sorry ((


Posted by Pierro on May-20-2008 12:53:

OK... I'll try 2 explain.

We like people similar to us. So it's one of many ways to be 'hypnotic' - to be similar to someone you want to hypnotize. (not to be monkey 4 xmple. Someone breathes mmm... 20 times per minute. If you'll... mmm... clap 4xmple 20 times per minute after a while you both will be in same rythm. There's amazing fact... If you'll still be clappin' and he'll be breathing ))) ... Still after while he'll breath in tempo YOU CLAP.

But. There is no necessity "to clap" same time to enter same rythm with another person. You can make it twice or even 1,5 clap for one breath move))) It has to be proportionally.

So. Theoretically. If we're listening 140 BPM heartbeat it doesn't mean our heart will be beating 140 times per minute ))) Our heart will find its own rythm that is more according&resounding to 140 BPM.


PS
Dammmm it... ))) This text above is really freaky I see )) But I'm learnin ))


Posted by Vortex_SA on May-20-2008 14:10:

i see where your going, but you explanation with all those ms, and hertz and stuff i didnt understand a thing... i think if ull post a sample maybe ull be more understood.


Posted by david.michael on May-20-2008 14:17:

Yeah, sound samples would be great... I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here.


Posted by Fledz on May-20-2008 14:49:

This intrigues me. Definitely post a sample mate, I'm keen to hear this effect.


Posted by CReddick on May-20-2008 17:12:

Can someone post some examples of with / without???


Posted by Pierro on May-20-2008 17:16:

Ok. I'll post it later. In a hour.

I'll make zipped flp. Just few minutes ))


Posted by Pierro on May-20-2008 17:50:

Sorry. It takes more time to upload ))

Ok. Here's one of the possible examples. Just short loop. Not perfect of course )))

Set the loop point at 9th bar and listen it looped 2-3 min.

Is there some interesting not usual pumpin' feelin'?

Turn on/off TS 404 bassline and subwoo.

Any questions.

http://depositfiles.com/files/5488226


Posted by david.michael on May-20-2008 18:27:

Well, I guess I just don't get it.


Posted by itsamemario on May-21-2008 18:16:

me neither


Posted by DigiNut on May-22-2008 02:35:

Re: Nice trick for your track ))

quote:
Originally posted by Pierro
Here's simple timing of 75 bpm heartbeat cycles:

100 ms, 50 ms, 30 ms, 120 ms, 130 ms, 40 ms, 80 ms, 80 ms, 170 ms.

Surely this isn't your actual heartbeat. I guess you're referring to various points on, for example, an ECG, where specific events are occurring?

Even so, there's nothing here to suggest any logical relationship between the cardiac cycle and musical rhythms, aside from the very vague notion of timing. Maybe I'm just a cynic but I don't really see what this process achieves.


Posted by Pierro on May-22-2008 03:41:

2 DigiNut. Sure. It's not actual heartbeat.

Reffering... Look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_cycle

But this article is without numbers

This article has nubers... But it's in Russian )) :

Wiki

"there's nothing here to suggest any logical relationship between the cardiac cycle and musical rhythms"

There're so many things... without any logical relationship



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