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Mixing into or out of Beatless Tracks
what are some of the ways you mix into or out of beatless tracks? do you still 'beatmatch' or do you just fade in/out?
Thanks in advance.
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| Originally posted by Search&Rescue what are some of the ways you mix into or out of beatless tracks? do you still 'beatmatch' or do you just fade in/out? Thanks in advance. |
Are you talking about ambient tracks, or just ones with no beat in the intro which kick in later?
If it's the latter, it depends how I'd want to do it but generally I'd just skip through to where the beat kicks in and start it from there. One thing you can do is once you've cued it up normally from the start of the beat, you can whack the deck into reverse and play back say 8 bars from the first beat (i.e. going backwards through the beatless intro) then start it from there - then you know your beat will kick in 8 bars later, with any luck being bang in time.
If you are talking about entirely ambient tracks, it would have to totally depend on the tracks and how you want your mix to come across... generally fading in and out will work fine because they tend to have long pad sections at the start and end.
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| Originally posted by Beat Blog Beatmatching in a beatless track? That's right up there with the waterproof teabag. |
I've a lil' mix I'm putting together where I basically fade into a Chicane track...
I'd say that what you do really depends on what environment you're playing in...If you're just making a bedroom mix, fade ins and outs are acceptable, but in a performance environment, beatmatch it.
...imho of course 
use the metronome (in your head). it gets better with time. if you have a djm800 you can tap the effects tap button with the beat of the song that is about to become beatless and keep an eye on the blinking button while doing the metronome in your head. all you have to do is drop the next track on beat with the metronome in your head... lol
I was talking about ambient tracks. for example, Chymera - Umbrella (Beatless Mix)
and I didn't mean 'beatmatching' literally but would you still match them in phrase or not. 
so using the fading in/out technique, I guess the transitions will have to be shorter than usual...15-30 seconds?
nem i believe has a couple ambient or chill mixes, try PMing him
as far as i understand it's just a matter of fading them properly
Can someone post a youtube of these so called "beatless" tracks?
Pretty sure they're referring to ambient tracks...stuff like Chain Reaction - heavy synth washes that are laid out in 4/4 time, sans percussion.
beat =/= kick
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| Originally posted by Darkarbiter Can someone post a youtube of these so called "beatless" tracks? |
Just because a song doesn't have a kick doesn't mean you can't determine the tempo of it. It really does take a lot of practice but after a while you should be able to get it down. If there are hi-hats or something repetitive going on in the track then use them. Otherwise, good luck and have fun. You can do it!
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| Originally posted by david.michael Just to be Devil's Advocate.... http://www.youtube.com/v/cqP0WNpojFM&hl http://www.youtube.com/v/dQHjGGQgVcA&hl http://www.youtube.com/v/k-rqOJDo0-8&hl http://www.youtube.com/v/80fE63zIgyg&hl |
Was it the last one? I was most "iffy" about it.
It was the first one. A Radiohead song, the time signature is 4/4 and the tempo is approximately 105 beats per minute. I haven't looked at any of the rest.
Upon second listen....It sounds like they snap it to 4/4 eventually. But initially, I don't think it has a definable time signature. If it is, it's not 4/4. Try to tap it or set a metronome to it.
Though, that could just be defined as "playing expressively" I suppose.
The drums just come in it doesn't change. To prove this to myself I walked over to my drumset and started jamming in 4/4 time at approximately 105 beats per minute to the instrumental part.
Something really seems like it changes between the (beginning of the) intro and when the drums are playing. Maybe it's just tempo variations. I can hear it in time signature now, but it doesn't seem to be 4/4 to me. Meh, oh well.
Scratch that, I can sense a time signature throughout now. But I just can't wrap my head around that it's 4/4 in this example.
Triple post 
Interestingly enough, there is some debate to the time signature of this piece.
It seems to be in 16/8, which seems to be more along the lines of what I was thinking... however...
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the 16/8 meter does not account for (a) the phrasing of the song's lyrics, (b) the stress pattern of drums, bass, and other instruments, and (c) the piano's chord changes (especially in the F#min -- E9 section). A pattern of 6/8, 10/8, 10/8, 6/8 appears to account for those additional features. Here is an attempt to display the relationship between chords, bars, and lyrics: |
either do it traditionally but use the melody, pads, or bassline to listen for the tempo, or you gotta figure out the bpm of the two tracks beforehand and cross your fingers that you dropped them at the right time.
if you would like, check out the mix in my sig, i mix in a "beatless" intro track from a 125ish bpm tech house number by mixing into/out of a breakdown in both tracks. they also were in the same key which made the transition sound a whole lot smoother.
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| Originally posted by david.michael Triple post Interestingly enough, there is some debate to the time signature of this piece. It seems to be in 16/8, which seems to be more along the lines of what I was thinking... however... Neat. |
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| Originally posted by Zild Cool. My main point really is that all music has a beat whether or not we know the time signature or can figure out the tempo there really is not any such thing as "beatless" music. I was just watching that last piece you posted and it is fairly nuts. I am quite sure it has a few changes in signature and tempo, but I would not be able to tell you what they are without picking up the sheet music and looking at it. That quote you posted though explains how I thought it was 4/4 and you thought it was something else. If it goes 6/8 10/8 10/8 6/8 and then repeats that is basically a group of 32 eighth notes repeating. That is analogous to 16 quarter notes repeating which is would be 4 bars of 4/4 time at 105 BPM, however the 'feel' is a bit different since the eighth notes are getting the beat here instead of the quarter notes. |
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| Originally posted by Darkarbiter No tracks are truely beatless |
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