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STOP ESSO and help save the earth

Greenpeace has launched a campaign against ESSO.

They are the biggest polluters in the world, and they lobbied the American Government to pull out of the Kyoto Protocol. They did this to keep their profits high. The result, is increased global warming on our planet. They put their pocketbooks, over your future.

Esso contributed 5 times as much to the republican party than Enron.
They make the worlds dirtiest gas, 30 times dirtier than allowed by law in california.

You can read more about it here:

UK:
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/

USA:
http://www.stopesso.com/

Canada:
http://www.stopesso.ca/

Help save the planet.

erm... i love only hearing one side of the story. greenpeace? c'mon dude, im sorry... never trust anything from them or organizations like that. they only present their side of a story and twist it in a way as to make it even more wosre. for shame. know your sources.

maybe they should sue the U.S. the biggest polluters in the world, not some oil company.....

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Originally posted by cycloptor erm... i love only hearing one side of the story. greenpeace? c'mon dude, im sorry... never trust anything from them or organizations like that. they only present their side of a story and twist it in a way as to make it even more wosre. for shame. know your sources.

well, a valid point, that greenpeace is biased.

but, CNN is biased, the commercials you watch on TV are biased, in fact everyone is biased to their point of view.

the best way to find out the truth is to get your information from a VARIETY of sources, and form your own conclusions.

and since ESSO spends billions of dollars advertising their point, greenpeace has to be there to provide the counterpoint. greenpeace doesn't have the financial clout of ESSO, so they rely on grassroots activists to spread the word.

I'm not saying greenpeace is the best organization in the world, nor do they have all the answers.

but, if you think the mainstream media is.. well

I hope the wool is keeping your eyes nice and warm

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Originally posted by Blik maybe they should sue the U.S. the biggest polluters in the world, not some oil company.....

they aren't suing anyone. they are protesting outside of esso stations worldwide.

US, yes , the biggest polluter of the world, with BUSH getting out of that GLOBAL WARMING AGREEMENT , and his giving oportunities ffor companies like ESSO to make the world WORST ! !
STUPID BUSH !

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Originally posted by JohnSmith well, a valid point, that greenpeace is biased. but, CNN is biased, the commercials you watch on TV are biased, in fact everyone is biased to their point of view. the best way to find out the truth is to get your information from a VARIETY of sources, and form your own conclusions. and since ESSO spends billions of dollars advertising their point, greenpeace has to be there to provide the counterpoint. greenpeace doesn't have the financial clout of ESSO, so they rely on grassroots activists to spread the word. I'm not saying greenpeace is the best organization in the world, nor do they have all the answers. but, if you think the mainstream media is.. well I hope the wool is keeping your eyes nice and warm

nono...no wool over these eyes. all i ment is that you need to look at all types and sources of media, not just mainstream and not just underground. you need a healthy mix of all in order to get ll the facts.

and the fact is that while oil companies are big huge monoliths that hold a lot of power and get off with a lot of harm done, they are also backbones of the economy making it possible for a lot of things to exist (good and bad). but they are also looking at alternate fuel sources for the future. shell for instance is investing billions of dollars into hydrogen fuel cell research.

now look, i know i got off topic with that oil company rant there... the whole point of this point and my original point was. dont just look at one side of the story. you need a viriety of sources to get the entire picture.

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you need a viriety of sources to get the entire picture

yes, a variety of sources.. that's exactly what i said.
(except i spelled it right.)

anyhow, we are obviously on the same side of the fence on that one.

here is ESSO's point of view for conversations sake:
http://www.esso.co.uk/eaff/essouk/n.../response2.html

if you ask me it sounds like a pack of lies, that is the conclusion i have came to after looking at all the sources available to me. feel free to draw your own conclusions.

as for gas companies being a backbone of the economy, well, sure they are, but, how long will that last? and what cost are we paying for it? soon, this planet will be out of fossil fuels. think about that for a moment. it's not just oil and gas for our cars.

even if we aren't carelessly burning it for fuel, we will still need it.

all sort of things use fossil fuel, among the most important, lubrication oil(even windmills need lube), and PLASTIC.

geez, even my beloved records are made out of plastic!

not to mention that the global climate is increasing at a steady pace, and our protective bubble of ozone is eroding away at a faster rate everyday. i wonder about our children, will they even be able to go outside?

and finally, about shell.. yes they are developing fuel cells. this boycott is not against shell, it is against esso, because esso is NOT helping to make clean fuels. it is making fuel cells, but guess how they are filling them with energy? gasoline.

sorry, i tend to get fanactical about this, someone needs to take a stand.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith yes, a variety of sources.. that's exactly what i said. (except i spelled it right.)

awww...boo... i've only had 2 hours of sleep...gimme a break, i think im doing ok considering that

it's alright m8, we all have those day..

well, i am off for the weekend, cya!

*bump*

I have faith in the Biblical message which states that God will bring to an end those ruining the Earth.

Good song for this thread:
Kate Project - Better World

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Originally posted by LiquidX US, yes , the biggest polluter of the world, with BUSH getting out of that GLOBAL WARMING AGREEMENT , and his giving oportunities ffor companies like ESSO to make the world WORST ! ! STUPID BUSH !

stupid Bush??? check yourself b4 you break yourself fool.

>JM<

I like that you guys have presented both sides of the story here, it's all good. I think your right to attack esso/exxon and their destruction of nature, i think it's also important to take note of George Warmonger Bush's point of view on this, ie that he is just standing as a frontman for esso. Maybe next time TA's go to fill up their car they should think about choosing BP or Shell and also if you're in the states vote at the next election for someone who doesn't support the un-democratic interference an military intervention in soverign nations.... Ok, rant mode off, i was annoyed a little by the amature dj night tonight being canceled... :-)

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Originally posted by Juricimo stupid Bush??? check yourself b4 you break yourself fool. >JM<

bush. is. stupid.
don't make me prove it.

not to mention, as dynafire said, a warmonger.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith bush. is. stupid. don't make me prove it. not to mention, as dynafire said, a warmonger.

lol so true

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Originally posted by JohnSmith bush. is. stupid. don't make me prove it. not to mention, as dynafire said, a warmonger.

just as you might try to make points why he is stupid, i could do the same why he's not stupid. matter of opinion and personal belief.

Bush

>JM<

*sigh*

I really like you juricimo, i hope this doesn't sour our relationship together.

i told you not to make me prove it.

BUT, your president, George Bush, arguably the most powerful man on the planet, is an idiot.

He has people write his speeches for him, but really, he's not even bright enough to read them properly. he has phonetic pronunciations on there.

he pulled out of the kyoto protocol, so he could appease his rich oil buddies down in texas. selling out your future, increasing global warming

he bombed the shit out of a defensless country trying to get one man, who he is pretty sure committed the horrible attacks of septemeber 11th. now, thousands of innocent afghanis, including women and children are dead, and osama is nowhere to be found.

his troops even bombed 4 canadian soldiers to death.

now, i know that's not his fault directly, but.. i digress.

he did NOT even win the election, he is an illegitmate president.

He is as corrupt as they come, financed by tobbaco, oil, and pharmaceutical companies. He is merely a puppet for their global corporate power.

now, those are all the serious reasons.

if you want some funny ones, check out this site:
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/

now, please don't think i hate all americans, i don't. but i think your president needs to get his army the hell out of afghanistan.

that is all.

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Originally posted by Juricimo stupid Bush??? check yourself b4 you break yourself fool. >JM<

I bet im much smarter then HIM ! ! ! HE has no clue what his doing, and for him Global Warming is a THEORY ! ! WHAT A RETARD ! ! !

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Originally posted by JohnSmith *sigh* He is as corrupt as they come, financed by tobbaco, oil, and pharmaceutical companies. He is merely a puppet for their global corporate power.

I once read this interesting book all about the guys who had the power in the world, like leaders of the world, and about this group that the Author believed there was, called new World order maybe??? i just cant remember anyway, it made u tink bout it all, and who da flip was running this world

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Originally posted by Palivar I have faith in the Biblical message which states that God will bring to an end those ruining the Earth.

That i do believe

yes, i know about the NWO and not the wrestling group.

i think they are also know as the illuminati.

once you go into that stuff, you start bordering on flakiness, and people start to discount you, and lump you into the group with the cult of the starseed people.

but seriously.. the end of the world is coming, if you read the bible, it's all coming true.

there is nothing you can do but be ready to face your maker.

*puts back on the headphones*

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Originally posted by JohnSmith *sigh* I really like you juricimo, i hope this doesn't sour our relationship together.

nah,....i guess i overdid it with the "Bush - Thumb up" thing.....

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He has people write his speeches for him, but really, he's not even bright enough to read them properly. he has phonetic pronunciations on there.

aaahhhh....this dont make him an idiot.

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he pulled out of the kyoto protocol, so he could appease his rich oil buddies down in texas. selling out your future, increasing global warming

i'm not too up to date with the kyoto protocol, but i will comment on the global warming issue. there have been fluctuations in temps on planet earth for millions of years now, upward trends, then downward trends. the trend we are in now, could very easily be an upward trend, maybe/maybe not having to do with the greenhouse effect....still a theory.

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he bombed the shit out of a defensless country trying to get one man, who he is pretty sure committed the horrible attacks of septemeber 11th. now, thousands of innocent afghanis, including women and children are dead, and osama is nowhere to be found.

this one is gonna be hard. afganistan has been found to harbor terrorists. terrorists = bad. this is not a war against Afganistan, but a war against terrorism. Osama was not the only terrorist, but there are numerous terrorsts cells all over the world. Osama to my understanding is one of the terrorist leaders, with many others situated in the area of Afganistan. hence, the war to rid of the terrorists. yes, innocent ppl will die, that comes along with any war,....innocent ppl dying is not right. Effort to rid Afganistan, sourrounding areas and any other areas of the world of terrorists and their terrorist acts with hopefully end up in a result that will provide the Afgan people more quality and a better, secure life, as well as the same to everyone else on Earth.

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his troops even bombed 4 canadian soldiers to death.

yes this is unfortunate. i've heard about this before, not really sure what had happened. like i said, unfortunate....

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he did NOT even win the election, he is an illegitmate president.

he, indeed, did legally and rightfully win the election. if it wasnt so, the US congress would've done something about it.

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He is as corrupt as they come, financed by tobbaco, oil, and pharmaceutical companies. He is merely a puppet for their global corporate power.

hmm....he may have some flaws having to do with this....

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your president needs to get his army the hell out of afghanistan.

disagree, for the reasons listed above.

John, you surely have your strong opinion, and that is ok. The fact our opinions differ is fine with me....i dont agree with you, but i do respect you.

>JM<

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Originally posted by LiquidX I bet im much smarter then HIM ! ! ! HE has no clue what his doing, and for him Global Warming is a THEORY ! ! WHAT A RETARD ! ! !

making bold statements without backing them up.....John at least gave reasons for why he thinks Bush sucks.

>JM<

thanks for the response juricimo..

i gotta hand it to you, having phonetical pronounciations on his speeches is pretty smart if you think about it..

cmon george say it with me new-klee-ur weh-puns!

anyway, as for afghanistan.. i have been having these arguments, at a much more indepth level than this, for months now. i am tired of it, and it's all been said already. but still i must insist, the ends to not justify the means here. thousands of people are dead. not a few, not a couple isolated mistakes, but entire peaceful cities, and villages pulverised by the worlds most powerful army. it makes me sick. they bombed a hospital, a mosque, a school, the offices of the red cross, power stations, water depots, etc.

the actions of the USA in reaction to september 11th, are, in my mind, no less wrong than the actions of the terrorists themselves.

that is just my opinion mind you.

now.. as for kyoto... well..

we are not in a warming trend unfortunately, although bush and his cronies would love you to think that. this is unprecedented in the history of the world. this planet is getting hotter, at an exponential rate. this has not happened before.

don't take my word for it, go look up david suzuki if you want some cold hard scientific facts that will scare the shit out of you.

as for the election? well.. it don't really matter. they are one and the same anyway.

peace m8.

yea, i do think something needs to be done about the pollution issues...
the US needs to really start changing it's enviromental policies.

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Originally posted by Juricimo this one is gonna be hard. afganistan has been found to harbor terrorists. terrorists = bad. this is not a war against Afganistan, but a war against terrorism. Osama was not the only terrorist, but there are numerous terrorsts cells all over the world. Osama to my understanding is one of the terrorist leaders, with many others situated in the area of Afganistan. hence, the war to rid of the terrorists. yes, innocent ppl will die, that comes along with any war,....innocent ppl dying is not right. Effort to rid Afganistan, sourrounding areas and any other areas of the world of terrorists and their terrorist acts with hopefully end up in a result that will provide the Afgan people more quality and a better, secure life, as well as the same to everyone else on Earth. >JM<

as for the war in afghanistan.... it's just another way for the US to strengthen their ties with the surround countries in an effort to have part in the natural resources there...
There are large amounts of oil and gas reserves in that region.
So basically, the events of 9/11 gave the US an excuse to go into that country and make friendships with the surrounding countries.
Another effort to take control over natural resources, just like the persian war.

why doesn't the US first get rid of the terrorists in america itself.
and I'm refering to american terrorists...

I have one question tho, why is the US soo concerned about other countries having 'weapons of mass-desctruction' when it create as many as it wants...

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