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Rip Groups RANT!
hi....i feel like i need to speak about this.....and i want to hear ppl's opinions on this issue. Rip groups do provide a great service...but i'm not saying that is wrong. What is wrong, is that rip groups have gotten to the pt where they believe they can control their releases like a record company. Rip groups have deejays or ppl who get promos from the record companies promo lists, then they rip it to mp3 and 192kb and then put their name at the end of the mp3 file and all in the mp3 file tags. But then they have release dates for mp3's, my gosh....they don't own the songs but they sure act like they do, they act like they ARE THE RECORD COMPANY. Then if someone posts a mp3 file somewhere and they don't have permission from the mp3 group, the group goes to threads and telling ppl not to post their releases. I mean wtf, they act like they are the record companies and i think that is really wrong. Should'nt rip groups just release stuff and share it to the trance community as a whole or what. If you ppl believe what i'm saying is wrong, then say so and state why, if you agree with me, say so and state why.....i point out....this IS ONLY MY OPINION.
hmmm... interesting point. im not too familiar with rip groups myself (ITWT one??). if they have music to share for free share it. thats what music is all about i the first place, fun, sharing, bringing people together. attitudes like that dont do any good.
hmm...
my opinion is that it's nice to have MP3s from rip groups, but by no means should they be claiming to have any rights to them, or try to think they are exclusive distrubitors. I always take the tags and shit out right away, let em come after me.
music should be spread around for all to enjoy, and the only people making a profit from it should be the original musician.
on the other hand, maybe they shouldn't release them at all? especially full albums.
the producer "airwave" recently found out that his entire album is available for download, before it is even released.
he is considering not even releasing the album now.
maybe we are killing the scene? if people can't make a profit, then no new music will come out.
i think that live sets should definitely be allowed, as they are for enjoyment.
you are certainly right....it almost comes down to who owns what now but ppl seem to not care, i feel sorry for airwave...not much can be done....sooner or later an artist will quit music or production because of this.
I think you have hit the nail on the head there mate 
The thing is, they must have contacts to get hold of the stuff, either knowing the producers or the djs who get them sent to them.
But trance is still on the whole underground, and i dont think many djs mind their stuff being released to the real trance fans. As most trance producers dont make a hell of a lot out of producing, they do it because they love trance.
But the ripping groups are getting way above themselves. They are exclusive groups, with rules to enterance, and this is wrong. If someone gets a new vinyl and rips is great, and they should do it for the love of trance, and to pass it around other trance fans. Not get above themselves and start trying to control things.
But this is the major problem with people, give them control and they grow egos. Unfortunatly they r growing faster than i would like. Soon they will just have little groups, and they will control things.
I am glad we have people who share music, so other trance fans who arent as lucky can get all the latest stuff.
But anyway i would love to see people just ruipping and sharing for the love of trance, and not to gain power.
Although i do agree that rippers should get credit for the time spent ripping. But i dont like power hungry people. And these people seem to think they r better than us.
We are equal. Why should they be any different.
none the less TTA you made a good point. i haven't came across this sort of scenerio yet though, but its pretty outrageous that they will hold the tune and set a certain release date. yes, i do thank the release groups from contributing to the scene. so we may all listen to the beauty of the tune before it hits the stores at least that way i will head over to the record store for the vinyl release.
although if they start getting really serious with this release thing i will just start my own ripping group 
it's all really confusing...
I think it's because they want their groups to have lots of unaccessed trance, therefore making more good rippers with access join.
if it's on a forum, then it's not exclusive.
still, if it's out its out on just a forum...it's not like it's put on the top of Yahoo.com
i hav 2 agree with u tta, there r so many ****s in there, although there are plenty of cool ppl in there, of which some i do know, although ****s are a plenty and that a lot of them believe they r bigger than the business.
yeah i agree totally, sometimes they act like they own the original song or sumthing...or as if they made the track in the first place heheh...
but im still thankful for all the great rips 
well.. i have to disagree with u all
first of all, they rip the stuff for the community of the rip groups... means that the guy that is working so hard to give us that gr8 quality promo vinyl rip is mainly doing it to get credits from other site/rip groups.. that kind of the deal, all rip groups share the wealth with either.. and in each group somehow pops this freakin leecher who keeps taking stuff without permission and just puts it out for everyone
im not saying its wrong, im saying that its just really NOT FAIR for the guy that worked so hard to rip the vinyl, then for example comes someone on TA and posts it and takes the credit 4 it.. that is really not fair..
the rip groups do not SET THE DATE for the release, what they do is set the date for THE RELEASE... which i think is ok...
i know that the trance community is all about sharing, but sometimes u gotta see some elses point of view, and understand how hard the work is... its not fair to leech all day.. and even if u do, u need to give something back in return.. so that even if u do leech they will see that u appricate the kinda work they do..
so... thats my point of view on this subject..
yes but then......it's still not their's.....it belongs to the individual artist or producer.......but i do see your point....i do give back.....i give my rips of livesets to friends to release as they wish.
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| Originally posted by DJ-Energy the rip groups do not SET THE DATE for the release, what they do is set the date for THE RELEASE... which i think is ok... |
i mean
its the date they ripped it
not the date for the commercial release
if ripping groups are taking this attitude then they will start to diesapear, as the main reason for thier existence is to spread the good music. if they start to be silly and say when a file can be released the people who rip those files will join another group i fink
the ripping groups need to look at what they are doing and release that in the long term they are being silly and just get back to ripping good tunes and releasing them stright away.
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| Originally posted by YuVaL means that the guy that is working so hard to give us that gr8 quality promo vinyl rip... its just really NOT FAIR for the guy that worked so hard to rip the vinyl, then for example comes someone on TA and posts it and takes the credit 4 it.. that is really not fair.. |
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith anyway.. i don't think the ripping groups deserve anything but a kind thank you for their time. they don't deserve prestige, or special rights or anything like that. |
if they don't rip it, who else will do it? and if their mp3's get posted everywhere they can be more easier be traced back and get busted
and the record companys and the riaa would be very happy to get some of this major mp3 release/ripping guys
so i think they have to control it a bit
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| Originally posted by Dj-Steve CONGRATULATIONS MR. ARSE 2K3! How do they work so hard for a rip? huh? by plugging the TT in the pc, recording in a .wav file and then encoding to mp3? if this is hard, then i am a cell phone! Perhaps you mean they work hard to get that promo... THEY WORK HARD BECAUSE THEY WANT TO! BECAUSE DJING IS THEIR LIFE AND THEY LIVE FROM IT! u ugly ******... |
Wasn't the job of DJ's to play songs that haven't been heard b4 and thats how people learn about the songs...
so about ripping isn't it the same thing...
like the producer OWNS the track.. and poor airwave *cyber Hug* kudos to you man.. thats like slack..
aNYHOWS... they do deserve a little credit for ripping.. but that doesn't make it the owner...
Imagine this... i own a 2002 WRX... i lend it to my friend... hes a better driver than me.. does that mean he owns it??? NOOOO
So yeah.. if these ripping groups think they are all mighty and shit.. they are forgetting about the people power...
United we stand.. divided they fall..
if they haven't noticed.. TA is a big ass community.. with alot of weight on the scene... don't believe me.. lol... think again..
Rip Groups suck for a number of reasons.....
Yuvals ripping group sucks because he releases Danceaddicts Reconstructions (well played)
Also means we get 14 year olds on here acting godly because they've got more MP3's than anyone else (You know who you are)
And it's the same 14 year old losers that steal other people rips, and release them before the ripper can (yet again, you know who you are)
I am going to chuckle when the FBI, RIAA, and all these other abbreviations break down your door and do a cavity search for illegal MP3's. Don't say you didn't deserve it
I believe things have simply evolved to the state they are in now. It went the same way every other fun community goes. I`ll give you a non trance related example:
Imagine you and your buddies always meet at a public park to play soccer. Everyone has fun and from time to time other people come to join you playing soccer. They all have their love for soccer in common. At some point there are so many people that want to play soccer with you, that you decide to do it a bit more professional and you start a club (Besides that some people decide to open their own club because you are so many). Suddenly the whole situation changes because you have real matches to play and not everyone can play in every match. Things can`t be organised they way they used to when you still played in the park. You have to get some professional structures and set some rules, altough you all still share your love for soccer and simply want to play soccer with each other.
The same thing with ripping groups. Some people started to rip tracks for each other and everyone shared everything they had because they were a small community and everyone knew each other and helped each other. As soon as things turned to big, things also turned anonymously and you suddenly have people that only come to leech and don`t share. Wouldn`t be too much of a problem as long as they are not the majority but then these same people start to re-tag the mp3`s and want to be loved by everyone because they provided the tracks (what they didn`t).
All of this purely represents my own toughts since I`m not part of any ripping group but it all seems logical to me. Also I don`t have a problem with the state we are in now. I get the tunes I want. Maybe I get them a few days or weeks later than other people but I can live with that, since there is a constant stream of good new trance that is coming out. I`m not sitting there saying "OMG, that tune from ASOT two days ago!! Why has nobody released a full quality vinyl rip yet??? I can`t live without it!!!", but rather take the time to listen to the good tunes I haven`t had the time to listen to up to now. Btw: I personally can`t keep up with all the good new releases that are coming out (which to me is proof that trance is not dying or anything since there is constantly more new music than in any other genre), so I`m quite satisfied with the situation as it is, altough I can understand both sides arguing here.
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| Originally posted by fastmp3 dude you don't agree with him that's ok but you don't need to start flaming him and insulting him personally , you owe him some apologies |
Wow lunchalot, i completely agree. that was a truly excellent post.
RespectPoints++
My gosh why are ppl digging out old posts. Steve needs to apologize not because he does not agree but because the manner that he expressed himself. If you state your opinion and facts why you believe such and don't verbal abuse others then things are fine. I've changed my opinion about rip groups anyway, if they want to rip stuff then let them, if not wait till the cd release or the 12" release.
dj-steve: there really is no need for random flaming like that. what ppl like you dont seem to realise is that the whole point of a forum is to DISCUSS. you disagree.. so what... shit happens. theres 0 requirement for having a go at someone & calling them names just because of a differing opinion.
grow up.
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| Originally posted by torontotrance yes but then......it's still not their's.....it belongs to the individual artist or producer.......but i do see your point....i do give back.....i give my rips of livesets to friends to release as they wish. |
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