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Are 'Big' DJ's too far up there own arse ?

I was at a friends place the other day, and he put on some vid of armin live in 2006 ish I think.

Now, to say I was distinctly underimpressed is an understatement, not only did I find the set boring (apart from maybe ONE song), I also wasnt too much of a fan of all the live stuff put on, some guy with a guitar came on, and them some other crap I really wanst interested in.

As far as I am concerned I would rather go to a field in the middle of nowhere and have a good night, rather than these over-produced nights that seem to be being put on from what I have seen.

Anyway... one thing that got me, and made me cringe slightly is the way that armin just seemed to think he was some kind of god or something, he would keep on doing this stupid bow kind of think (put both arms together up in air, and then repeatedly bow), and just other stupid things, I think I even seen him almost sheading a tear at one point - get a life!

Ive not really listened to much in the way of trance since about 2003 as it all just got a little bit too samey for me, but I think that may be slightly my fault as I was probablly listening to it too much and not anything else, but seeing this video has not give me any confidence that things have improved... the vids ive seen of tiesto also concern me!

Am I on my own here, or do they need to get a grip?, at the end of the day there just playing some records! lol

Ladies and gentleman, yet another thread about why trance blows now, you are the hypebeast of EDM.

Re: Are 'Big' DJ's too far up there own arse ?

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Originally posted by Jimb0b I was at a friends place the other day, and he put on some vid of armin live in 2006 ish I think. Now, to say I was distinctly underimpressed is an understatement, not only did I find the set boring (apart from maybe ONE song), I also wasnt too much of a fan of all the live stuff put on, some guy with a guitar came on, and them some other crap I really wanst interested in. As far as I am concerned I would rather go to a field in the middle of nowhere and have a good night, rather than these over-produced nights that seem to be being put on from what I have seen. Anyway... one thing that got me, and made me cringe slightly is the way that armin just seemed to think he was some kind of god or something, he would keep on doing this stupid bow kind of think (put both arms together up in air, and then repeatedly bow), and just other stupid things, I think I even seen him almost sheading a tear at one point - get a life! Ive not really listened to much in the way of trance since about 2003 as it all just got a little bit too samey for me, but I think that may be slightly my fault as I was probablly listening to it too much and not anything else, but seeing this video has not give me any confidence that things have improved... the vids ive seen of tiesto also concern me! Am I on my own here, or do they need to get a grip?, at the end of the day there just playing some records! lol

Welcome to Tranceaddict. Try the Chill out room - it is for trance bashing what petri dish full of fecal matter is for bacteria. Also search Armin + JPM (jesus poses per minute). I think he's up to 40 JPMs - an improvement on his last year's record.

and finally, regardless of what you think of (insert your favorite DJ name here) - good or bad, someone will be around very shortly to tell you how full of shit you are.

Thats' your tranceaddict 101 crash course. Go forth young Jedi, the force is strong within you.

p.s. Please don't insult trance - it still exists. Armin just isn't aware of it.

haha...

i was watching a video of armin on youtube and it was really awkward for me to watch. as if the jesus pose was not silly enough, he even got up onto the table and started "dancing"... dear god, i felt embarassed on his behalf.

what happened to good old fashioned fist pumping?

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Originally posted by echosystm what happened to good old fashioned fist pumping?

Fist-pumping isn't "old fashioned", it's for trance crackers. There are a lot of people who can actually dance to dance music (what a twist!). Armin just isn't one of them.

Incidentally, what does this have to do with production? Oh, that's right, nothing.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Incidentally, what does this have to do with production? Oh, that's right, nothing.

I 2nd that notion

Yep, has nothing at all to do with production. Should have been posted in the DJ section. I found it amusing though. I guess DJs think they have to do things to keep their shows from becoming boring. More likely, the DJs are bored with their shows, so they do these things.

unfortuantely the idiots that go to see these ridiculous gigs need to see this type of behaviour in order for it to be a real experience. some people find it hard to look up to someone who is down to earth. i cant think of anything worse than a party where there are more than 1000 people, all thinking they are 'connecting on a personal level' with the jumped up 'superstar' dj. its a shame that these dj's dont realise that 90% of people who go to these nights are just there to take xtc.... the music is just a soundtrack to drug taking in order to forget a boring dayjob. oh wait. the 20,000� per hr set price makes up for that!

First of all, you lump all "Big DJs" into one category. Not all "Big DJs" are inherently anything.

As for Armin specifically... yes, he is. I saw him once for the hell of it, and I was surprised and appalled at how much of a pretentious prick he was.

I wouldn't say Armin is "pretentious." At least he didn't seem that way when I met him before a show four years ago. He just puts on a physical performance because a lot of people think it "adds" to the set.

Personally I think all the bows and Jesus poses are kind of silly and don't really add anything, but I don't think doing a bit of grandstanding automatically makes someone "pretentious."

I agree with Jimb0b that a lot of these big nights are really "overproduced" and would rather just have a crazy party out in a field with some lesser-known DJ.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I wouldn't say Armin is "pretentious." At least he didn't seem that way when I met him before a show four years ago. He just puts on a physical performance because a lot of people think it "adds" to the set. Personally I think all the bows and Jesus poses are kind of silly and don't really add anything, but I don't think doing a bit of grandstanding automatically makes someone "pretentious." I agree with Jimb0b that a lot of these big nights are really "overproduced" and would rather just have a crazy party out in a field with some lesser-known DJ.

When I saw him recently (within the past year), he simply reeked of pretentiousness. I understand putting on a show, but this was different. Holding his headphones in the air and bowing, followed by a Jesus pose, wearing barely a smirk while a screen behind him kept flashing "World's Number 1 DJ", "The World's Best", etc. all while showing clips of Armin performing behind Armin performing. It was really rather ridiculous.

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Originally posted by david.michael When I saw him recently (within the past year), he simply reeked of pretentiousness. I understand putting on a show, but this was different. Holding his headphones in the air and bowing, followed by a Jesus pose, wearing barely a smirk while a screen behind him kept flashing "World's Number 1 DJ", "The World's Best", etc. all while showing clips of Armin performing behind Armin performing. It was really rather ridiculous.

LOL.

Well, like I said, I hadn't seen him in a while -- I think it's been at least three years. Wasn't like that the last time I saw him.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles LOL. Well, like I said, I hadn't seen him in a while -- I think it's been at least three years. Wasn't like that the last time I saw him.

Can't say I blame him, though. There was a plethora of drunk twats and e-tards literally throwing themselves at him and bowing down, screaming his name and putting their hands in the air, etc. It was the biggest display of douchebaggery I've seen in quite a while. :/

The way I try to think about it, he's bowing to me hahhhahhaha

Seriously though I still like the music he plays, and I love all dance music except Polka

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Originally posted by david.michael Can't say I blame him, though. There was a plethora of drunk twats and e-tards literally throwing themselves at him and bowing down, screaming his name and putting their hands in the air, etc. It was the biggest display of douchebaggery I've seen in quite a while. :/

It's celebrity worship, nothing more, nothing less. No different from the fawning fans throwing their underwear at the Rolling Stones or swooning at every mention of the name Elvis. Most women have these tendencies, although in all fairness, most guys will also rush to watch any female DJ with big boobs and a little cleavage.

Remember, trance crackers, you wished for this. You complained bitterly that it was too hard to find like-minded people, that the governments were unfairly cracking down on raves, that normal people looked at you funny when you said you listened to trance and asked "is that like techno or something?" Well, you got what you wanted - now it's a mainstream genre played in clubs and on the radio and this is what happens with every mainstream music genre.

Agreed

NOTHING is more boring than paying lots of money to get in to a club to see some dj, and he's just standing there looking down at the mixer, not even looking up once to see the reaction of the crowd. I'm thinking of djs like Dave Clarke etc..

Whenever I am out playing, I always have to look out at the crowd to see how the tracks I play are being recieved... Nothing is better than see the crowd go wild because of something I did!

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Originally posted by dj_alfi NOTHING is more boring than paying lots of money to get in to a club to see some dj, and he's just standing there looking down at the mixer, not even looking up once to see the reaction of the crowd.

Why the heck do you care what the DJ's doing? Just listen to the music...

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Originally posted by dj_alfi NOTHING is more boring than paying lots of money to get in to a club to see some dj, and he's just standing there looking down at the mixer, not even looking up once to see the reaction of the crowd. I'm thinking of djs like Dave Clarke etc..

Huh? I don't get that. They're being paid to play music. Especially if you're talking about techno (literal techno) DJs like Dave Clarke or Jeff Mills, they're waaaay too busy on the decks to worry about that shit. It's like expecting a pianist or a drummer in a band to dance for you while he performs. Not gonna happen.

Strange, I hear people say this a lot and it's never made a lick of sense to me. I think it's just flimsy rationalization for DJ favoritism.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Huh? I don't get that. They're being paid to play music. Especially if you're talking about techno (literal techno) DJs like Dave Clarke or Jeff Mills, they're waaaay too busy on the decks to worry about that shit. It's like expecting a pianist or a drummer in a band to dance for you while he performs. Not gonna happen.

LOL. Good analogy.

DJs aren't trained monkeys there to entertain you by jumping around. They're musical performers paid to play good music...

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Originally posted by DigiNut Huh? I don't get that. They're being paid to play music. Especially if you're talking about techno (literal techno) DJs like Dave Clarke or Jeff Mills, they're waaaay too busy on the decks to worry about that shit. It's like expecting a pianist or a drummer in a band to dance for you while he performs. Not gonna happen. Strange, I hear people say this a lot and it's never made a lick of sense to me. I think it's just flimsy rationalization for DJ favoritism.

it makes perfect sense, a part of being a performer is to perform... not just play out music... its like you expect guitarists to go wild when playing... and BTW check out travis barker... that drummer can fuckn perform...

going to a concert or any musical event was allways about performances... if you wouldnt see the performer and seeing him do his magic, like those crazy pianists tripping while playing, it would be just like putting a cd at home listening with some people...

and a dj's first thing in mind should be looking at the reaction he gets... thats what hes there for...

i think you people dont see this maybe cos you never really performed... i played french horn for 8 yrs. and when i played solos and while doing so i stood up and made a performance it really made a difference, the crowd reacted much better from the times i stayed seated during solos (in an orchestra ofcourse...)...

and a more related to trance music, i went up one night after a hip hop dj that was making little to none crowd reaction, and made a performance, enjoyed and danced with my music, and the people reacted much better... (i think it was also a kind of a relief from that two hours of hip hop...)

djs are there to entertain you, thats the whole point man... how they do it is their issue, and if you like them just staring at the tables thats fine... i guess i can find you guys sitting in chairs in the middle of trance energy or something appreciating the music and clapping mildly when there are good transitions

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Originally posted by dj_alfi NOTHING is more boring than paying lots of money to get in to a club to see some dj, and he's just standing there looking down at the mixer, not even looking up once to see the reaction of the crowd. I'm thinking of djs like Dave Clarke etc.. Whenever I am out playing, I always have to look out at the crowd to see how the tracks I play are being recieved... Nothing is better than see the crowd go wild because of something I did!

There's a difference between simple crowd interaction and what I was describing I saw.

As long as they point at me at least once thru the set.

I has NP

Certain people here might want to get a litte more knowledge on something called projection. No offence.

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA going to a concert or any musical event was allways about performances...

But this ISN'T a performance. This is exactly the attitude that's been ruining trance music since Y2K. He's a DJ and he's fucking playing records. That's it. It's a singles bar or top 40 club with better music and more energy. That's it! You're there for the party, not the performance.

Even junglists have their MCs. The DJs aren't really that interesting, it's the MC doing all the ridiculous freestyle and hyping up the crowd.

DJs aren't performers unless they're turntablists (like some techno DJs or the DMC). It's not a performance. They're not there to impress you. They're there to create a specific atmosphere. Get used to it, or be forever labeled as a fanboy.

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