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The Worst Places to be a Terrorist

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The List: The Worst Places to Be a Terrorist Posted May 2008 Fighting transnational terrorism often involves making unsavory choices between protecting civil rights and providing security. The following regimes have opted for the latter and are definitely not the kind of places you want to get caught if you�re plotting some terrorist mayhem. France Key tactics: Though many Americans view them as softies when it comes to the war on terror, the French actually have some of the world�s toughest and arguably most effective antiterrorism laws. In France, terrorist investigations are overseen by a special unit of magistrates with unprecedented powers to monitor suspects, enlist the help of other branches of law enforcement, and detain suspects for days without charges. Additionally, prosecutors have a mandate to pursue terrorists abroad if the suspect or victim is French. France is also not shy about deporting Muslim clerics it views as threatening. It shouldn�t be surprising that French law enforcement is well set up for counterterrorism: France was the first European country to fall victim to Middle Eastern terrorism during the Algerian war in the 1950s. In action: France has not had a terrorist attack on its soil since 9/11, but it claims to have foiled several, including a chemical attack planned by Chechen operatives against Russian targets in Paris, a planned bombing of one of Paris�s airports, and a 9/11-like airline plot against the Eiffel Tower. Concerns: French civil libertarians have raised concerns about detentions that, in some cases, can last for years without trials. Allegations of police brutality are also common in France�s predominantly Muslim suburbs. Jordan Key tactics: Since the November 2005 hotel bombings carried out by al Qaeda in Amman, Jordan�s King Abdullah II has made it a priority to stop the infiltration of terrorists from neighboring Iraq and Syria. Jordan�s intelligence service, the General Intelligence Department, has exploited close ties with Sunni tribes in Iraq�s Anbar province to provide its U.S. and Israeli counterparts with valuable intelligence about the structure and financing on terrorist organizations. Jordan also takes pride in the prowess of its Special Forces units and has opened a special operations training center to teach counterterrorism tactics to elite military units from around the world. In action: It�s widely suspected that Jordanian spies tipped off the U.S. military to the location of al Qaeda in Iraq�s Jordanian-born leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, leading to the U.S.-Iraqi military raid that killed him. Concerns: Jordan has been criticized by human rights groups for its alleged participation in the �rendition� of U.S. terrorist suspects for torture. Egypt Key tactics: No less an authority than al Qaeda�s No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri recently said of Egypt�s State Security, �They know more about the Islamic movements than many of those movements� members know about them.� Zawahiri�s followers have good reason to worry. After a wave of terrorist attacks and political victories for the Muslim Brotherhood in the early 1990s, Hosni Mubarak�s government opted for a strategy of ruthless repression in combating the threat from terrorism and political Islam. The state�s strategy is to inhibit the Brotherhood from participating in the political process while carrying out wide-ranging arrests of militants and routinely using torture on prisoners. In action: During the 1990s, the Egyptian regime essentially eliminated the domestic threat of groups such as the Islamic Group and Zawahiri�s Egyptian Islamic Jihad, largely by attacking their bases of operations and blocking their ability to transform into legitimate political movements. Overreaches by the groups themselves contributed greatly to their downfall. Concerns: Human Rights Watch has complained that the Egyptian regime�s liberal use of torture simply leads prisoners to �confess to crimes real or imagined.� Analysts also question the strategy of repressing the Brotherhood, which they say only strengthens the group�s appeal. Singapore Key tactics: Singapore, which is 15 percent Muslim, has had enormous success in combating regional terrorist groups such as the al Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah through a combination of tough Special Forces tactics and savvy rehabilitation programs. After 9/11, the island country strengthened its crackdown on terrorist funding, and it recently passed legislation giving the Army wide-ranging powers to pursue terrorists domestically. But Singapore�s approach goes beyond enforcement. Since 2003, a landmark government program has aimed to rehabilitate arrested militants. The state employs volunteer clerics who counsel detainees and rebut extremist arguments. The United States has studied the approach as a possible alternative to indefinite detention. In action: A major operation in 2001 resulted in the arrest of 15 Jemaah Islamiyah operatives who were planning terrorist attacks within Singapore. Around 70 people have been detained since then, and about one third have been released after rehabilitation. Police continue monitoring those who are released. Concerns: Democracy activists argue that the Singaporean government plays up the terrorist threat to justify its authoritarianism. The police also suffered a major embarrassment in February when a Jemaah Islamiyah militant escaped through the bathroom window of a detention center. Russia Key tactics: In 1999, Boris Yeltsin elevated an obscure midlevel politician named Vladimir Putin to the rank of prime minister and entrusted him with putting down a raging insurgency in the breakaway region of Chechnya. Ever since, counterinsurgency and counterterrorism have been the hallmarks of Putin�s tenure, and he has largely built his popularity around his success in these areas. Russia has carried out a ruthless campaign of military suppression in Chechnya, and when it hasn�t been attacking militants, it has joined with them by elevating former rebel Ramzan Kadyrov to the presidency of the now largely peaceful region. Russian security forces were also willing to put down terrorist sieges by force even at the expense of high civilian casualties. In action: After Chechen rebels took a Moscow theater hostage in 2002, Russian Special Forces pumped an unknown gas into the theater�s ventilation system and then stormed the building, killing nearly all the hostage-takers along with hundreds of hostages. Concerns: Though Russia has largely succeeded in pacifying Chechnya, the neighboring regions of Dagestan and North Ossetia remain havens for militant groups. The government was widely criticized for the secrecy surrounding the Nord-Ost and Beslan school operations and the high number of hostages killed during the rescues. >LINK<

Very interesting article. Thx for posting this!

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In action: After Chechen rebels took a Moscow theater hostage in 2002, Russian Special Forces pumped an unknown gas into the theater�s ventilation system and then stormed the building, killing nearly all the hostage-takers along with hundreds of hostages.

jesus. i remember the incident, but i always assumed it was a shootout. is what ive quoted insinuating that the gas killed them?

that school massacre was pretty damned awful too

Well actually reality is a terrorist is not much interested in being a terrorist in these places.

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Originally posted by Kinezi Well actually reality is a terrorist is not much interested in being a terrorist in these places.

nonsense.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN jesus. i remember the incident, but i always assumed it was a shootout. is what ive quoted insinuating that the gas killed them? that school massacre was pretty damned awful too

Nah, the gas didnt' kill them. When the terrorists realized what was happening, they detonated all of their bombs.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN nonsense.

I claim Aruba, Mongolia and Alaska has been most effecient governments in curbing terrorism... well wait.. I need to write a long lengthy article about it and publish it in local midday newspaper here.. than i will need to quote that link here and prove you wrong.

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Originally posted by Kinezi I claim Aruba, Mongolia and Alaska has been most effecient governments in curbing terrorism... well wait.. I need to write a long lengthy article about it and publish it in local midday newspaper here.. than i will need to quote that link here and prove you wrong.

Terrible analogy. Jordan and Egypt for instance have been two countries subjected to severe acts of terrorism, so comparing them to alaska et al. is completely erroneous.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Terrible analogy. Jordan and Egypt for instance have been two countries subjected to severe acts of terrorism, so comparing them to alaska et al. is completely erroneous.

Alaska????

It's kind of interesting that Hussein's Iraq could have easily been on that list but now the situation is sort of the opposite .

So in other words, to make America one of the "worst countries to be a terroirst," we need to:

• have detentions that, in some cases, can last for years without trials.
  
• torture people.
  
• torture people to confess to crimes real or imagined, and increase the appeal of groups similar to the Muslimbrotherhood.
  
• play up the terrorist threat to justify the goverment's authoritarianism.
  
• disregard the lives of our own citizens in the process.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Terrible analogy. Jordan and Egypt for instance have been two countries subjected to severe acts of terrorism, so comparing them to alaska et al. is completely erroneous.

Takes pyramides out of egypt and its an alaskan desert.

The whole article is bullshit.. the fact remains that Jordan and Egypt did what it did in to maintain power and authotrian king of jordan style rule.. they dont want muslim clerics to form parellel political party and challenge their power and authority..

If you think they do it to curb the so called 'terrorism' than you are just pleasing yourself... like ZOMG terrorism is global problem and every country in this world is facing this problem and is doing something to stop it ZOMG.. and crap..

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Originally posted by Kinezi Takes pyramides out of egypt and its an alaskan desert. The whole article is bullshit.. the fact remains that Jordan and Egypt did what it did in to maintain power and authotrian king of jordan style rule.. they dont want muslim clerics to form parellel political party and challenge their power and authority.. If you think they do it to curb the so called 'terrorism' than you are just pleasing yourself...

thats rather simplistic. youre not thinking it all the way through.

Countries like Egypt and Jordan, who are like you said autocratic or plutocratic or whatever authoritaian-cratic they may be, are fully aware of what fundamental Islam is capable of. probably more than anyone else.

i think pkc would agree, the fact that hardliners and their followers are most certainly capable of using terror tactics in order to "form parellel political party and challenge their power and authority" is reason enough to be as tough on terrorist as they are.

at the end of the day, what we're talking about here is the murder of innocent people and how to prevent it no matter who in in the seat of power.

yeah, i agree. the laws themselves are evidence enough that there is a problem according to the people in charge. whether the people in charge are nice hippies or abusive tyrants is quite irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Nah, the gas didnt' kill them. When the terrorists realized what was happening, they detonated all of their bombs.

it was sleeping gas, they all fell asleep and then the squads went in and arrested the terrorists while saving the hostages / dateraping women

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Originally posted by Q5echo hardliners and their followers are most certainly capable of using terror tactics in order to "form parellel political party and challenge their power and authority" is reason enough to be as tough on terrorist as they are.

So as in your own words these rulers of Jordan and Egypt are aware of threat to there rein and power that hardliners and their followers posses. So in order to curtail these threats against there 'rule' they have totalitarian hardline severe in your face death laws to prevent uprising.

And not because:

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Originally posted by Q5echo at the end of the day, the murder of innocent people.

Countries like Jordan and Egypt dont give a rat ass about the so called 'trrorist'... they dont have these laws to curb 'terrorism' as the article states.. they have these laws to maintain there power and totalitarian rule.

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Originally posted by Kinezi they have these laws to maintain there power and totalitarian rule.

dude listen, you're absolutely correct..."they have these laws to maintain their power" against acts of terror. these are the threats they recognize, this is how they deal with it. in that respect, no civilized government is any different. it's just some are more vulnerable than others.

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Originally posted by Kinezi I claim Aruba, Mongolia and Alaska has been most effecient governments in curbing terrorism... well wait.. I need to write a long lengthy article about it and publish it in local midday newspaper here.. than i will need to quote that link here and prove you wrong.

LOL - I like your thinking. If you ever decide to buy a local paper let me know so I can write articles and quote myself too!

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