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The ban-wagon rolls on... plastic bags, phones, electronics yet to be invented!

Ontario should seriously just print out a list of what we CAN do as it would be much shorter.

Currently being banned:

-Cigarette displays in stores banned....i saw cig billboards when i was a kid and i dont smoke! Also, this is exactly how the liquor stores used to operate until the 60s and people still bought a lot of booze didnt they?

-Smoking in cars with kids (my parents did this and i grew up fine!)

-Plastic bags at the liquor store. I guess theyd rather kill a tonne of trees with paper rather than use recyclable plastic bags. FYI paper bags get an average of 1 use while plastic bags get reused 2 to four times.

Strongly being considered (Which with Mcguinty means it will definately happen):

- cell phones in cars. Mcguinty said he wasnt interested in this type of ban a few months ago. Where have i heard that before? Oh yes he said the same thing about smoking in cars and police airplanes. Most Toronto drivers suck regardless of whether or not they are on a phone. In fact most of the douchbags i pass who are doing 80 in the left lane are by themselves and spaced out in their own little world.

- Electronic devices - This must be a world first. Not only are they going to ban blackberrys, MP3 players, and i wouldnt be surprised if radios and CD players are in there. But they are going to ban devices NOT EVEN INVENTED YET Only Mcguinty and his commie liberals could think of that one!!! I cant wait for the flood of douche bags that park on the side of highways to take a call which is probably 1000 times more dangerous than talking while driving.

- plastic bags in all retail stores. Again, cant wait for the mess of paper bags that tear and shred before you even make it to the car. Cant wait for the chemically treated paper bags to get thrown out instead of resued. Makes for great showboating politics but not very practical.

- Plastic water bottles. Many school boards are already banning them (after banning pop) and now the province might do the same. I guess they want us to drink from the lead coated pipes in schools and parks. If i were in the business id have a few solutions.

1) define what is water. Water is H20. As soon as you add calcium, iron, etc its no longer water is it? Otherwise wed have to call juice, pop and anything else liquid as water right? Id just change the label from water to "Calcium drink"

2) Canned Water - worse for the environment as you have to mine materials and smelter the can but hey, at least its not plastic water bottles!!


Good old canada. We have a lot of real problems such as lost jobs, genuinely poor people, and health care but the government is too busy micromanaging adults. Who voted for the Liberals? Wasnt me!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 - cell phones in cars. Mcguinty said he wasnt interested in this type of ban a few months ago. Where have i heard that before? Oh yes he said the same thing about smoking in cars and police airplanes. Most Toronto drivers suck regardless of whether or not they are on a phone. In fact most of the douchbags i pass who are doing 80 in the left lane are by themselves and spaced out in their own little world.

Your personal experiences are irrelevant. There were studies done on this.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 - Electronic devices - This must be a world first. Not only are they going to ban blackberrys, MP3 players, and i wouldnt be surprised if radios and CD players are in there.

sauce plz

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I cant wait for the flood of douche bags that park on the side of highways to take a call which is probably 1000 times more dangerous than talking while driving.

I disagree. And just like you, I don't have to provide any evidence for why I think I'm right. I just am.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I guess they want us to drink from the lead coated pipes in schools and parks.

Tap water is safe to drink.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 1) define what is water. Water is H20. As soon as you add calcium, iron, etc its no longer water is it? Otherwise wed have to call juice, pop and anything else liquid as water right? Id just change the label from water to "Calcium drink" 2) Canned Water - worse for the environment as you have to mine materials and smelter the can but hey, at least its not plastic water bottles!!

what the fuck

You remind me of Lisa Simpson.

BTW speaking of electronics, the liberals are secretly passing a new tax on electronics that will increase the average cost of a computer by 30-40 dollars. I think cameras will cost $15 more. Apparently this is to cover disposal. BTW most items can be disposed of for free privately as there are valuable metals and minerals such as cadium, gold, platinum, silica, and aluminum that can be stripped and sold for a decent price. But dont let the facts get in the way of a new tax for mcguinty, er sorry i mean "surcharge".

I've got so many issues with this post that I don't even know where to begin.

I guess I'll start with water. Pure water (i.e. 100% H20) is not easy to find. Should we stop calling the water in lakes etc. 'water'?

Although I agree that BPA is not a particularily dangerous substance, I don't think you can fault the Ontario government for a recommondation made by Health Canada.

I also think you have missed the point on the paper bag issue. The LCBO's current bags use much more plastic than most (read 'all') other retail paper bags. The issue here is to drive consumers into reusable cloth type bags, rather than single use paper. And in any event, its not so much of a 'ban' by the government as much as it is a change in one small policy.

What is your point with electronic devices? They're not going to outright ban balckberrys, mp3 players etc. Are you talking about in cars?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Your personal experiences are irrelevant. There were studies done on this.

id like to see a study done on government micromanging vs the happiness of society

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I disagree. And just like you, I don't have to provide any evidence for why I think I'm right. I just am.

you dont think pulling over on the side of the road is more dangerous? Please explain.

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Tap water is safe to drink.

is that why schools and municipal buildings have to flush out their entire system for 10 minutes every day to remove lead contamination?[/quote]

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what the fuck

what the fuck = when the government gets too creative you have to become even more creative

"Oh joy, it's Jayx1 - Ontario's answer to a question nobody asked!"

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Originally posted by TO guy I've got so many issues with this post that I don't even know where to begin. I guess I'll start with water. Pure water (i.e. 100% H20) is not easy to find. Should we stop calling the water in lakes etc. 'water'?

no but if you are going to ban something, be clear on what it is you are banning. If the government wants to nitpick i think its fair to do the same.

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Although I agree that BPA is not a particularily dangerous substance, I don't think you can fault the Ontario government for a recommondation made by Health Canada.

you confuse bottled water with water bottles. Water bottles (hard plastic) is being banned because of BPA. Soft plastic bottles are being done away with because of "recycling concerns"

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I also think you have missed the point on the paper bag issue. The LCBO's current bags use much more plastic than most (read 'all') other retail paper bags. The issue here is to drive consumers into reusable cloth type bags, rather than single use paper. And in any event, its not so much of a 'ban' by the government as much as it is a change in one small policy.

so as an adult consumer im being forced to comply with someone's idea of conservation? It would be fine for the liquor store to do this IF THEY WERENT A MONOPOLY Also, forcing regulation onto private entities? If the consumer doesnt want plastic they will stop providing it. Until then, lets have a choice.

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What is your point with electronic devices? They're not going to outright ban balckberrys, mp3 players etc. Are you talking about in cars?

i thought that was implied. But yes they are.

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Originally posted by jennypie "Oh joy, it's Jayx1 - Ontario's answer to a question nobody asked!"

Actually thats mcguinty. He has all the answers to the questions nobody asked. His answer is to ban it. Good distraction though from the real issues hes doing nothing about.

Sadly i could never make this stuff up on my own. Im not as creative as they are

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so as an adult consumer im being forced to comply with someone's idea of conservation? It would be fine for the liquor store to do this IF THEY WERENT A MONOPOLY Also, forcing regulation onto private entities? If the consumer doesnt want plastic they will stop providing it. Until then, lets have a choice.

It's not your store. Why should you have any say at all?

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Originally posted by TO guy It's not your store. Why should you have any say at all?

Actually the LCBO is everyone's store. It's taxpayer funded. So i do have a right to say something as it's the only place in Ontario where i am allowed to buy liquor.

If it were a private store id simply shop elsewhere and it wouldnt be a problem.

But that is a choice that PRIVATE retailers should be able to make. Not imposed onto them by a government entity.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Tap water is safe to drink.

Unless you live in Walkerton.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 BTW speaking of electronics, the liberals are secretly passing a new tax on electronics that will increase the average cost of a computer by 30-40 dollars. I think cameras will cost $15 more. Apparently this is to cover disposal. BTW most items can be disposed of for free privately as there are valuable metals and minerals such as cadium, gold, platinum, silica, and aluminum that can be stripped and sold for a decent price. But dont let the facts get in the way of a new tax for mcguinty, er sorry i mean "surcharge".

I agree with a lot of your points Jay, government's hand-holding and parenting me pisses me off too, but I have to step into this one.

This recycling fee for computers already exists in Alberta, BC, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia, and will become Canada-wide, it's a fait accompli. Nova Scotia will add cellphones and scanners to the program in 2009, and it's only going to widen in the spectrum of electronics types with time.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I agree with a lot of your points Jay, government's hand-holding and parenting me pisses me off too, but I have to step into this one. This recycling fee for computers already exists in Alberta, BC, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia, and will become Canada-wide, it's a fait accompli. Nova Scotia will add cellphones and scanners to the program in 2009, and it's only going to widen in the spectrum of electronics types with time.

Like mama always says... If these provinces jumped off a cliff, would you join them? :P

A bad idea is a bad idea.

Perhaps the government should instead make it easier for the public to find recyclers from the private sector. Send out a flyer with a centralized list of private retailers who will pick up your junk for free. Charge the retailers for the advertisement that this would give them. Everyone wins!

But the idea here isnt environmental, its just simply a new tax.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Tap water is safe to drink.

On this note I agree with Jay, tap water is garbage, a lot of research supports that fluoride in tap water can cause cancer, thyroid problems and various other things. Plus the smell is revolting, i live in downtown London and the smell of all the chemicals in the water makes it gross to drink, and i don't want to think about what's in the old pipes the water goes through.

http://www.cambridgenow.ca/npps/story.cfm?id=1067 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...eandHealth/home
http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/

As for the Electronics "recycling fee", it's already implemented in BC, Alberta, and Nova Scotia so it's just a matter of time before it's everywhere.

Regardless, electronics prices have been steadily falling in the last few years. A $40 increase is not going to have much effect in the general cheapening of electronics. You just won't notice how fast desktops are going down in price as much, that's all.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Regardless, electronics prices have been steadily falling in the last few years. A $40 increase is not going to have much effect in the general cheapening of electronics. You just won't notice how fast desktops are going down in price as much, that's all.

You miss the point. The government has no business collecting $40 or 40 cents. It's a tax that serves no purpose. And $40 is a lot of money. These days its about an 1/8 of a tank of gas!! LOL!!

BTW the quote of the year from the toronto star. They were talking about mayor miller's take on plastic bags. They had also noted that china is banning them starting June 1.

They said "In Toronto, Mayor David Miller noted the city doesn't have as much authority as the Chinese government."

So Miller doesnt have the same power as an unelected communist dictatorship? Go figure! Not for a lack of trying though!

I just hand my cheque over to my MP and tell them if there is anything left to donate it to the Human Fund

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I just hand my cheque over to my MP and tell them if there is anything left to donate it to the Human Fund

LOL!!!

I dunno about Toronto but here in Oakville, we got this new green bin (with a lock on the top) for all food waste.. I find this to be the next step in recycling... There should actually be like 4 to 5 bins with different colours.. one for metal(cans), plastic(bottles), food waste, and anything hazardous (such as electronics)

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Originally posted by INTRANCE On this note I agree with Jay, tap water is garbage, a lot of research supports that fluoride in tap water can cause cancer, thyroid problems and various other things. Plus the smell is revolting, i live in downtown London and the smell of all the chemicals in the water makes it gross to drink, and i don't want to think about what's in the old pipes the water goes through. http://www.cambridgenow.ca/npps/story.cfm?id=1067 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...eandHealth/home http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/ As for the Electronics "recycling fee", it's already implemented in BC, Alberta, and Nova Scotia so it's just a matter of time before it's everywhere.

Water with iron and calcium is the best. No flouride. Pure H20 is actually bad for you because it robs your body of minerals. i drink non florinated bottled water for the simple fact that i dont want to drink cancerous chemicals such as flouride and chlorine. But again, thats my choice. You dont see me advocating the banning of tap water right?

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Originally posted by jsibilin I dunno about Toronto but here in Oakville, we got this new green bin (with a lock on the top) for all food waste.. I find this to be the next step in recycling... There should actually be like 4 to 5 bins with different colours.. one for metal(cans), plastic(bottles), food waste, and anything hazardous (such as electronics)

im all about the option to recycle. Its a good idea. Choice is definately a good thing to have! i recycle as much as i can. too bad though i cant call up a private company to pick up my cans. Id be able to make a few bucks a week on aluminum

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Originally posted by jsibilin I dunno about Toronto but here in Oakville, we got this new green bin (with a lock on the top) for all food waste.. I find this to be the next step in recycling... There should actually be like 4 to 5 bins with different colours.. one for metal(cans), plastic(bottles), food waste, and anything hazardous (such as electronics)

Dude..the Green Bin has been in Toronto for like 3-4 years now...


Suburbs are the LAST to get the new Recycling methods. They have this new Dark Blue Garbage Bins that you have to buy from the City...