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Obama Throws Entire Church Under the Bus.

i honestly thought this whole Trinity Church crap was over.

it wasn't good enough to throw Wright or his grandmother under the bus, the pressure ultimately proved too much for the gaffe prone freshman.

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does this help or hurt Obama?

IMO it only affects him negatively among undecided's, but it does go to show what i've said before about the man. he was full of shit.

So to summarize; damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Re: Obama Throws Entire Church Under the Bus.

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Originally posted by Q5echo but it does go to show what i've said before about the man. he was full of shit.

hahaha. you crack me up Q5

i know its only early days, but if that's all you've got right now then its disappointing

fuck man, george bush told the world that god told him to invade iraq. its an issue when obama imitates any politician by creating and extending distance in such a situation?

so, what's your point? in this situation how would you have him act to avoid being "full of shit"?

and notions like obama thinking the "U.S. government was capable of planting AIDS in the black community, " = retarded.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know its only early days, but if that's all you've got right now then its disappointing

did you read his Philidelphia speech? probably not.

just another "distraction" i know. he's accumulated enough passes in his back pocket, you'd think the guy's been in main stream politics for decades. people love him. they love him so much that stuff like this gets washed aside like it's nothing. i just want some insight into the man b/c he, in fact, hasn't been around for decades and this is what he gives me.

it's not so early though to determine that he's not being honest about his church or the people in his life that he says molded him. either Wright is who Obama says he is, or he's not. Either his church means one thing to him, or it doesn't.

over time (three months to be exact) it's fairly clear, he wants to be President. how bad? well it's pretty f**kin obvious now.

yeah, well from where im sitting its pretty fucking trivial and your "concerns" reek of a partisan hatchet job

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN its pretty fucking trivial and your "concerns" reek of a partisan hatchet job

his Philly speech was trivial?

we're choosing one man to run our country. i don't doubt for a second from where you sit it matter's too much...or does it?

when Bushitler says things like, "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty" or, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will." or, "I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness." or in the words of Palestinian leaders "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
you believe him, right?

as hair-brained and backwards and stupid as you may think uttering those words may be, even from the leader of the free world, you believe him.

OK, so first he gives a speech in Philly where he basically says that he neither condones or agrees with what has been said, but tries to explain the reasoning behind his pastor's comments. Then he decides to no longer be a part of a church with a pastor he has already said he may sympathize with but not agree with.

I guess I just don't see the issue.

I've had friends and acquaintances that have done or said stupid stuff and I've decided to no longer associate with them. That didn't make me "full of shit," because I used to call them friend. Generally speaking, the reason I associate with someone is because of what they say and do. When what they say or do changes, I stay away.

I guess Obama doesn't get to do that without being criticized.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono OK, so first he gives a speech in Philly where he basically says that he neither condones or agrees with what has been said, but tries to explain the reasoning behind his pastor's comments. Then he decides to no longer be a part of a church with a pastor he has already said he may sympathize with but not agree with. I guess I just don't see the issue. I've had friends and acquaintances that have done or said stupid stuff and I've decided to no longer associate with them. That didn't make me "full of shit," because I used to call them friend. Generally speaking, the reason I associate with someone is because of what they say and do. When what they say or do changes, I stay away. I guess Obama doesn't get to do that without being criticized.

after 20 years does he know what his church (formerly) was all about? he wanted us to believe he did.

does Trinity embody the black community in it's entirety? he wanted us to believe it did.

or is this the political expediency of an old kind of politician, as opposed to the "new kind" we've all been hearing about? he wants you to believe he is

therefore, IMHO about race and the politics of race, forget about Wright and what he has written many times about him, indeed he's full of shit.

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Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way�.

He did it because the incident from this past weekend just proved that his church is going to be a neverending distraction as long as it's in the picture.

I'm disappointed that he caved, btw.

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Originally posted by Q5echo after 20 years does he know what his church (formerly) was all about? he wanted us to believe he did. does Trinity embody the black community in it's entirety? he wanted us to believe it did. or is this the political expediency of an old kind of politician, as opposed to the "new kind" we've all been hearing about? he wants you to believe he is therefore, IMHO about race and the politics of race, forget about Wright and what he has written many times about him, indeed he's full of shit.

Again, why is there some sort of time after which you're "locked in" to a particular group or association? I guess if you're raised a particular way you have no choice to remain that way, for fear of being "full of shit" should you change. I guess all friendships and beliefs are static, and if you should decide to change, because the people that are part of those friendships do, you're just a big old fat hypocrite.

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Originally posted by Q5echo after 20 years does he know what his church (formerly) was all about? he wanted us to believe he did. does Trinity embody the black community in it's entirety? he wanted us to believe it did. or is this the political expediency of an old kind of politician, as opposed to the "new kind" we've all been hearing about? he wants you to believe he is therefore, IMHO about race and the politics of race, forget about Wright and what he has written many times about him, indeed he's full of shit.

I have no earthly idea what you're on about here. Wright burned Obama badly, Obama noted that he may not have known Wright as well as he thought, and that he didn't agree with much of the comments trotted out in public. But Obama is supposed to be like Tammy Wynette and stand by his man while the right wing swift boats him? I thought that's what you hate Hillary Clinton for.

This whole discussion makes the right look desperate for something to scandalize.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov This whole discussion makes the right look desperate for something to scandalize.

that's how it feels from across the pacific...

I actually think a far better discussion (and I'm surprised how it hasn't even come up here) would be around how Scott McClellan threw the entire Bush administration under the bus and more recently Ricardo Sanchez:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/...s_n_104664.html

Or has what has been blatantly obvious to most since 2004 become accepted by the 23%rs 4 years after the fact?



/cue arguments of armchair generals ... phony soldiers ... "bitter/disgruntled" employees or whatever the apologist cue cards call for. I can't keep up with it nowadays

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Originally posted by occrider I actually think a far better discussion (and I'm surprised how it hasn't even come up here) would be around how Scott McClellan threw the entire Bush administration under the bus and more recently Ricardo Sanchez:

thread it. just realize one's trying to sell a book who was never in the know, the other's trying to be the President of the United States who was never in the know.

this can never be shown enough to willfully ignorant



ps occ. realize something else. you were dead wrong about the surge. thats what you get when you fall for people like Scott McClellan. now go hop a plane

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I have no earthly idea what you're on about here. Wright burned Obama badly, Obama noted that he may not have known Wright as well as he thought, and that he didn't agree with much of the comments trotted out in public. But Obama is supposed to be like Tammy Wynette and stand by his man while the right wing swift boats him? I thought that's what you hate Hillary Clinton for. This whole discussion makes the right look desperate for something to scandalize.

Obama's "mentor" is a racist who hates white America and is for black power. Obama doesn't put his hand over his heart when the pledge is read. Obama will not wear anything with America on it.

Lebezniatnikov, you must think that people are a little slow up top to honestly ask me to believe that Obama didn't know his "MENTOR" well. Most African-American churches are about politics as much as GOD.

Sure, you can make up excuses for him but I see right through it.

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Originally posted by Incharge1976 Obama's "mentor" is a racist who hate white America and is for black power. Obama doesn't put his hand over his hard when the pledge is read. Obama will not wear anything with America on it. Lebezniatnikov, you must think that people are a little slow up top to honestly ask me to believe that Obama didn't know his "MENTOR" well. Most African-American churches are about politics as much as GOD. Sure, you can make up excuses for him but I see right through it.

do I hear banjos???

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Originally posted by LazFX do I hear banjos???

yes....but it's playing the national anthem and Obama is facing Cuba.

Well, that's where it belongs, isn't it? Well, I suppose it might be less than ideal if it's not a flaming bus.

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Originally posted by Incharge1976 yes....but it's playing the national anthem and Obama is facing Cuba.

i try hard not to be like Josh4 and swing from other dude's sack but that was a good one.

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Originally posted by Incharge1976 Obama's "mentor" is a racist who hates white America and is for black power. Obama doesn't put his hand over his heart when the pledge is read. Obama will not wear anything with America on it.

You're an idiot who doesn't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Three lies in your first post on TA. Congratulations.

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Anti-Semite Hagee Says Antichrist Is a Gay Jew (And Hitler was a Jew Too) By M.J. Rosenberg - June 2, 2008, 1:21PM Thank you, Max Blumenthal, for working the Hagee beat so the rest of us don't have to. So the guy who was AIPAC's keynoter last year and whose Christians United For Israel is hosting Joe Lieberman this year believes that the Anti-Christ is a Jewish gay guy. (Uh oh, I may know him). This is crazy stuff but is also pure unadulterated old-fashioned anti-Semitism. You remember anti-Semitism. It is NOT about criticizing Israel, talking about neoconservatives or disliking Adam Sandler. It is believing that Jews are evil people who are responsible for most of the bad things going on in the world. Its roots lie not in Islam (which both came along and picked up anti-Semitism later) but in Christianity, going as far back as Paul (or Saul, as we not so fondly remember him). In any case, if you think old-fashioned Jew-hatred is dead, get a whiff of this guy, Hagee. McCain did good by breaking with him. But what about Joe Lieberman?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.co..._says_antichri/

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov You're an idiot who doesn't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about. Three lies in your first post on TA. Congratulations.

fortunately I have proof. I meant national anthem by the way, not pledge. I read your garbage thread about McCain and I find it funny that you can't post Obama's gaffes. You want to vote in a man who doesn't know how many states are in America, what towns he is speaking in, throws his family members under the bus in front of the entire country and spent 20 years in a church that preaches "white hate", all led by his "mentor". Obama CONDEMNED Imus for his racial remarks on national TV and said he would not be working for him but supported his WHITE HATING reverend. Go try you BS on someone else.

National Anthem Rules - During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. -- United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171

Obviously the pin isn't the only thing he doesn't want to do.

The only thing that can stop Obama from winning now is going back and undoing eight years of Dubya. Get started on that time machine. I'll help you with the mathematics.

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Originally posted by Zild The only thing that can stop Obama from winning now is going back and undoing eight years of Dubya. Get started on that time machine. I'll help you with the mathematics.

If I could go back 8 years, I would probably be living in Twilo and would have no time for politics.

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Originally posted by Incharge1976 If I could go back 8 years, I would probably be living in Twilo and would have no time for politics.

Sounds like fun. Let's go!

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