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Posted by aBigWreck on Jun-02-2008 20:37:

can't decide what to upgrade next

I'm having a lot of trouble trying to decide what to upgrade first in my dj setup

So my current setup is 2x CDJ 200's, a Numark dxm 06, and I'm running Torq off my desktop because my laptop has a ton of hard drive noise. I eventually want to get a new laptop that I can solely dedicate to my mixing.

Before today I planned on upgrading my dxm 06 mixer to a PioneerDJM-400 before anything else. But then today I found a cheap cdj 1000 on craigslist for 480$ This sounds like a steal and would definitely be an upgrade for me. I need to upgrade everything eventually, I'm just trying to figure out what should come first. I know I should upgrade my mixer to get a decent one, but the cdj 1000 is so cheap.

Anyway, I'm just curious what other TA's would do in my situation.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-02-2008 20:49:

Re: can't decide what to upgrade next

That price seems pretty cheap for a CDJ-1000, how old is it? I'd be wary of a well used 1000 MK1 or MK2.

Your 200's are pretty decent, but I can see how not having vinyl emulation is tad annoying when used with a DVS.

I'd say go for a better mixer or new laptop.

P.S. You can do better than the DJM-400. It's lack of a record output or booth output will really limit you in the future. Don't be lured solely by the effects, look at any mixer purely as a mixer first, effects are simply superfluous. The new Eclers look great and are in that same price range (2.0, 3.0, etc.).

quote:
Originally posted by aBigWreck
I'm having a lot of trouble trying to decide what to upgrade first in my dj setup

So my current setup is 2x CDJ 200's, a Numark dxm 06, and I'm running Torq off my desktop because my laptop has a ton of hard drive noise. I eventually want to get a new laptop that I can solely dedicate to my mixing.

Before today I planned on upgrading my dxm 06 mixer to a PioneerDJM-400 before anything else. But then today I found a cheap cdj 1000 on craigslist for 480$ This sounds like a steal and would definitely be an upgrade for me. I need to upgrade everything eventually, I'm just trying to figure out what should come first. I know I should upgrade my mixer to get a decent one, but the cdj 1000 is so cheap.

Anyway, I'm just curious what other TA's would do in my situation.


Posted by miamitranceman on Jun-04-2008 01:07:

I would go with the mixer upgrade first. I've got a 400 with Torq actually and it's a great quality mixer. The only downside, like Ryan aid, is the lack of a booth out and balanced outs. If you never plan on taking it with you and playing out, it's not a big deal. Hell, even if you do, it's still not a big deal. I've used my 400 on a huge outdoor stage for an event and it worked and sounded fine.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-04-2008 14:13:

The lack of a record out is a bigger deal for me.

How the F do you record your sets? If you use the other master out, that means you can't touch the master volume control on the mixer or your recording will also pick it up... really lameo.

Ecler 2.0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_-el_nldtlg

It's a little scratch oriented but the feature set is great for the price and size.

quote:
Originally posted by miamitranceman
I would go with the mixer upgrade first. I've got a 400 with Torq actually and it's a great quality mixer. The only downside, like Ryan aid, is the lack of a booth out and balanced outs. If you never plan on taking it with you and playing out, it's not a big deal. Hell, even if you do, it's still not a big deal. I've used my 400 on a huge outdoor stage for an event and it worked and sounded fine.


Posted by blacknoizybox on Jun-04-2008 19:58:

buy a beer ffs


Posted by miamitranceman on Jun-06-2008 02:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
The lack of a record out is a bigger deal for me.

How the F do you record your sets? If you use the other master out, that means you can't touch the master volume control on the mixer or your recording will also pick it up... really lameo.

Ecler 2.0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_-el_nldtlg

It's a little scratch oriented but the feature set is great for the price and size.



I see what you're saying but I've never had a problem by just using the gain to adjust volume.


Posted by jpgrdnr on Jun-06-2008 03:11:

Going from the Numark to any 2 chan mixer with better build quality: Denon, Pioneer, Ecler, A+H, Rane, maybe even the Mackie D2
and you will notice a WORLD of difference. It really makes mixing that much more enjoyable.

Think of it like going from a Ford Escort to a BMW, Benz etc.

I went from a DM1002MKII to a DNX1500S. Blown away.

Save you money and get a mixer that works for you. Its worth it.

btw, the sound quality is NOTICEABLE between Numarks and something more high-end.


Posted by veezee on Jun-06-2008 06:06:

I couldnt be happier with my ecler nuo 2 . sounds amazing and does what it needs too. Oh and they layout is sweet aswell.

Jay


Posted by aBigWreck on Jun-12-2008 16:16:

so the sound out of the Ecler is far superior to the Numark? Just watched that video on it and it really looks great. Very simple and straightforward.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Jun-12-2008 16:18:

Upgrade the mixer for sure.


Posted by Fraz on Jun-12-2008 19:30:

I just made a small upgrade... from two CDJ200's and a DJX700 to a DJM400 and a couple of CDJ1000mk3's.

I have to say I am having more fun with the mixer upgrade than I am with the 1000s (not that I dont like the 1000s )


Posted by Clovis on Jun-12-2008 19:33:

Mixer = most important piece of your setup imo


Posted by gl.tch on Jun-12-2008 20:10:

another vote for upgrading your mixer.

and I second the notion of purchasing a quality mixer. ie, Pioneer, Ecler, A&H, higher-end Vestax, or Rane.


Posted by princesultan on Jun-13-2008 19:42:

upgrade the mixer. i upgraded my mixer from a pioneer djm 300 to an ecler nuo 2. i knew nothing about ecler until i got some advice from some forums. it was a great decision.

for what you get...pioneer mixers are wayyyyy overpriced. don't get the djm400...it's just not worth it.


Posted by aLviNx80 on Jun-14-2008 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Mixer = most important piece of your setup imo



+1

Definitely..

Upgrading from a perfectly good pair of cdj200 to old pairs of 1000's isn't worth it imo..


Posted by stan229 on Jun-14-2008 04:55:

I'm also on the hunt for a new mixer.. What would you guys recommend upgrading from a Vestax VMC-004.. price range about $5-600
Have been looking at the Xone 32 but would probably love a 62.. even though i've never used studio style faders


Posted by L.E.N. on Jun-18-2008 23:11:

Ive been happy with my DJM400.Its just for private/home use anyway. Wasnt expencive. I record through a couple rack mount items I had from the past.(compressor and a converter analog to digital) I havent ran into any troubles soundwise. I havent come accross anything that made me regret the purchase. Hell I dont really use the effects either. It doesnt suck but there are others that may have other requirements that the DJM400 just doesnt meet.


Posted by wesleysnipez on Jun-18-2008 23:34:

I would do mixer and all to what your budget can handle. That way it give you time to practice on it to get use to before get better CDJ that also will change your way you play some.


Posted by Allied Nations on Jun-19-2008 13:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Mixer = most important piece of your setup imo



i beg to differ dude




ive played on the shittiest mixers in the world and the only person it generally affects is ME-

as long as you can play CDs/Vinyls/whatever, THAT is the most important thing.


no music no life



but then again, a mixer is a very worthwhile upgrade to a beginner setup.


Posted by Clovis on Jun-19-2008 17:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Allied Nations
as long as you can play CDs/Vinyls/whatever, THAT is the most important thing.

no music no life



Well, isn't that obvious? lol


I mean. Oviously I'm not saying having a mixer by itself is more important than getting decks/players first, but when it comes down to it, the mixer is where the MIX happens. Good sound quality and comfort of use go a long way when you're playing.

I'd rather play on a good mixer with CDJ-100s than a crap mixer with DVDJs, personally.


Posted by spdandpwr on Jun-20-2008 23:38:

For the most part, everyone is right here. While I think the numark is a decent mixer for the price, I would recommend replacing it before moving on to your cd players. Typcially, trance music doesn't really require using scratch features that make the 800's appealing.


Posted by Neo95gt on Jun-21-2008 00:52:

I have the same exact setup as you including Torq, haha.

From this thread I'm really looking at the Ecler Nuo 2, but am confused between the 2 and 2.0. I understand the 2.0 has a couple more fader features good for scratch DJs and I also heard that the sound is a little better. Is this true? I don't scratch so I was thinking about just getting the 2 since it's a little cheaper but I don't want to sacrafice sound quality.

Anybody know??


Posted by aBigWreck on Jun-24-2008 22:14:

I assumed 2= 2.0 ?
I wasn't aware there was a difference, if possible I would just try them both out and see which one you like more.


Posted by dainja on Jun-30-2008 13:50:

Replace the Numark

It'll improve your EQing tenfold. Numark EQs are the worst.


Posted by stan229 on Jul-01-2008 02:28:

this is a question for you pioneer guys out there...
How would you compare the up-faders on djm 400 or 600 to the 800? I've played on the 800 before and I noticed the faders were super smooth and just a great experience to play on. They feel almost as if there's some magnetic rail causing some small amount of resistance that makes it just right


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