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Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:06:

FAO: Vegetarians or Ppl that KNOW ingredients on food packages

Are there any of these ppl in the CORe? It's a long post but I just need the bold & underlined answered after you look at the ingredients. I also bolded some key words.

There is a brand of vegan/vegetarian frozen foods that I love.. But the ingrediants list is the entire side of the box! I just wanna know if it's better to eat the real thing? I'm not a vegeterian I just don't eat Cow or Pig anymore.


Morningstar Farms� Buffalo Wings Veggie Wings
Ingredients:
TEXTURED VEGETABLE PROTEIN (SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, WATER FOR HYDRATION), WATER, ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR (FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID), CORN OIL, CORNSTARCH, WHEAT STARCH, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF SALT, METHYLCELLULOSE, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, SUGAR, DEXTROSE, ARTIFICIAL VINEGAR FLAVOR (MALIC ACID, SODIUM ACETATE, LACTOSE, FUMARIC ACID), POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, GARLIC, AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS FROM NON-MEAT SOURCES, SPICES, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, TAPIOCA DEXTRIN, DISODIUM INOSINATE, DRIED YEAST, CARAMEL COLOR, MALTODEXTRIN, HYDROLYZED SOY PROTEIN, PAPRIKA EXTRACT FOR COLOR, XANTHAN GUM, SODIUM ALGINATE, CELLULOSE GUM, YELLOW CORN FLOUR, INULIN FROM CHICORY ROOT, ONION, ANNATTO EXTRACT FOR COLOR, NONFAT DRY MILK, DEHYDRATED BUTTER (CREAM, NONFAT MILK, SALT, ANNATTO COLOR), SODIUM ACETATE, PAPRIKA FOR COLOR, MALIC ACID, BAKING SODA, CELERY EXTRACT, WHEAT FIBER, LACTIC ACID, BARLEY EXTRACT, NIACINAMIDE, EGG WHITES, CITRIC ACID, SUCCINIC ACID, IRON (FERROUS SULFATE), THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), VITAMIN B12, TURMERIC FOR COLOR.

Allergen Information:
CONTAINS SOY, WHEAT, MILK AND EGG INGREDIENTS.


I have another one too that is Vegan ..
Morningstar Farms� Veggie Bites Country Scramble
Ingredients:
COOKED EGG SUBSTITUTE (EGG WHITES, NONFAT MILK, CALCIUM CASEINATE, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, CORN OIL, SALT, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, BETA CAROTENE FOR COLOR, IRON [FERRIC ORTHOPHOSPHATE], VITAMIN D3, ZINC [ZINC SULFATE], CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE, VITAMIN B2 [RIBOFLAVIN], VITAMIN B1 [THIAMIN MONONITRATE], VITAMIN B6 [PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE], VITAMIN B12), WATER, CRUMBLED VEGGIE PATTIES (TEXTURED VEGETABLE PROTEIN [WHEAT GLUTEN, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, WATER FOR HYDRATION], EGG WHITES, CORN OIL, SODIUM CASEINATE, MODIFIED TAPIOCA STARCH, LACTOSE, SOYBEAN OIL, HYDROLYZED VEGETABLE PROTEIN [WHEAT GLUTEN, CORN GLUTEN, SOY PROTEIN], AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, SPICES, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, SODIUM PHOSPHATES [TRIPOLYPHOSPHATE, TETRAPYROPHOSPHATE, HEXAMETAPHOSPHATE, MONOPHOSPHATE], SALT, DISODIUM INOSINATE, CARAMEL COLOR, CELLULOSE GUM, WHEY POWDER, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, MALTODEXTRIN, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, DEXTROSE, ONION POWDER, DISODIUM GUANYLATE, SUCCINIC ACID, ASCORBIC ACID, LACTIC ACID, BREWERS YEAST, TORULA YEAST, SOY LECITHIN), BLEACHED WHEAT FLOUR, ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID), SOYBEAN OIL, CHEDDAR CHEESE (PASTEURIZED MILK, SALT, ENZYMES, CULTURES, ANNATTO), ONION, GREEN PEPPER, RED BELL PEPPER, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF WHEAT PROTEIN, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, FLAX MEAL, MULTIGRAIN BLEND (WHEAT, RYE, TRITICALE, BARLEY, YELLOW CORN, MILLET, SOY, FLAXSEED), SALT, MODIFIED CORN STARCH, WHOLE ROLLED OATS, EGG WHITES, WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, MALTODEXTRIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, VEGETABLE OIL (CANOLA, SOYBEAN AND/OR SUNFLOWER OIL), SPICES, DEFATTED SOY FLOUR, YELLOW CORN FLOUR, LEAVENING (SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, BAKING SODA), RICE FLOUR, DEXTROSE, EGG POWDER, WHEAT GLUTEN, SUGAR, METHYLCELLULOSE, CORN SYRUP SOLIDS, WHEY, DISTILLED VINEGAR, XANTHAN GUM, AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, TURMERIC AND PAPRIKA EXTRACTS FOR COLOR, NATURAL HICKORY SMOKE FLAVOR, YEAST, CARRAGEENAN, NIACINAMIDE, MONOSODIUM PHOSPHATE, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, IRON [FERROUS SULFATE], YEAST NUTRIENTS (AMMONIUM CHLORIDE, CALCIUM SULFATE), DOUGH CONDITIONERS (ASCORBIC ACID, L-CYSTEINE HYDROCHLORIDE), THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), VITAMIN B12, TORULA YEAST, ONION POWDER, GARLIC POWDER.

Allergen Information:
CONTAINS EGG, MILK, WHEAT AND SOY INGREDIENTS.


Posted by verndogs on Jun-03-2008 20:08:

They taste good and are safe to eat, but you'll be hungry within an hour of eating them


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:11:

quote:
Originally posted by verndogs
They taste good and are safe to eat, but you'll be hungry within an hour of eating them
yeah I fuking love it but the fact that you look at something "healthy" and the ingredients list is HUGE-O-MUNGUS, scares me.

Plus some of the words I don't even know... even though the idiot version is sometimes in parenthesis!


Posted by Zoso on Jun-03-2008 20:12:

I think with anything processed, you're just going to have a difficult time avoid chemical(s) x,y,z.


Posted by Warble on Jun-03-2008 20:14:

The wings are are ok.
Better spicy veggie wings out there than morning farms IMO

Veggie bites seem kinda nasty.
Not to big on morning farms stuff.

It's pretty much junk food and doesn't consitute nutrition.

As far as it being better than the real thing?
Presonally i perfer textured vegitable protein over the flesh of animals anyday. Thats just me tho.


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jun-03-2008 20:14:

Re: FAO: Vegetarians or Ppl that KNOW ingredients on food packages

quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
I just wanna know if it's better to eat the real thing?


What do you mean by "the real thing?" Like, eat vegetables instead of veggie burgers?

I eat Morningstar, too. Well, I eat the burgers. I havent tried anything else.

You have to decide what you have a problem with. If you want to eat all natural foods, then obviously you cant shop out of the freezer anymore. But if it's just that you want to stay away from the harmful shit that's in meat from cattle farms and the like, then Im sure eating Morningstar is fine.

Most stuff is bad for you if you eat it constantly. If youre eating a veggie burger even every other day, then I think it's a-okay.

Speaking of "what's in the beef you eat," how about some fossil fuels? Yes, thats right. Actual fossil fuels comprise about 10% of a fast food burger (proven by running said burger through a mass spectrometer).

Sick sick sick! Not to mention the antibiotics that we ingest... no wonder we are devolving.


Posted by dj tek on Jun-03-2008 20:17:

i cant stand veggies that rock veggie versions of meat meals... lol

it just says u crave that meat ! tru veggie niggas wouldnt even linger for such and rather embrace the plant greatness lol

sorry mel just felt like fuckin with you.. veggie burgers, veggie sausage..lol


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jun-03-2008 20:18:

quote:
Originally posted by dj tek
i cant stand veggies that rock veggie versions of meat meals... lol

it just says u crave that meat ! tru veggie niggas wouldnt even linger for such and rather embrace the plant greatness lol

sorry mel just felt like fuckin with you.. veggie burgers, veggie sausage..lol


You gotta love it for what it is. We dont eat them because we want a replacement for burgers, we eat them because theyre good. I hardly expect it to be anything like a beef burger. But when everyone is grilling out and you want to grill, a veggie burger and veggie-kabob is an awesome deal.


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:19:

Re: Re: FAO: Vegetarians or Ppl that KNOW ingredients on food packages

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
What do you mean by "the real thing?" Like, eat vegetables instead of veggie burgers?

I eat Morningstar, too. Well, I eat the burgers. I havent tried anything else.

You have to decide what you have a problem with. If you want to eat all natural foods, then obviously you cant shop out of the freezer anymore. But if it's just that you want to stay away from the harmful shit that's in meat from cattle farms and the like, then Im sure eating Morningstar is fine.

Most stuff is bad for you if you eat it constantly. If youre eating a veggie burger even every other day, then I think it's a-okay.

Speaking of "what's in the beef you eat," how about some fossil fuels? Yes, thats right. Actual fossil fuels comprise about 10% of a fast food burger (proven by running said burger through a mass spectrometer).

Sick sick sick! Not to mention the antibiotics that we ingest... no wonder we are devolving.
haha sorry.. I didn't mean the vegetable part.. Is it better to eat real chicken for protein or real eggs.

If you guys eat soy buffalo wings or other brands.. please SHARE!


p.s.. fossil fuels???????? did i read that right!?!


Posted by dj tek on Jun-03-2008 20:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
You gotta love it for what it is. We dont eat them because we want a replacement for burgers, we eat them because theyre good. I hardly expect it to be anything like a beef burger. But when everyone is grilling out and you want to grill, a veggie burger and veggie-kabob is an awesome deal.


i disagree... meat eaters wont ever want a veggie version of it...


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:21:

quote:
Originally posted by dj tek
i cant stand veggies that rock veggie versions of meat meals... lol

it just says u crave that meat ! tru veggie niggas wouldnt even linger for such and rather embrace the plant greatness lol

sorry mel just felt like fuckin with you.. veggie burgers, veggie sausage..lol
I;m not gonna lie. I'm a fuking spic and we grow up roasting entire pigs for x-mas eve plus all our basic foods include plenty o'cow meat!

I just wanna eat a little better than I did growing up. This isn't about "veggies" more like..... meat substitutes [soy] + whatever else is in that package! haha

edit -
quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
But if it's just that you want to stay away from the harmful shit that's in meat from cattle farms and the like, then Im sure eating Morningstar is fine.
That's me!^


Posted by dj tek on Jun-03-2008 20:22:

quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
I;m not gonna lie. I'm a fuking spic and we grow up roasting entire pigs for x-mas eve plus all our basic foods include plenty o'cow meat!

I just wanna eat a little better than I did growing up. This isn't about "veggies" more like..... meat substitutes [soy] + whatever else is in that package! haha

ic.. so you aint a vegetarian, just a mind spark about healthiness...


Posted by biznology on Jun-03-2008 20:23:

tbh, its always better to 'eat the real thing' as if you actually made it, you generally know what actually went into it.

i try to follow this more as processed foods are now loaded with soy and i am allergic. its a pain sometimes, and you cant make everything you always want without a complicated recipe, but ive nailed a few things that are pretty damn good, not nec meat free tho.

i prefer quorn when it comes to the morningstar type deals as quorn is soy free. but if you are really worried about health and not eating meat, its time to start researching recipes and cooking for yourself.

fajitas are always a good start, meat or non meat|


Posted by AMMORA on Jun-03-2008 20:23:

I've been a vegetarian my entire life.
Morningstar Farms is kind of a joke in the veggie meat community. They've been credited with making the first "soy" burger, "Grillers" which are really my favorite of the fake-meat burgers, but they're totally not GOOD for you. Its just a way for me to have a burger to grill at a BBQ that doesn't taste like cardboard.
Most of the morningstar products use a lot of filler ingredients that equal more calories and less nutrients.
Boca makes chicken nugget things that are slightly better for you and I think taste better overall compared to the ones morningstar makes.
Most new vegetarians or people just looking for a meat alternative really like the morningstar brand b/c its kinda greasy and more meat-like..satisfies the "fast food" cravings, but is def better for you than McDonalds.

If you start feeling really bold, try Tofurky deli slices...the cranberry and stuffing kind is my faaaavorite.
Oooo Ooo and veggie Shrimp are THE BEST ever!
i love veggie meats :-D


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:23:

quote:
Originally posted by dj tek
ic.. so you aint a vegetarian, just a mind spark about healthiness...
lol tek! Read the first 2 lil paragraphs before I list the ingredients. "I am not a vegeterian"


Posted by bas on Jun-03-2008 20:23:

Vegetarian food doesn't necessarily mean organic

If you're worried about all the weird stuff, get Trader Joes frozen foods. They tend to be organic.


Posted by biznology on Jun-03-2008 20:26:

oh and not eating pork just because is stupid, as it is the most delicious|


Posted by AMMORA on Jun-03-2008 20:26:

Re: Re: Re: FAO: Vegetarians or Ppl that KNOW ingredients on food packages

quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
haha sorry.. I didn't mean the vegetable part.. Is it better to eat real chicken for protein or real eggs.

If you guys eat soy buffalo wings or other brands.. please SHARE!


p.s.. fossil fuels???????? did i read that right!?!


BTW they use real eggs...there are absolutely no "fake eggs" on the market in veggie-meat land. they're using fake veggie bacon or sausage in this particular one, which is the TVP.


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:26:

quote:
Originally posted by AMMORA
I've been a vegetarian my entire life.
Morningstar Farms is kind of a joke in the veggie meat community. They've been credited with making the first "soy" burger, "Grillers" which are really my favorite of the fake-meat burgers, but they're totally not GOOD for you. Its just a way for me to have a burger to grill at a BBQ that doesn't taste like cardboard.
Most of the morningstar products use a lot of filler ingredients that equal more calories and less nutrients.
Boca makes chicken nugget things that are slightly better for you and I think taste better overall compared to the ones morningstar makes.
Most new vegetarians or people just looking for a meat alternative really like the morningstar brand b/c its kinda greasy and more meat-like..satisfies the "fast food" cravings, but is def better for you than McDonalds.

If you start feeling really bold, try Tofurky deli slices...the cranberry and stuffing kind is my faaaavorite.
Oooo Ooo and veggie Shrimp are THE BEST ever!
i love veggie meats :-D


Boca Burgers are my favorite "grilled" and "soy" burgers. I gotta try that tofurkey.. But I do eat Turkey burgers. [Didn't cut off turkey or chicken]

now where the hell did u find veggie shrimp? lol!


Posted by dj tek on Jun-03-2008 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
lol tek! Read the first 2 lil paragraphs before I list the ingredients. "I am not a vegeterian"


i was tryin to avoid reading the first post as possible and youve just reassured it so i wont have to... this is why i love petite latinas that arent ugly... u go girl..


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jun-03-2008 20:27:

OKay I see.

Honestly, if youre eating any kind of meat that comes from a big farm, its going to be shit. Even fish. If the fish arent naturally caught, theyre going to have problems.

Knowing what I know (and I actually know more than Id like to about the way food is processed) Id say that going vegetarian is better. You dont have to give up your Morningstar, but maybe dont eat 5 a day. Everything in moderation.

(The thing about fossil fuels in the beef - yes - the fertilizer they use for the corn and grain in the feed is fossil fuel based. Therefore, the cattle/chickens are ingesting fuel. ALSO, did you know that they feed cows cow-patties and ground beef? Thats why they have to keep all the cows on antibiotics. Nature has devised a way to keep us from eating our own shit and eating each other - you get really fucking sick and die. Antibiotics keep them from getting sick and dying, but then you get to eat the antibiotic, too. Not good!)


Posted by AMMORA on Jun-03-2008 20:31:

quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
Boca Burgers are my favorite "grilled" and "soy" burgers. I gotta try that tofurkey.. But I do eat Turkey burgers. [Didn't cut off turkey or chicken]

now where the hell did u find veggie shrimp? lol!


i ordered them frozen from a website in china...seriously, for people allergic to shrimp or vegetarians like me that just don't eat shrimp, they're freakin amazing. everyone i know that has tried them says they taste just like real shrimp but without the slight "crunch" real shrimp have..they're slightly chewy instead, but you can grill, bake, fry, saute, etc--anything Bubba would do with real shrimp you can do with these! I make a lot of vegetarian Thai food and use fake veggie meats i order from sketchy chinese websites


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
OKay I see.

Honestly, if youre eating any kind of meat that comes from a big farm, its going to be shit. Even fish. If the fish arent naturally caught, theyre going to have problems.

Knowing what I know (and I actually know more than Id like to about the way food is processed) Id say that going vegetarian is better. You dont have to give up your Morningstar, but maybe dont eat 5 a day. Everything in moderation.

(The thing about fossil fuels in the beef - yes - the fertilizer they use for the corn and grain in the feed is fossil fuel based. Therefore, the cattle/chickens are ingesting fuel. ALSO, did you know that they feed cows cow-patties and ground beef? Thats why they have to keep all the cows on antibiotics. Nature has devised a way to keep us from eating our own shit and eating each other - you get really fucking sick and die. Antibiotics keep them from getting sick and dying, but then you get to eat the antibiotic, too. Not good!)


Obviously everything should be done in moderation. I don't know if I can become a "vegeterian". It would be too strict for me and I'm just looking to eat a little healthier. I do get chicken that is 100% natural and they say the chickens weren't given hormones etc..


Ang- Are u a vegeterian? You know alot! thx btw ;]


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jun-03-2008 20:33:

quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
I do get chicken that is 100% natural and they say the chickens weren't given hormones etc..


Yeah just make sure you know where it came from and what it was fed. If it claims to be "natural" then it probably is, but I admit I dont know how they regulate certain words/claims. Also, "free-range" tends to be good.

quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
Ang- Are u a vegeterian? You know alot! thx btw ;]


I do what youre thinking about doing. I dont eat meat on a daily basis, but sometimes I have it when we go out to dinner on the weekends. I also eat dairy and fish. Although not much fish.


Posted by MeLLyMeL on Jun-03-2008 20:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Yeah just make sure you know where it came from and what it was fed. If it claims to be "natural" then it probably is, but I admit I dont know how they regulate certain words/claims. Also, "free-range" tends to be good.
Yeah that's what I think too. Not like it tastes any different but only thing to do is probably research online. Next time I buy. I forgot the brand.

quote:
Originally posted by AMMORA
i ordered them frozen from a website in china...seriously, for people allergic to shrimp or vegetarians like me that just don't eat shrimp, they're freakin amazing. everyone i know that has tried them says they taste just like real shrimp but without the slight "crunch" real shrimp have..they're slightly chewy instead, but you can grill, bake, fry, saute, etc--anything Bubba would do with real shrimp you can do with these! I make a lot of vegetarian Thai food and use fake veggie meats i order from sketchy chinese websites


Sketchy chinese sites? uhhh..... you can't find any legit places that sell veggie meats?


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