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Posted by chinamon on Jun-12-2008 00:24:

canada is starting to suck. im moving to china (and im taking jennypie with me)

Copyright bill expected to target downloading

Jun 11, 2008 07:37 PM
THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA�The federal government is expected to introduce legislation Thursday that will seek to make it easier to prosecute individuals who download copyrighted material from the Internet.

Industry Minister Jim Prentice said in an a release from his office late Wednesday that he will table amendments to the Copyright Law in the House of Commons on Thursday morning.

The bill, which will amend the existing Copyright Act, was first put on the House of Commons order paper in December, but then was held in limbo for the next six months as speculation built about what it contained.

The long-awaited changes are a hot political potato for Prentice, who must find a middle ground between business interests who want strict protection for intellectual property, including recordings and films, and Internet users accustomed to downloading material free.

There's speculation is that Prentice will try to come down the middle as much as possible, imposing a $500 fine on individuals caught downloading copyrighted files.

The current copyright law, which was intended to catch commercial cheaters, carries a maximum fine of $20,000 for infringements.

If such a fine were to be included in the amendments, it would likely leave both sides unhappy � industry groups that the fine is small, consumers that the fine applies to each file download.

The current copyright law, which was intended to catch commercial cheaters, carries a maximum fine of $20,000 for infringements.

University of Ottawa professor Michael Geist, who teaches technology law, said he is concerned the amendments will mirror too closely the restrictive legislation in the United States.

"I expect Minister Prentice to characterize the law as a Made in Canada solution, yet the reality will be that the key provisions are born in the USA," he said.

"In doing so, the new law will have serious negative effects for Canadian consumers who could be locked out of their own purchased content, as well as for privacy, education, and research."

Geist said he expects some provisions aimed at pleasing consumer interests such as the legalizing of recording time-shifted television shows, but that most of the new rules will be contrary to consumer interests.

"Striking an appropriate balance in respect to copyright as between consumers and industry is an important part of the equation," Prentice has said recently.

Exactly where that balance will end up could affect everything from how Canadians use their televisions to whether authorities will be able to snoop on what people download through their Internet connection.

The video game industry wants the law strengthened to allow Internet service providers to monitor high-speed downloads and shut down transfers containing unauthorized copies of games and other files.

The government has also been lobbied by American industry groups to follow the U.S. government's lead and restrict people from making backup copies of compact discs and DVD's which they have purchased legally.

Canada's current copyright law was drawn up long before personal computers and iPods were in every home. As a result of outdated wording and a few court cases, the existing law is a confusing stew of rules that most people are not aware of.

The music industry says Canadians continue to make unauthorized music downloads because the law does not clearly make it illegal. The industry lost a court battle in 2005 when it tried to force Internet service providers to provide the names of downloaders.

Other everyday acts, such as recording a TV show or taking music from a compact disc and putting it on an MP3 player are illegal but are never enforced, says Geist.

source: http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/441634


Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-12-2008 00:32:

god forbid that we should actually have to buy music again


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-12-2008 00:35:

Welp, see ya later!


Posted by chinamon on Jun-12-2008 00:36:

quote:
Originally posted by jennypie
Welp, see ya later!


title edited.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-12-2008 00:42:


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Jun-12-2008 00:49:

its about damn time...you are all going to jail


Posted by DigiNut on Jun-12-2008 00:51:

In a related story, Rogers Cable has ordered new billstock that accomodates an extra 4 digits in excess bandwidth fees they are expecting to charge this month.


Posted by exstasie on Jun-12-2008 00:53:

yeah, this was announced last week. It's not going to go through, but they can try.


and if it does go through, i'm coming with you Jay...

except that I don't know how i'll get over the border
I don't think it says in this article, but in the bill that is being proposed the want to allow custom agents the authority to search electronic devices for illegal software...


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-12-2008 00:56:

SEE YOU ALL IN SWEDEN


Posted by Abercrombie on Jun-12-2008 01:00:

What next... my exes will all demand royalties for the clips we took on my celphone and posted on redtube?


Posted by exstasie on Jun-12-2008 01:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
What next... my exes will all demand royalties for the clips we took on my celphone and posted on redtube?


...so that was YOU on RedTube! I knew it

I mean...wtf is Redtube


Posted by chinamon on Jun-12-2008 01:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
What next... my exes will all demand royalties for the clips we took on my celphone and posted on redtube?


that was you that we were all laughing at in the tranny section?


Posted by Orko on Jun-12-2008 01:15:

Posted this in the other thread, but its more relevant here:


quote:
Secret ACTA treaty may include ISP filtering

ISP filtering of "pirated" material is a controversial measure that would be tough to push through a national legislature in the US, EU, Japan, Korea, or Canada, what with all those pesky "voters" with their concerns about privacy, fair use, and false positives. But sneaking the provision into a trade agreement? Much easier.

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) has been negotiated in secret by trade negotiators from rich countries around the globe. Despite the recent leak of a four-page memo on possible ACTA provisions, no draft text (or details of any kind, really) have emerged from the process. Google's William Patry, a top US copyright lawyer, now says that anonymous sources close to the ACTA process have slipped him more details on the plan, and they don't sound good.

Bring on the filters
Writing on his blog yesterday, Patry noted that two separate sources talked about filtering. "The rumors of what is in the draft are pretty much all bad and the scope is growing, not shrinking," said one. "It is even said that the latest version has filtering language in it."The second report was similar.

ACTA negotiators are meeting in Geneva this week to hash out more details of the proposed deal, but their work is already generating furious online opposition from people like Patry, who thunders, "The attitude of USTR [United States Trade Representative] toward copyright is a blinkered, one-sided view that copyright is good and therefore as much of it as possible is even better."

A shroud of secrecy
Critics are blasting the secret nature of the proceedings, which they see as a way to negotiate and sign a "trade" deal which will then be presented to national legislatures as something already done.

"This 'patriot act' for intellectual property 'crimes' may be one of the late legacies of the Bush Administration," writes James Love of the Consumer Project on Technology. "It would be nice to have more transparency about such a far-reaching and important global trade agreement."

Patry agrees that "we do not want our trade representatives to negotiate on their own agreements that require changes in domestic copyright laws and then present the agreement after signature to the legislature as a fait d'accompli."

Alan Story, a Senior Lecturer in Intellectual Property Law at the UK's University of Kent, objects not just to the secret process behind ACTA but also to the idea that stronger copyright is better copyright.

"Where do we read about how copyright blocks access to books or leads to ever greater commodification and sameness in our culture?" he asks. "Instead, we are regularly carpet-bombed by the latest revelation, accompanied by statistically unreliable surveys, as to how piracy is, one week, killing the music industry, and the next week, the film industry. Lock �em up, cut off their Internet access forever, piracy funds terrorist cells: the articles never cease in this steady drip after drip."

Because of the secrecy, though, it's hard even to criticize ACTA; no one yet knows what it might say. But if Patry's sources are correct, the agreement may go far beyond "fighting fakes" (as the USTR said last year) and could attempt to force new, tougher IP provisions on everyone who signs up.

Such a policy, negotiated at institutions like the World Trade Organization (WTO), would require more transparency and would be certain to raise more objections from countries and civil society groups. By forming its own club and including only select countries in the draft, ACTA can remain both secret and totally pro-copyright. That's a bad combination.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...provisions.html


quote:
Copyright bill faces obstacles
TORONTO and OTTAWA � The federal government is on the verge of tabling new copyright legislation, but already sources in Ottawa say there is little chance the proposed changes will be passed under a minority government.

Industry Minister Jim Prentice told reporters yesterday that he will not table the legislation until he is satisfied it contains "the appropriate balance." Meanwhile, Ottawa insiders were told yesterday the legislation will not be tabled until next week.

With Parliament set to break soon for summer, however, two sources close to the matter indicated the legislation is expected to be left to die by the minority Conservative government, rather than attempting to implement any controversial rules or penalties for illegal downloading.

"It's not going to see the light of day," said one Ottawa lobbyist. "Copyright legislation is so contentious in its nature, that for any minority government it is extraordinarily difficult to find a balance that is actually going to have a chance of adoption."

The government has promised a number of organizations, including the Canadian Independent Record Production Association (CIRPA), that the new legislation would be tabled before the House of Commons breaks for the summer.

"We've been assured that something will emerge in this session," said Duncan McKie, president and chief executive of CIRPA. "But it's obvious that even if the bill were introduced now there's clearly little time before the summer break to deal with it, so I expect that we won't get to the serious business of discussing the specific issues until this fall."

The government is under pressure from foreign governments and a number of lobby groups to update the aging Copyright Act of Canada with legislation that would make it easier to track and punish consumers who infringe copyrights by burning CDs and ripping movies.

This isn't the first time the Conservative government has tried to update Canada's copyright legislation, which was last overhauled in 1997.

In December, 2006, new legislation was derailed and eventually scrapped after a grassroots Internet campaign protested against the new rules amid fears they too closely resembled the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which has been criticized as being unfairly stacked against consumers.

Reports suggest that the updated Canadian legislation, which Ottawa insiders say is likely to surface either Tuesday or Wednesday next week, could lead to consumers facing fines of as much as $500 for every illegal file they download from the Internet. It could also make it illegal to unlock cellphones, transfer music from CDs to digital music players such as iPods, or copy time shifted television programs.

Last week a leaked document revealed that the Conservatives are also negotiating with a number of other governments, including the U.S. and the European Union, to establish a new international copyright agreement, dubbed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA).

The new agreement would allow border guards and other security officials to inspect devices such as laptops and iPods for music, videos and other media that violates copyright laws. Any devices found to contain copyright-infringing material could be confiscated, or even destroyed, leading to fines for their owners.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...Technology/home


Posted by devnull on Jun-12-2008 01:47:

i hate that prentice guy. If that law goes in, shops like modchip.ca will close. They didnt even consult the public and try to push that one forward. I pray for it to not go thru!

Stupid lobbyist companies sleeping with the conservative and harper on his knees in front of bush

To fight against this bill, use this form to email the gov to say you are against
http://www.modchip.ca/cdmca_letter_wizard.html

im with Vertigo, lets move to sweden. Cute blondes, 10mbit for dirt cheap, etc


Posted by devnull on Jun-12-2008 01:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
The new agreement would allow border guards and other security officials to inspect devices such as laptops and iPods for music, videos and other media that violates copyright laws. Any devices found to contain copyright-infringing material could be confiscated, or even destroyed, leading to fines for their owners.



Thats effin scary. I remember reading border official not believing the macbook air was a computer...! lol


Posted by Abercrombie on Jun-12-2008 02:09:

quote:
Originally posted by chinamon
that was you that we were all laughing at in the tranny section?


What were ya doin in the tranny section?


Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Jun-12-2008 02:40:

quote:
Originally posted by devnull
Stupid lobbyist companies sleeping with the [C]onservative[s] and [H]arper on his knees in front of [B]ush


Quite a picture you paint


Posted by smuncky on Jun-12-2008 03:45:

take the other jay with you plz.


thx


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-12-2008 03:52:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
SEE YOU ALL IN SWEDEN



YA YA, MY NAME IS INGA! PLEASE TO LOOKING UP MY SKIRT???


Posted by chinamon on Jun-12-2008 03:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
What were ya doin in the tranny section?


laughing at you.


Posted by Xavier Moriarty on Jun-12-2008 05:06:

will this affect my porn downloads?


Posted by Cosmic Fur on Jun-12-2008 05:16:

Yeah, I'm afraid that in a decade the Internet will become more policed than Richmond St. on a Saturday night. There's not even a democracy anymore - everything's mandated by the fucking lobby machine.

Ugh. I don't even want to say anything else on the subject.


Posted by chinamon on Jun-12-2008 05:28:

if this law is passed, here is the best way around it.
just steal a neighbour's unprotected wifi. :P


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jun-12-2008 06:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Yeah, I'm afraid that in a decade the Internet will become more policed than Richmond St. on a Saturday night. There's not even a democracy anymore - everything's mandated by the fucking lobby machine.

Ugh. I don't even want to say anything else on the subject.





http://ipower.ning.com/


Posted by exstasie on Jun-12-2008 13:59:

quote:
Originally posted by chinamon
if this law is passed, here is the best way around it.
just steal a neighbour's unprotected wifi. :P


pshh...being doing that for year

I love rich people who have no idea how to do anything.

I accidently overtook someones Router a couple weeks ago lol

I was trying to change my router settings, and didn't realize i was on there network...so I thought, what are the odds that they still have the default username/password on their linksys router...

Sure enough they did...so now the router 'belongs' to me lol...


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