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Drug-impaired drivers facing stiffer fines, increased jail time: Justice Minister

By The Canadian Press:-



TORONTO - Canada's justice minister says impaired drivers will soon face stiffer fines, increased jail time and mandatory roadside tests when new rules kick in next week.


Speaking in Toronto Friday, Rob Nicholson says drivers suspected of being high will no longer be able to refuse roadside sobriety tests. Police can also take suspected drug-impaired drivers to the police station for a more intensive test or give a blood, urine or saliva sample.


Nicholson says impaired drivers will face a minimum $1,000 fine for a first offence and up to a month in jail if they're caught a second time.


He says the government is also closing "one of the great loopholes" by making it harder for drivers to challenge breathalyzer tests in court.


The new law comes into effect next Wednesday

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IMO, the fines and jailtime cannot be high enough.

every friday i like to smoke a small J on the way home.. it makes the drive home easier to handle and not rushed and aggravated by excessive traffic.

How much u think the fines will be.. 500$?

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Originally posted by jsibilin every friday i like to smoke a small J on the way home.. it makes the drive home easier to handle and not rushed and aggravated by excessive traffic. How much u think the fines will be.. 500$?

personally, I think the fine should be minimum $10,000.00 plus a 5 year suspension of your driver's licence. After you get your licence back then you can only drive with a licenced driver with at least 10 years driving experience in the passenger seat.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced personally, I think the fine should be minimum $10,000.00 plus a 5 year suspension of your driver's licence. After you get your licence back then you can only drive with a licenced driver with at least 10 years driving experience in the passenger seat.

WOW LOL

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced IMO, the fines and jailtime cannot be high enough.

lol u said high

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Originally posted by jsibilin every day i like to smoke a small J when I post on TA

fixed.

if I get a $1000 fine,, i will sell my piece of shet car and take the bus..

note** i have never been caught in the last 5 years of tokin up!

honestly, people that are in a rush, have rage and drive waay too fast should just relax and smoke one. When i am sober I drive fine but other drivers piss me off, that is why i need something to calm me down.

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Originally posted by jsibilin
every day i like to take a shit while posting on TA

fixed.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced IMO, the fines and jailtime cannot be high enough.

All your life savings + Lifetime ??

Is that enough

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Originally posted by malek All your life savings + Lifetime ?? Is that enough

when someone drives intoxicated they are putting my life at risk for no good reason....I can accept that accidents happen but I cannot accept someone driving while intoxicated and causing an accident.

I've seen a lot of bad things in my job when it comes to some idiot drunk or high driver. I've seen the dead bodies on the 401 and have seen how the families have been destroyed because someone has driven intoxicated.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced personally, I think the fine should be minimum $10,000.00 plus a 5 year suspension of your driver's licence. After you get your licence back then you can only drive with a licenced driver with at least 10 years driving experience in the passenger seat.

have you seen this?

in b4 "one example doesn't prove anything blah blah blah"

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Originally posted by activate have you seen this?

I'll be sure to show that video to my insured who was a passenger in a car and saw her daughter get decapitated by a driver who crossed the medium and hit them head on. He only smoked one joint before leaving his friend's house and he thought he was just fine to drive.

meh.. unlike alcohol, weed never has a consistent effect on judgment and coordination - it all depends how experienced the person is with the drug and their skill with the activity. like the guy in the video, i'm 100% confident driving with some of my friends while they're high... they've been doing it for years with no accidents.

yet after a few experiences with noobs (to weed) that are stoned behind the wheel, i can say it definitely impairs them - a good example would be that chick in the british documentary that's been posted on here a few times - she obviously can't handle the high (she just smoked up for the first time ever in the previous scene FFS!)... then falsely goes to conclude that weed directly impairs driving. for most people it might, but i'd assume that the only time these inexperienced people actually go on to drive high is if they absolutely had to, or are going for a very short drive. a positive effect of the paranoia..

if driving high was actually responsible for a lot of accidents, wouldn't there have been such strict laws on it decades ago?

the first time i have ever smoked pot i never really did feel anything. The second time was while i was driving my grandparents station wagon and we were driving to Toronto and by the time i got to the lakeshore ramp, i had to get off,, i was like " I can't feel my legs,, how am i going to brake!" then later i decide to practice driving high in a parking lot and i ended up almost in a ditch. ahhahah

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced personally, I think the fine should be minimum $10,000.00 plus a 5 year suspension of your driver's licence. After you get your licence back then you can only drive with a licenced driver with at least 10 years driving experience in the passenger seat.

Nah, that's too much of an administration hassle. They should just be horse-whipped and subsequently shot.

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Originally posted by jsibilin if I get a $1000 fine,, i will sell my piece of shet car and take the bus.. note** i have never been caught in the last 5 years of tokin up! honestly, people that are in a rush, have rage and drive waay too fast should just relax and smoke one. When i am sober I drive fine but other drivers piss me off, that is why i need something to calm me down. quote: Originally posted by jsibilin every day i like to take a shit while posting on TA fixed.

Than you shouldn't be driving in that case, cause of such mindsets people get killed. It's just one drink, it's just one toke, it's bullshit, people think it will not happen to them, but then it does, and a life is gone.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I'll be sure to show that video to my insured who was a passenger in a car and saw her daughter get decapitated by a driver who crossed the medium and hit them head on. He only smoked one joint before leaving his friend's house and he thought he was just fine to drive.

there's one example.

I can give a lot more examples of sober people who cause car accidents then i can of people who smoked a joint.

I'm sure anyone could actually.

My bipolar aunt who drinks 8 cups of coffee each day and relies on antidepressants is someone I'm scared to get into a car with.....a person who just smoked a joint is not.

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Originally posted by jsibilin if I get a $1000 fine,, i will sell my piece of shet car and take the bus.. note** i have never been caught in the last 5 years of tokin up! honestly, people that are in a rush, have rage and drive waay too fast should just relax and smoke one. When i am sober I drive fine but other drivers piss me off, that is why i need something to calm me down. quote: Originally posted by jsibilin every day i like to take a shit while posting on TA fixed.

Insurance companies have actually done studies in California and BC and proved people who smoke weed and drive get into less accidents!

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE Insurance companies have actually done studies in California and BC and proved people who smoke weed and drive get into less accidents!

probably because weed makes you paranoid and a hell of a lot more cautious behind the wheel. I've gotten behind the wheel high a few times and I ended up driving like a senior citizen - barely doing the speed limit, not taking any chances whatsoever

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Originally posted by kotsy probably because weed makes you paranoid and a hell of a lot more cautious behind the wheel. I've gotten behind the wheel high a few times and I ended up driving like a senior citizen - barely doing the speed limit, not taking any chances whatsoever

I did this with my step mom the other day and she was like really impressed and couldnt believe it was me who was driving the car, how nicely and slowly I drove with her in the front seat (5 below the speed limit most of the time)......usually she fears for her life when I drive sober.

But again not everyone is confident enough to drive while stoned.....I have driven while heavy snow storms,heavy rain at night and during the day.I can kick ass of any sober driver when it comes to driving and following road rules........All sorts of parking included.

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Originally posted by activate there's one example. I can give a lot more examples of sober people who cause car accidents then i can of people who smoked a joint. I'm sure anyone could actually.

and as I said, I can accept that accidents happen....but when you drive while intoxicated....there is a greater chance that you will get into an accident.

by your logic we should take all sober drivers off the roads as they cause more accidents.

I think moderation is a key thing

just take an example of pot versus alcohol..

a typical half gram joint can be equal to a beer or two

I guess if you are doing bong hits in your car and/or it's your first time getting high ...do not drive

I think the fines for driving while stoned should be less then dui fines. The talk of this whole thread is weed makes you more cautious as a driver but has never been proven in the legal system.

/just my opinion

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE Insurance companies have actually done studies in California and BC and proved people who smoke weed and drive get into less accidents!

I don't know which studies you're referring to, but there have been studies done in Holland, New Zealand, and a few other places, not to mention by the U.S. Department of Transportation, which "prove" the exact opposite and show that chronic smokers are up to 10 times more likely to be involved in an accident.

Of course, studies are just studies and that is why I put "prove" in quotation marks. One study proves very little.

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Originally posted by kotsy probably because weed makes you paranoid and a hell of a lot more cautious behind the wheel. I've gotten behind the wheel high a few times and I ended up driving like a senior citizen - barely doing the speed limit, not taking any chances whatsoever

Which makes you a traffic obstruction and thus a danger to other drivers on the road. Also, much like "senior citizens", stoned drivers often have much poorer lateral control - in other words they drift from side to side and often onto the median.

Alcohol minimizes the perception of risk so that maneuvers that are actually dangerous appear to be safe. Weed exaggerates the perception of risk, so maneuvers that are totally safe feel dangerous. Opposite effects, but neither are good. For example, a stoned driver is likely to just slam on the brakes to avoid an animal or pedestrian, even when swerving is clearly the safer move.

The only drugs which have actually been shown to improve performance are amphetamines and cocaine for fatigued drivers (not that I am recommending this - they're still illegal).

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Originally posted by UmmiE I can kick ass of any sober driver when it comes to driving and following road rules........All sorts of parking included.

That kind of attitude is exactly why we do need stiffer penalties.

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