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The War Drums are getting louder over Iran

This will really thrust us into a war we dont need, why arent the people doing anything to stop this!





WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has launched a "significant escalation" of covert operations in Iran, sending U.S. commandos to spy on the country's nuclear facilities and undermine the Islamic republic's government, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.

An Iranian flag flies outside the building containing the reactor of Bushehr nuclear power plant, south of Tehran.

White House, CIA and State Department officials declined comment on Hersh's report, which appears in this week's issue of The New Yorker.

Hersh told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" that Congress has authorized up to $400 million to fund the secret campaign, which involves U.S. special operations troops and Iranian dissidents.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have rejected findings from U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran has halted a clandestine effort to build a nuclear bomb and "do not want to leave Iran in place with a nuclear program," Hersh said.

"They believe that their mission is to make sure that before they get out of office next year, either Iran is attacked or it stops its weapons program," Hersh said.

The new article, "Preparing the Battlefield," is the latest in a series of articles accusing the Bush administration of preparing for war with Iran.

He based the report on accounts from current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. Watch Hersh discuss what he says are the administration's plans for Iran �

"As usual with his quarterly pieces, we'll decline to comment," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe told CNN.

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"The CIA, as a rule, does not comment on allegations regarding covert operations," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said.

Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, denied U.S. raids were being launched from Iraq, where American commanders believe Iran is stoking sectarian warfare and fomenting attacks on U.S. troops.

"I can tell you flatly that U.S. forces are not operating across the Iraqi border into Iran, in the south or anywhere else," Crocker said.

Hersh said U.S. efforts were staged from Afghanistan, which also shares a border with Iran.

He said the program resulted in "a dramatic increase in kinetic events and chaos" inside Iran, including attacks by Kurdish separatists in the country's north and a May attack on a mosque in Shiraz that killed 13 people.

The United States has said it is trying to isolate Iran diplomatically in order to get it to come clean about its nuclear ambitions. But Bush has said "all options" are open in dealing with the issue.

Iran insists its nuclear program is aimed at providing civilian electric power, and refuses to comply with U.N. Security Council demands that it halt uranium enrichment work.

U.N. nuclear inspectors say Tehran held back critical information that could determine whether it is trying to make nuclear weapons.

Israel, which is believed to have its own nuclear arsenal, conducted a military exercise in the eastern Mediterranean in early June involving dozens of warplanes and aerial tankers.

The distance involved in the exercise was roughly the same as would be involved in a possible strike on the Iranian nuclear fuel plant at Natanz, Iran, a U.S. military official said.

In 1981, Israeli warplanes destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor.


Iran's parliament speaker, Ali Larijani, warned other countries against moves that would "cost them heavily." In comments that appeared in the semi-official Mehr news agency Sunday, an Iranian general said his troops were digging more than 320,000 graves to bury troops from any invading force with "the respect they deserve."

"Under the law of war and armed conflict, necessary preparations must be made for the burial of soldiers of aggressor nations," said Maj. Gen. Mirfaisal Baqerzadeh, an Iranian officer in charge of identifying soldiers missing in action.

Re: The War Drums are getting louder over Iran

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Originally posted by Chryz707 This will really thrust us into a war we dont need, why arent the people doing anything to stop this!

Short answer: because they're sedated consumer pussies.

Q=If the US goes to war with Iran will their defense spending hit the trillion dollar mark?

Q=And if yes, what will happen when income taxes shoot up to fifty percent of a person's income?

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru Q=If the US goes to war with Iran will their defense spending hit the trillion dollar mark? Q=what will happen when income taxes shoot up to fifty percent of a person's income?

Hopefully a revolution will happen and evict the Executive office, Senate and Congress out like the French Revolution i.e. Guilotine! Let the heads roll!

Already fortold?

Matthew 25:5-7

5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

Unless Iran actually attacks us there is no fucking way we are invading iran. Most of us are sick and fucking tired of picking up the tab for Iraq at the same time that gas is $4.15 a gallon and the price of everything is shooting up. Bush would have a hard fucking sell for an invasion of Iran after the missing WMD in Iraq and personally I don't give two shits if Iran wants to waste its time and money building some two bit fission bombs that they can never use because Israel already has hundreds of bombs and we have enough thermonuclear weapons to turn Iran into a big sheet of glass. Get a clue and do something about the fucked up economy and crazy gas prices and leave Iran alone.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Unless Iran actually attacks us there is no fucking way we are invading iran. Most of us are sick and fucking tired of picking up the tab for Iraq at the same time that gas is $4.15 a gallon and the price of everything is shooting up. Bush would have a hard fucking sell for an invasion of Iran after the missing WMD in Iraq and personally I don't give two shits if Iran wants to waste its time and money building some two bit fission bombs that they can never use because Israel already has hundreds of bombs and we have enough thermonuclear weapons to turn Iran into a big sheet of glass. Get a clue and do something about the fucked up economy and crazy gas prices and leave Iran alone.

Old men figuring out ways to send young men to their deaths.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru Q=If the US goes to war with Iran will their defense spending hit the trillion dollar mark? Q=And if yes, what will happen when income taxes shoot up to fifty percent of a person's income?

See for every man you kill in Iran, you get his house, his land, his money, his jwellery and all the stuff.. you own it now, so now to legitimise it you need to complete some formalities and do some paper work like 're-building Iran' and stuff like that..

Of the war with Iran is to start it will start by Israel attacking it Nuke facility, then Iran will through salvos at Israel and the U.S. Navy units in the Gulf and then it will escalate from there make it look like self defense and what do you think that does for the current white house race, nails it down for the Neocon Republicans. The False Flag operation has begun!

I wont be surprised if Russia or China sends its men to defend Iran or play a proxy war. They both and India have significant interests in Iran and wont just let it go to US hands like Iraq.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Unless Iran actually attacks us there is no fucking way we are invading iran. Most of us are sick and fucking tired of picking up the tab for Iraq at the same time that gas is $4.15 a gallon and the price of everything is shooting up. Bush would have a hard fucking sell for an invasion of Iran after the missing WMD in Iraq and personally I don't give two shits if Iran wants to waste its time and money building some two bit fission bombs that they can never use because Israel already has hundreds of bombs and we have enough thermonuclear weapons to turn Iran into a big sheet of glass. Get a clue and do something about the fucked up economy and crazy gas prices and leave Iran alone.

oil agree to that

time to invest in haliburton and other defense contractors.

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Originally posted by Kinezi I wont be surprised if Russia or China sends its men to defend Iran or play a proxy war. They both and India have significant interests in Iran and wont just let it go to US hands like Iraq.

Russia and China are supplying Iran with arms at bargain prices as we speak.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Russia and China are supplying Iran with arms at bargain prices as we speak.

It still won't work to fight off the US military

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru It still won't work to fight off the US military

Of course its meaningless. USA simply only has to change the tactics (i.e. avoid using ground forces in areas where Russian-made anti-personnel weapons are based).

Besides, in the past, Russian/Soviet advanced weapons proved useless in many conflicts. I mean, seriously, how useful is it to have state-of-the-art radar systems, for example, when there's nothing to protect it from being wiped out in a single strike?

And besides, buying a couple dozen Russian MIG's is meaningless against a 100,000+ bomb-strong American-led barrage. Americans have the Iranians outmatched in every category except maybe number of troops available.

do we have nuke shields? if not the bazillions of dollars spent on force projection and defense is worthless

I just bumped into this very comprehensive article directly related to this thread:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/US/s...=5281043&page=1

Pentagon Official Warns of Israeli Attack on Iran
U.S. Offical Sees Two 'Red Lines' That Could Prompt Strike

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Senior Pentagon officials are concerned that Israel could carry out an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities before the end of the year, an action that would have enormous security and economic repercussions for the United States and the rest of the world. A senior defense official told ABC News there is an "increasing likelihood" that Israel will carry out such an attack, a move that likely would prompt Iranian retaliation against, not just Israel, but against the United States as well. The official identified two "red lines" that could trigger an Israeli offensive. The first is tied to when Iran's Natanz nuclear facility produces enough highly enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon. According to the latest U.S. and Israeli intelligence assessments, that is likely to happen sometime in 2009, and could happen by the end of this year. "The red line is not when they get to that point, but before they get to that point," the official said. "We are in the window of vulnerability." The second red line is connected to when Iran acquires the SA-20 air defense system it is buying from Russia. The Israelis may want to strike before that system -- which would make an attack much more difficult -- is put in place. [Third red line] Some Pentagon officials also worry that Israel may be determined to attack before a new U.S. president, who may be less supportive, is sworn in next January. Pentagon officials believe the massive Israeli air force exercise in early June, first reported by the New York Times, was done to prepare for a possible attack. A senior official called it "not a rehearsal, but basic, fundamental training" required to launch an operation against Iran. "The Israeli air force has already conducted the basic exercise necessary to tell their senior leadership, 'We have the fundamentals down.' Might they need some more training and rehearsals? Yes. But have they done the fundamentals? I think that is what we saw," the official told ABC News, adding that if Israel moves closer to military action, he expects to see more exercises like the one conducted in early June. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, was in Israel over the weekend for a series of meetings with senior Israeli military officials, including, Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, the chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Forces. According to a military spokesman, Iran's nuclear program was "a major topic" of discussion. The widely held view among Pentagon officials is that an Israeli attack would do only temporary damage to Iran's nuclear program, and that it would cause major problems in the region and beyond, prompting a wave of attacks on U.S. interests in Iraq, the Persian Gulf and elsewhere.

Looks like the US is desperate:

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No apologies for downing Flight 655 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:06:20 By Tamara Ebrahimpour, Press TV, Tehran Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down by the US Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on Sunday July 3, 1988, killing all 290 passengers, including 66 children, and crewmembers onboard. The civilian airliner, carrying passengers from Iran, Italy, the UAE, India, Pakistan and the former Yugoslavia, was en route from Iran's southern city of Bandar Abbas to Dubai when it was hit by two SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles launched from the warship commanded by Captain William C. Rogers III. Following the tragic incident, ranked seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities, unapologetic US officials said their naval officers had mistaken the Iranian Airbus A300 for an F-14 Tomcat fighter. They went on to claim that the Vincennes crew had been under a simultaneous psychological condition called 'scenario fulfillment', and had therefore confused their training scenario with reality and responded accordingly. Iran declared the incident an international crime, saying that even if the warship crew had mistaken the Airbus for an F-14 the tragedy was the result of the US Navy's negligence and reckless behavior. Iran further argued that the aircraft was flying within the Iranian airspace and did not have an attack profile, and as the warship crew were fully trained to handle 'simultaneous attacks' by enemy aircrafts they could have handled the situation in a manner that would not claim civilian lives. When the matter was taken to the United Nations Security Council in July 1988, the then US Vice President George H.W. Bush defended the Vincennes crew's action and said that given the situation the officers in question had acted appropriately. Eventually, the UN Security Council Resolution 616 was passed, which expressed "deep distress" over the downing, "profound regret" for the loss of life, and stressed the need to end the Iraq-Iran war. In August 1988, George H.W. Bush was quoted by Newsweek as saying, "I'll never apologize for the United States of America. Ever, I don't care what the facts are." The Vincennes crew received combat-action ribbons. Lieutenant Commander Scott Lustig, air-warfare coordinator on the Vincennes, was awarded with the Commendation Medal for 'heroic achievement', noting his 'ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire'. The US government refused to claim responsibility for the incident and to apologize to the Iranian nation for the appalling act which brought unspeakable pain and grief to countless families.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?i...ctionid=3510304

Israel wont strike until the U.S. say its ok obviosly, they wont make a move unless they get the green light!

US will actually use Israel to strike Iran, they will say 'Hey, looks its not us.. but Israel!'

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Originally posted by Kinezi US will actually use Israel to strike Iran, they will say 'Hey, looks its not us.. but Israel!'

Heheheh, I was thinking that too.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Heheheh, I was thinking that too.

Yeah this whole gameplan is so obvious and predictive that I find it amusing for people to buy any other reason for invading Iran other than oil..

And its so obvious world will get more fucked up after it, yet we are doing it, its like hammering one's own foot..

Technical Analysts of Financial markets say, only way to get on with big boys is technical analysis, cos they know some information from before and they are buying into it.. the steap rise in oil prices in past one week despite hike in production is because perhaps big boys who already have information of perhaps another war ... and are right now buying into it.. Oil prices will shoot to 250 USD, inflation will fuck small countries.. family budget of every fucking living family will shoot up.. you own a car or not.. food prices, chemicals, travel tickets, groceries everything will become more expensive... everyone will be fucked. In Iran or outside..

There will be more fire, more houses burnt.. adding to more global warming.. more people killed, than the Iraqi style insurgency will come.. dont forget how Iranians painted skulls on US embassy walls.. dont expect them to love you, or their children to love you cos you killed his father than gave him flipops or a football to play with..

Its all spiraling out of control.. and Iran will be the final nail on this coffin Bush has laid for all of us.

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Originally posted by Kinezi Yeah this whole gameplan is so obvious and predictive that I find it amusing for people to buy any other reason for invading Iran other than oil..

There's plenty of motives other than "short term" interests. There's no point in discussing any of them though, considering most people are still working in a contrived political and intellectual framework... you know, the one manufactured like the last one.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z There's plenty of motives other than "short term" interests. There's no point in discussing any of them though, considering most people are still working in a contrived political and intellectual framework... you know, the one manufactured like the last one.

Could you explain more?
I am wondering what the americans will do because everyone sees the war coming. But will the americans have had enough and protest in large numbers that will change government. Or will things continue the same. I don't doubt the US military what I doubt is that many americans will be ok paying a trillion dollars for defense and then having to spend 7-8 a gallon gas and not including food prices. Will we see a revolution?

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