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tiesto has feelings too

from 'inthemix'

Tiesto revealed an unexpectedly sensitive side behind his usual trance-by-numbers automaton like persona this week, revealing that he occasionally feels offended by hyper-critical postings on forums.

�In the past I noticed comments from people who were also in the music scene, like other DJs or producers. And when you make one or two small mixing mistakes a night, they write on the forums �my whole night was ruined because of that�. Come on � one or two little mistakes during the whole night, big deal! Stuff like that can happen!� the trance star complained. �Well, that is how I personally think about it,� he continued. �We�re all human and we all make mistakes. I see everybody going nuts and that�s the most important thing for me,� he told Scandinavian portal Trance.Nu.

Thick-skinned techno type Dave Clarke empathised, telling Skrufff, �I try to deal with criticism in the same way as when I get over-praised, but yes, I�m human and yes, it can hurt. Sometimes I read forums, and yes, of course, I have been criticised, but most of the time the people that do it have false names and the comments are often by people that profess to know me when they have maybe at best had two words with me at the end of a set,� he said. �Some of the bullshit is legendary, like I had rich parents who paid for everything when I started (was that before or after I was homeless?), insults aimed at my family, crap about my rider that simply isn�t true. There are some vicious PR companies out there as well,� Dave added.

US progressive house star Chris Fortier said he rarely visits forums nowadays �unless someone sends me a specific link� after realising he was being �distracted from his real work� by their commentary. �I think overall forums are good for dance music as they provide more people with more knowledge and information, and that is a good thing; my only problem is how some of the speech can so hateful,� Chris told Skrufff. �Critical and negative viewpoints are fine, but there really is no need for anything to be vile and hateful and just plain evil,� he said. �I am sure there have been some negative or critical things about me or my music, and that is fine. My only hope in those cases is to make sure the facts of the circumstances are right,� Chris continued.

Welcome to the fucking internet Tijs.

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Originally posted by Kid_presentable from 'inthemix' Tiesto revealed an unexpectedly sensitive side behind his usual trance-by-numbers automaton like persona this week, revealing that he occasionally feels offended by hyper-critical postings on forums. �In the past I noticed comments from people who were also in the music scene, like other DJs or producers. And when you make one or two small mixing mistakes a night, they write on the forums �my whole night was ruined because of that�. Come on � one or two little mistakes during the whole night, big deal! Stuff like that can happen!� the trance star complained. �Well, that is how I personally think about it,� he continued. �We�re all human and we all make mistakes. I see everybody going nuts and that�s the most important thing for me,� he told Scandinavian portal Trance.Nu. Thick-skinned techno type Dave Clarke empathised, telling Skrufff, �I try to deal with criticism in the same way as when I get over-praised, but yes, I�m human and yes, it can hurt. Sometimes I read forums, and yes, of course, I have been criticised, but most of the time the people that do it have false names and the comments are often by people that profess to know me when they have maybe at best had two words with me at the end of a set,� he said. �Some of the bullshit is legendary, like I had rich parents who paid for everything when I started (was that before or after I was homeless?), insults aimed at my family, crap about my rider that simply isn�t true. There are some vicious PR companies out there as well,� Dave added. US progressive house star Chris Fortier said he rarely visits forums nowadays �unless someone sends me a specific link� after realising he was being �distracted from his real work� by their commentary. �I think overall forums are good for dance music as they provide more people with more knowledge and information, and that is a good thing; my only problem is how some of the speech can so hateful,� Chris told Skrufff. �Critical and negative viewpoints are fine, but there really is no need for anything to be vile and hateful and just plain evil,� he said. �I am sure there have been some negative or critical things about me or my music, and that is fine. My only hope in those cases is to make sure the facts of the circumstances are right,� Chris continued.

Agreed. Simple, but good article.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Agreed. Simple, but good article.

True, in Holland there is a saying that explains this behaviour: 'De beste stuurlui staan aan wal', which means sort of that people standing on the sideline, now how to play football better that the players.

Or something in that direction.

what does fotball has to do with anything?

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Originally posted by palm what does fotball has to do with anything?

Blasphemer!

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Originally posted by palm what does fotball has to do with anything?

Don't you guys mean soccer?



JUST KIDDING!!!



Please don't kill me!

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Originally posted by Kid_presentable from 'inthemix' Tiesto revealed an unexpectedly sensitive side behind his usual trance-by-numbers automaton like persona this week, revealing that he occasionally feels offended by hyper-critical postings on forums. �In the past I noticed comments from people who were also in the music scene, like other DJs or producers. And when you make one or two small mixing mistakes a night, they write on the forums �my whole night was ruined because of that�. Come on � one or two little mistakes during the whole night, big deal! Stuff like that can happen!� the trance star complained. �Well, that is how I personally think about it,� he continued. �We�re all human and we all make mistakes. I see everybody going nuts and that�s the most important thing for me,� he told Scandinavian portal Trance.Nu. Thick-skinned techno type Dave Clarke empathised, telling Skrufff, �I try to deal with criticism in the same way as when I get over-praised, but yes, I�m human and yes, it can hurt. Sometimes I read forums, and yes, of course, I have been criticised, but most of the time the people that do it have false names and the comments are often by people that profess to know me when they have maybe at best had two words with me at the end of a set,� he said. �Some of the bullshit is legendary, like I had rich parents who paid for everything when I started (was that before or after I was homeless?), insults aimed at my family, crap about my rider that simply isn�t true. There are some vicious PR companies out there as well,� Dave added. US progressive house star Chris Fortier said he rarely visits forums nowadays �unless someone sends me a specific link� after realising he was being �distracted from his real work� by their commentary. �I think overall forums are good for dance music as they provide more people with more knowledge and information, and that is a good thing; my only problem is how some of the speech can so hateful,� Chris told Skrufff. �Critical and negative viewpoints are fine, but there really is no need for anything to be vile and hateful and just plain evil,� he said. �I am sure there have been some negative or critical things about me or my music, and that is fine. My only hope in those cases is to make sure the facts of the circumstances are right,� Chris continued.

hes doing a gig in dublin soon and hes charging 250euro a ticket i say fuck him.... he ruined trance then he sold out to get a grammy...... he just the pdiddy of the dj world... he deserves everything he gets cau elements of life was PAIN... what kind of pain well imagine putting a anail gun up to ure eye and pulling the trigger .....yeah you feeling the pain... SELLOUT

You know the promoter decides on entry fees right? Not a DJ?

Plus his fees are driven by simple supply and demand. Many people want him, then he's expensive. That's not his fault, blame capitalism instead or find a job which earns a better salary :P

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Originally posted by maximlee .... he ruined trance then he sold out to get a grammy...... he just the pdiddy of the dj world... he deserves everything he gets cau elements of life was PAIN... what kind of pain well imagine putting a anail gun up to ure eye and pulling the trigger .....yeah you feeling the pain... SELLOUT

Trance is ruined? And, all because of one guy? Thanks for enlightening me - I thought it just evolved, ya know, kind of like how all music evolves.


Oh yeah, and how dare that bastard Tiesto get popular and win a Grammy. He should be a starving bedroom producer like the rest of us. Set your goals low, that's my motto.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Trance is ruined? And, all because of one guy? Thanks for enlightening me - I thought it just evolved, ya know, kind of like how all music evolves. Oh yeah, and how dare that bastard Tiesto get popular and win a Grammy. He should be a starving bedroom producer like the rest of us. Set your goals low, that's my motto.

Please. In the last 6 or so years he's made nothing but dross for 14 year olds who are just finding out what electronic music is. And yes promoters set the fees but these days DJ's like him (see I can't even say his name) have a cut of the ticket price and it is their fees that push the ticket prices up.

The article is good but the point about him is obvious - if you sell out that hard when you were once (at least to some degree) credible, you know you are going to get ridiculed. It's not you don't expect it when take that path. The fact he is pretending to give a shit is worse in my opinion - he's made a lot of money, won a lot of awards and he did it by selling out. He should just be happy with what he chose and deal with the flak.

yeah. except i dont get paid �30k a gig for my mistakes.

Well I have friends that have dealt with him or his management directly and I think I have an exact number of what he charges per hour. If there's an entry fee of 250E either Tiesto is playing very long, or the club is very small. With thousand people showing up you could roughly pay for a 7 hour Tiesto gig with such an entry fee. My guess? The promoter is fucking you over, not the dj.

I've always wondered why people like Tiesto are supposed to turn down money and intentionally make less than they otherwise could. Not sure about you, but when I do my annual review with my employer, I'm aiming to make as much as I can - and they pay me as much as I'm worth. It's that simple - if he packs the place on a consistent basis, then he was worth the price. I'd get called names on the internet for a much lower price than whatever he makes per year.

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Originally posted by Ray_Chappell I've always wondered why people like Tiesto are supposed to turn down money and intentionally make less than they otherwise could. Not sure about you, but when I do my annual review with my employer, I'm aiming to make as much as I can - and they pay me as much as I'm worth. It's that simple - if he packs the place on a consistent basis, then he was worth the price. I'd get called names on the internet for a much lower price than whatever he makes per year.

I have to agree here. Its the same argument with athletes. I don't know how it is over in Europe, but here in the United States, people expect athletes to take less money to stay with their hometown team or whatever, but I say, take it while you can get it. If I was in a situation like any famous athlete or a big time DJ, and someone wants to offer me a contract or a salary worth many times what I currently make, I'd have a real hard time saying no. It's what I'd do at work, so why shouldn't they do it? The higher you go up in the music business, you realize just how much of it is a business. That is sad on a lot of levels, but thats just the way it is.

How many of you who are currently DJing or have DJ'd a lot in past have gone into it all bright-eyed and bushy tailed just to find out that its not really about "how good you are", but it's really more about "who you know"? If it's like that at the local level, its going to be like that times 10 at a higher level.

I'm not really agreeing or commenting on what or who Tiesto is as far as "selling out" or whatever, but if he can command those types of numbers, then more power to him.

I've never really been a fan of him and never really understood his appeal to so many people, but I've been into this stuff for over 15 years, way before he came along. For a lot of people, their "heroes" are the people who first got them into this type of stuff, so I'm sure he holds a place of high regard for those who got into this stuff in the mid to late 90's, just when he was starting to rise in popularity.

Being a bit older myself, I turn to people like Sasha, William Orbit, and BT. Those are my "heroes". I remember hearing the same crap about "selling out" when William Orbit did the Madonna album or when BT remixed N'Sync. Now, did those guys "sell out"? Maybe, but their are still amazing musicians in my mind and a lot of that has to do with the fond memories I have from days gone by. I'm certainly not trying to compare Tiesto to someone like BT (yeah right), but I'm just commenting on the fact that it's really all about perspective.

OK, I'll stop rambling now...

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Originally posted by Eric J I have to agree here. Its the same argument with athletes. I don't know how it is over in Europe, but here in the United States, people expect athletes to take less money to stay with their hometown team or whatever, but I say, take it while you can get it. If I was in a situation like any famous athlete or a big time DJ, and someone wants to offer me a contract or a salary worth many times what I currently make, I'd have a real hard time saying no. It's what I'd do at work, so why shouldn't they do it? The higher you go up in the music business, you realize just how much of it is a business. That is sad on a lot of levels, but thats just the way it is. How many of you who are currently DJing or have DJ'd a lot in past have gone into it all bright-eyed and bushy tailed just to find out that its not really about "how good you are", but it's really more about "who you know"? If it's like that at the local level, its going to be like that times 10 at a higher level. I'm not really agreeing or commenting on what or who Tiesto is as far as "selling out" or whatever, but if he can command those types of numbers, then more power to him. I've never really been a fan of him and never really understood his appeal to so many people, but I've been into this stuff for over 15 years, way before he came along. For a lot of people, their "heroes" are the people who first got them into this type of stuff, so I'm sure he holds a place of high regard for those who got into this stuff in the mid to late 90's, just when he was starting to rise in popularity. Being a bit older myself, I turn to people like Sasha, William Orbit, and BT. Those are my "heroes". I remember hearing the same crap about "selling out" when William Orbit did the Madonna album or when BT remixed N'Sync. Now, did those guys "sell out"? Maybe, but their are still amazing musicians in my mind and a lot of that has to do with the fond memories I have from days gone by. I'm certainly not trying to compare Tiesto to someone like BT (yeah right), but I'm just commenting on the fact that it's really all about perspective. OK, I'll stop rambling now...

Good post! It's true - it is sad but very true that the music biz is this but really you have to take what you can get, when and while you can get it. I just think that if you do take money over integrity, just deal with it. If it were to upset you that much you could always kill yourself by jumping off your wallet

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Originally posted by Kid_presentable from 'inthemix' Tiesto revealed an unexpectedly sensitive side behind his usual trance-by-numbers automaton like persona this week, revealing that he occasionally feels offended by hyper-critical postings on forums. �In the past I noticed comments from people who were also in the music scene, like other DJs or producers. And when you make one or two small mixing mistakes a night, they write on the forums �my whole night was ruined because of that�. Come on � one or two little mistakes during the whole night, big deal! Stuff like that can happen!� the trance star complained. �Well, that is how I personally think about it,� he continued. �We�re all human and we all make mistakes. I see everybody going nuts and that�s the most important thing for me,� he told Scandinavian portal Trance.Nu. Thick-skinned techno type Dave Clarke empathised, telling Skrufff, �I try to deal with criticism in the same way as when I get over-praised, but yes, I�m human and yes, it can hurt. Sometimes I read forums, and yes, of course, I have been criticised, but most of the time the people that do it have false names and the comments are often by people that profess to know me when they have maybe at best had two words with me at the end of a set,� he said. �Some of the bullshit is legendary, like I had rich parents who paid for everything when I started (was that before or after I was homeless?), insults aimed at my family, crap about my rider that simply isn�t true. There are some vicious PR companies out there as well,� Dave added. US progressive house star Chris Fortier said he rarely visits forums nowadays �unless someone sends me a specific link� after realising he was being �distracted from his real work� by their commentary. �I think overall forums are good for dance music as they provide more people with more knowledge and information, and that is a good thing; my only problem is how some of the speech can so hateful,� Chris told Skrufff. �Critical and negative viewpoints are fine, but there really is no need for anything to be vile and hateful and just plain evil,� he said. �I am sure there have been some negative or critical things about me or my music, and that is fine. My only hope in those cases is to make sure the facts of the circumstances are right,� Chris continued.

i think star djs get all the shit cos they have made it and we need idle`s to look up to. off corse he`s gunna fuck up.

I can be idle just by myself.

tiesto , corsten ,van buuren

All of the above are very good producers and fortunatly for them and i must stress others as well , have kept trance going for the masses ,but there is a huge undercurrent of trance fans? who dislike anything modern , commercial and for what i can see on this forum would sound like it would be better if trance stopped altogether.
People treat classic trance like a child ,1998-2001 commercial is the bad kid who you warn your child about and for a lot of people Tiesto is the pervy neighbour who you throw paint and bricks at.

Its mind boggling , so im not suprised at the flak that top DJ's are getting is worrying because a lot of people are simply raving looneys who have badly damaged brains through huge substance abuse and are like your old grandmother who thinks you are your father.
Or simply have to much computer time and no girlfriend.

Trance is trance , wether it be epic/psy/classic/etc etc + 1 million

so sad

Well, making a mistake every now and then keeps it interesting I'd say. That doesn't only hold for Tiesto.

Evereybody should be able to handle negative criticism as it remains a valuable feedback to you, who'd always be looking to improve.

This is not only a trance thing!

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Originally posted by maximlee hes doing a gig in dublin soon and hes charging 250euro a ticket i say fuck him.... he ruined trance then he sold out to get a grammy...... he just the pdiddy of the dj world... he deserves everything he gets cau elements of life was PAIN... what kind of pain well imagine putting a anail gun up to ure eye and pulling the trigger .....yeah you feeling the pain... SELLOUT

I bet Tiesto is right now really REALLY offended about your comment, u basterd.

Kopi =o.

I bet if you could swap jobs with Tiesto you would!

remember that he gotta live for the money he makes now for another 40 years.

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