Senate passes eavesdropping overhaul

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Posted by DJ Shibby on Jul-10-2008 11:10:

Senate passes eavesdropping overhaul

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25605640/

Unbelievable. I don't even know what to say.

And Obama signed it. He just lost my vote.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-10-2008 11:30:

yeah, that's pretty poor.

quote:

The bill would give the government a week to conduct a wiretap in an emergency before it must apply for a court order. The original law said three days.

does this mean they can carry out wiretapping for 6 days without a court order, and then pack up and go home without telling anyone and without applying for that court order?

Posted by Magnetonium on Jul-10-2008 11:59:

So, Obama is showing more and more of his real colours ;-) Doesnt surprise me at all. I talked about this multiple times ... some things never change.

Posted by DJ Shibby on Jul-11-2008 04:48:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, that's pretty poor.

does this mean they can carry out wiretapping for 6 days without a court order, and then pack up and go home without telling anyone and without applying for that court order?

Seems like we're lost in a torrent of mp3s.

Posted by DJ Shibby on Jul-11-2008 04:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium

So, Obama is showing more and more of his real colours ;-) Doesnt surprise me at all. I talked about this multiple times ... some things never change.

Politicians being politician? yeah.

Posted by DJ Shibby on Jul-11-2008 04:55:

Did anyone read the link?

or... care?

Do we need a summary these days? Oi vey, god help us all..

If no one else cares, then I won't, and we'll move along the stream. Let's start asking why.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-11-2008 06:12:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Did anyone read the link?

of course. that's where my quote came from.

Posted by DJ Shibby on Jul-11-2008 07:11:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
of course. that's where my quote came from.

ty

Posted by Q5echo on Jul-11-2008 10:33:

even more absurd, Hillary was one of the 28 that voted against cloture. what's she up to you think??????? hmmmmm.

never underestimate the Clintons' propensity for calculation

Posted by LazFX on Jul-11-2008 12:56:

Re: Senate passes eavesdropping overhaul

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Shibby
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25605640/

Unbelievable. I don't even know what to say.

And Obama signed it. He just lost my vote.

sadly I am on that same boat, had so much hope for him...

but alas.....he is of the same .....

Posted by Clovis on Jul-11-2008 19:33:

Personally I think winning the election is more important than sticking to his guns.

If you'd vote McCain instead now just over this, you're pretty naive.

At this point I just want to see him win the election, if he's a terrible president, what can you do, but I'd rather take that chance with Obama than with McCain.

Posted by Magnetonium on Jul-12-2008 03:08:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Did anyone read the link?

or... care?

Do we need a summary these days? Oi vey, god help us all..

If no one else cares, then I won't, and we'll move along the stream. Let's start asking why.

Of course I read the link. I just got a little confused - it said that Obama at first didnt sign the bill, then he did at the end. First it was the Israeli lobby group that he made a deal with. Now its a deal with a devil. Whats next?

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-12-2008 03:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium

Of course I read the link. I just got a little confused - it said that Obama at first didnt sign the bill, then he did at the end. First it was the Israeli lobby group that he made a deal with. Now its a deal with a devil. Whats next?

im sorry, but this kind of self-righteous naivete is a bit silly. the guy has an election to win. the right bash every single democrat on security and their toughness on terrorism. if you want obama to remain as progressive and liberal as he might want to, then you're asking him to apply for the wrong job.

Posted by Magnetonium on Jul-12-2008 03:31:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im sorry, but this kind of self-righteous naivete is a bit silly. the guy has an election to win. the right bash every single democrat on security and their toughness on terrorism. if you want obama to remain as progressive and liberal as he might want to, then you're asking him to apply for the wrong job.

Hah, yeah, I think so, he has to do it or someone else will, in order to get to power. And as a result, the political system remains the same ... whats gonna change, really? American troops pull out of Iraq, at best, but American foreign policy isnt gonna change, really.

Posted by Magnetonium on Jul-12-2008 03:32:

I noticed that McCain didnt sign the bill. He might use that as a political card later.

Posted by mndeg on Jul-12-2008 04:45:

accuse the left of being too right?

and then obama accuses mccain of being soft on terrorism? LOL