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Enigma has got to be one of the best bands ever alongside with Massive Attack.
The atmosphere their songs create is amazing. Lyrics are just too good, brilliant.
Listening to them gives me chills, literally.

...

I look into the mirror
See myself, I'm over me
I need space for my desires
Have to dive into my fantasies

I know as soon as I'll arrive
Everything is possible
'Cause no one has to hide
Beyond the invisible

Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota

Close your eyes
Just feel and realize
It is real and not a dream
I'm in you and you're in me

It is time
To break the chains of life
If you follow you will see
What's beyond reality

Ne irascaris domine
Ne ultra memineris iniquitatis
Ecce civitas sancti facta est deserta
Sion deserta facta est
Ierusalem desolata est
Domus sanctificationis tuae et gloriae tuae

showing my appreciation



sadeness for me

i sampled the hell out of that female breathing in the break

Sadeness is a masterpiece.

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Sadeness is a masterpiece.

Indeed it is.

...

Procedamus in pace
In nomine Christi, Amen

Cum angelis et pueris
fideles inveniamur

Attollite portas, principes, vestras
et elevamini, portae aeternales
et introibit rex gloriae
Qius est iste Rex glorie?

Sade dit moi
Sade donne moi

Procedamus in pace
In nomine Christi, Amen

Sade dit moi
qu'est ce que tu vas chercher?
Le bien par le mal
La vertu par le vice
Sade dit moi pourquoi l' 'evangile du mal?
Quelle est ta religion ou` sont tes fide'les?
Si tu es contre Dieu, tu es contre l'homme

Sade dit moi pourquoi le sang pour le plaisir?
Le plaisir sans l'amour?
N'y a t'il plus de sentiment dans le culte de l'homme ?

Sade es-tu diabolique ou divin?

Sade dit moi
Hosanna
Sade donne moi
Hosanna
Sade dit moi
Hosanna
Sade donne moi
Hosanna

In nomine Christi, Amen

The good Enigma stuff is very convincing, but the rest of the time it sounds like the fake, coffee-table spirituality, insulting ethnic crap it actually is. Much like most world-beat.

Return to innocence

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The good Enigma stuff is very convincing, but the rest of the time it sounds like the fake, coffee-table spirituality, insulting ethnic crap it actually is. Much like most world-beat.

Heh.

I just think it's kind of cheesy.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Heh. I just think it's kind of cheesy.

Well, yeah. Grabbing a load of disembodied instruments and samples and throwing them together in the hope that the listener will glaze over and think of exotic places is a pretty cheesy formula. World-beat is the stuff white, middle-class new age people listen to while lighting incense and doing yoga. My mother listens to Enigma.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well, yeah. Grabbing a load of disembodied instruments and samples and throwing them together in the hope that the listener will glaze over and think of exotic places is a pretty cheesy formula. World-beat is the stuff white, middle-class new age people listen to while lighting incense and doing yoga. My mother listens to Enigma.

lol, yeah.

I've never paid much attention to these guys but the little I heard pointed me out in this direction too.

The chanting indians/pseudo-spirtual/world/eagles/dolphins etc thing is quite cheesy, yes. Not really the most thrilling music. The first two albums are good for what they are. I've listened to them quite a few times, not recently though.

Enigma has some good stuff. A lot of bad stuff too. It's relaxing music. What about Enya? She's similar right. Has some beautiful stuff.

I do love most of The Cross of Changes. The bit in I Love You, I'll Kill You where it changes gear makes the hairs on my neck stand up, every time. Shame that by the end of the album it's dissolved into daft "Man is the dream of the dolphin" bullshit. I always get a come-down feeling with that album. For the first five or six tracks you really get into it, then as the album gets more and more stupid you come down from your "chants are fucking epic" high and have a horrible feeling of shame over what you're listening to.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J For the first five or six tracks you really get into it, then as the album gets more and more stupid you come down from your "chants are fucking epic" high and have a horrible feeling of shame over what you're listening to.

Hearing chants, especially European church-music type chants, work well in electronic music is pretty rare in my experience.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 What about Enya? She's similar right.

Not really, no.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I do love most of The Cross of Changes. The bit in I Love You, I'll Kill You where it changes gear makes the hairs on my neck stand up, every time. Shame that by the end of the album it's dissolved into daft "Man is the dream of the dolphin" bullshit. I always get a come-down feeling with that album. For the first five or six tracks you really get into it, then as the album gets more and more stupid you come down from your "chants are fucking epic" high and have a horrible feeling of shame over what you're listening to.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well, yeah. Grabbing a load of disembodied instruments and samples and throwing them together in the hope that the listener will glaze over and think of exotic places is a pretty cheesy formula. World-beat is the stuff white, middle-class new age people listen to while lighting incense and doing yoga. My mother listens to Enigma.

Lol.



"I'll Love You, I'll Kill You" is indeed a great tune though!


Unfortunately as everyone said, they have some extremely cheesy moments.


If you like this type of new-agey/world-beat thing, don't forget to give a listen to Amethystium, a young musician from Norway. He definitely uses some (if not all) of the cliches with the ethnic sample sand the chanting, but his melodies are amazing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhy...feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erjAzA753sg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPkT5h-lDw




And what does anyone think of the last Enigma album "A Posteriori"? It was more electronic but a bit flat as well.

Heh, I do love them for the most part.
They're the first band I started listening to at rather early age (like 4-5 years old) and still listen to.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The good Enigma stuff is very convincing, but the rest of the time it sounds like the fake, coffee-table spirituality, insulting ethnic crap it actually is. Much like most world-beat.

i absolutely love your distaste for 'coffee-table exotica' lol



also in the borderline cheese new age spirtuality camp is andreas vollenwieder


my mom raised me listening to this stuff and its had a huge influence on me to this day

Enigma got me into electronica...so how could I not show my appreciation

The first four albums did it for me!

Very appreciated. Sadness is my favorite track.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I do love most of The Cross of Changes. The bit in I Love You, I'll Kill You where it changes gear makes the hairs on my neck stand up, every time. Shame that by the end of the album it's dissolved into daft "Man is the dream of the dolphin" bullshit. I always get a come-down feeling with that album. For the first five or six tracks you really get into it, then as the album gets more and more stupid you come down from your "chants are fucking epic" high and have a horrible feeling of shame over what you're listening to.

Exactly my sentiment. MCMXC made such an impression on my young ears that I even bought Cretu's third and fourth albums before giving up hope.

It's agonizing to hear such a loved musician pulling from one tired bag of tricks, each grab greatly diminished from the one before. Oddly enough, this is also how I feel about Enya and Paul van Dyk.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Exactly my sentiment. MCMXC made such an impression on my young ears that I even bought Cretu's third and fourth albums before giving up hope. It's agonizing to hear such a loved musician pulling from one tired bag of tricks, each grab greatly diminished from the one before. Oddly enough, this is also how I feel about Enya and Paul van Dyk.

Did you ever hear the Enigmatic Club Mix of Age of Loneliness? It's a fantastic piece of progressive house. Cretu could have been a brilliant producer of true dance music if he'd wanted to.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Did you ever hear the Enigmatic Club Mix of Age of Loneliness? It's a fantastic piece of progressive house. Cretu could have been a brilliant producer of true dance music if he'd wanted to.

That mix was one of my earliest exposures to electronic dance music, actually. I usually say Way Out West - Ajare was my first, partly in service to nostalgia, but the Age of Loneliness remix predated it a bit, now that I think about it.

These days I prefer the dancier parts of MCMXC A.D.; the Age of Loneliness remix has a bit strong a generic 90s rave-trance-dance whiff. But I have sometimes wondered what might have happened if Cretu took the trance plunge rather than peddling New Age pop. The idea of a bunch of tracks like Orbit's remix of Morgan King - I'm Free, only with exotic chants, sounds potentially cool.

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Originally posted by mphreak Very appreciated. Sadness is my favorite track.

note that it's actually sadeness, not sadness


it's about the marquis de sade

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Originally posted by nefardec note that it's actually sadeness, not sadness it's about the marquis de sade

Yes, I've managed to figure that out after listening to lyrics (and reading them) carefully.
There's translation, so...

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