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4 Hours Working on a Clap - This Sucks

When you first consider the idea & listen to the track it may not seem that difficult.
But loop 1 bar in Ferry Corstens "Beautiful" tempo 135bpm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rd6u0un9PE

I had a 2 bar loop repeating for 4 hours, 1 bar Ferry - 1 bar mine JUST to emulate the clap sound & STILL couldn't do it. On the youtube vid it sounds simple but if you have the original song and open it in your sequencer than play with your own claps you'll see what I'm saying.

It sounds like a snare possibly layered with a clap, w/e the case I used synths w/noise, different combinations of claps & snare samples, claps alone, fx, and still couldn't come close. I've also been going crazy with some tracks that have these bubbling snare type rolls.

I won't get into that because you won't understand how its different unless I specifically cut out a sample. But just see what I mean with the clap for now.
And what the hell are those crazy arp like fills in the back?
Again, untill you load a decent version into your DAW you won't be able to see what I'm saying but some of the sounds Ferry uses in this tracks are incredible.

its a short fast decay snare layred with a clap that has some tail to it

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Originally posted by mysticalninja its a short fast decay snare layred with a clap that has some tail to it

I hate to say this but I figured people would be throwing out "its a ____ with a ______ attached to a ______ ran through a ________"

Only because I tried that under MANY different setttings and if you're attune to sounds you'll see it not even close.

Again the youtube vid is a terrible example for comparison. You can barely seperate the fact its a snare and clap till you get a better version. (not talking to 'you' specifically).

it is a snare layered with a clap though. you can hear the snare without the clap layer when he does the "bubbling snare roll". I mentioned because you said you tried using claps alone, which will get you nowhere.

I absolutely agree its a snare and clap combo.

I guess the hardest part for people would be for me to load samples of all the different arrangments I tried and how far off they sound.

It REALLY sounds incredibly simple untill you try to emulate the sound... than you realize the problem with some sample packs.

I'll update if I get close, I just don't see it happening at this point.

Ya i'm not saying it's gonna be simple hehe.

Ferry has always impressed me with his snares.

People were copying his claps, so obviously he had to do something clever with it.

This is probably heavily compressed during mastering and it can be hard to replicate the sound, because all the elements go so well together.. maybe you need a similar kickdrum ?

In general:

channel 1: snare (electronic808 type, not acoustic, with decent decay) > volume about 1/3rd of combined)
Channel 2: Clap (electronic 808 basic kit type clap (volume about 2/3rd of combined)
1. put both on 1 subgroup
2. on 1st insert slot of bus: long "darkroom" reverb with about 40% wet mix
3. on 2nd insert slot of bus: a gate with drum type preset (short release)
4. play with the threshold to cut abrupt or gentle.
5. EQ and compress by taste.

This, depending on taste, can give you anything from a Phil C to Ferry C clap.

Bottom line: it's all in the mix

(less political: you will not find a top producers signature clap, by browsing, ready made for you to be inserted in FLStudio )

as someone sayd it has alot to do with the kick too i think. the kick is superwarm, and the snare too. he have some nice gear that man i assume.

Sounds like a perfectly ordinary clap to me, with some reverb and compression. It might be layered with a snare.

What makes the biggest difference is the kick that it's paired with. People don't realize how much the timbre and timing of the kick affect the snare/clap or any other "on-beat" drums.

more to the point... why do you need to worry about making an exact copy of some other dude's handclap?

david

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Originally posted by davidbuhau more to the point... why do you need to worry about making an exact copy of some other dude's handclap? david

Plus 1, and you're never gonna get 2 sounds sounding identical. Even if you had the same snare and clap samples. It's just not gonna happen. You'll drive yourself mad dude, chill. I am sure in those 4 hours you could make a way cooler and more original snare sound anyways.

clap pain

dude answer this question what if you spend another 3days or weeks on this clap and u get it.....its not going to sound very orginal ....people are going to say ooooh fuckin amazin clap dude.... it sounds like a ferry clap.... copy structure yes but not sound

Re: clap pain

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Originally posted by maximlee dude answer this question what if you spend another 3days or weeks on this clap and u get it.....its not going to sound very orginal ....people are going to say ooooh fuckin amazin clap dude.... it sounds like a ferry clap.... copy structure yes but not sound

I think he just wants to make it because he cant.

I think some people need to swallow their egos with the whole "copying" thing. I see it more as "emulating to learn from".

Which in my opinion, is always a million times better than having no direction to aim for in the first place.

Its great to come up with something "unique" but in music "unique" dies as more people listen.
I'm sure when Gouryella first released Gouryella a lot of people were like "wow, its sooo unique" but now its just another good trance track. So being good doesn't make music unique, being new does.

JMO.

I did learn though I got closest with seperate filters for the snare and clap more than reverb or flanging or even compression. I also think the kick bathes the clap in a warm way like other people were saying which I wasn't really looking for. Amazing how the right kick could make EVERYTHING in a track sound that much better.

Re: clap pain

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Originally posted by maximlee dude answer this question what if you spend another 3days or weeks on this clap and u get it.....its not going to sound very orginal ....people are going to say ooooh fuckin amazin clap dude.... it sounds like a ferry clap.... copy structure yes but not sound

A "Ferry Clap"? lol, from which one of the hundreds of tracks he's released?

If you were able to do that w/out me telling you first "I was trying to make a clap like Ferrys from 'Beautiful'" you'd have approximately a million and one trance tracks with a million and one different but similiar sounding claps to run through your head first.

And if you were able to pick out one song, and they did sound the same, I'd say you spend wayy more time listening to pro tracks than me. Which isn't bad, but inevitably cuts away from your own time to practice.

It's the exact same snare/clap as from RockYourBodyRock

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Originally posted by mysticalninja It's the exact same snare/clap as from RockYourBodyRock

You mean Timberlakes "RockYourBody"?

Maybe we're listening to different versions.. or a different song.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox You mean Timberlakes "RockYourBody"?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox You mean Timberlakes "RockYourBody"? Maybe we're listening to different versions.. or a different song.

Ferry Corsten - Rock Your Body Rock

trying to disect something someone else has done is the best way to learn regardless of what craft you are trying to learn

No matter what anyone do, they`re never ever gonna sound like Ferry Corsten.

Why? this is why:

ferry_sample

shouldve posted carte blanche

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Originally posted by Subtle No matter what anyone do, they`re never ever gonna sound like Ferry Corsten. Why? this is why: ferry_sample

Haha....

Love that track. I've been caning the s**t out of it.

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Originally posted by Eric J Haha.... Love that track. I've been caning the s**t out of it.

Notice that sweep right before the vocals.

That must be the cleverest sweep i have heard in a track ever!

And he only uses it once.

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