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Posted by LatinLover on Jul-29-2008 22:52:

Obama: A European Friend

You know... One of our great presidents that I admired was Ronald Reagan. I mean this mans could talk the walk. He met leaders and told them straight up what was the moral thing to do and at the same time maintain firm his stance. That is why many nations disliked the man, Reagan wasn't concerned about to be liked wherever he went.

Lets Analyze the speech that Obama and Reagan made when they went to Berlin. Judge for yourself!

Obama:

Reagan:

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-29-2008 22:58:

I mean Obama gives a speech on what Europeans want to hear (a pretty speech) In the other hand, Reagan on principles, moral and the right thing for the world.

Posted by Krypton on Jul-29-2008 23:30:

You'll attack Obama because he's charismatic, and you'll attack him if he wasn't. Good job.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-29-2008 23:55:

Reagan's policies wreaked havoc on this country.

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-30-2008 00:45:

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Originally posted by Krypton
You'll attack Obama because he's charismatic, and you'll attack him if he wasn't. Good job.

Yeah you are right... charisma is the right attitude to solve all of our problems and not character.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-30-2008 01:02:

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
Yeah you are right... charisma is the right attitude to solve all of our problems and not character.

Again, you're just going to have to live with a president you think is the anti-christ. It's ok, you'll live, the rest of us survived the past 7 1/2 years...

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-30-2008 01:43:

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Originally posted by Clovis
Again, you're just going to have to live with a president you think is the anti-christ. It's ok, you'll live, the rest of us survived the past 7 1/2 years...

Clovis,

No offense dude but your disturbed mind wont let you pass the fact that inexperience & bad judgment are the best characteristics about Obama. Look Obama is all about the "Yes-No" slogan. Yes for cheaper oil, No for offshore drilling. And I can go on all day with his flip flops.

I mean Clovis look at it this way. Come Nov. Americans are going to loan 4 years of the most difficult job in this world. Put it this way, lets say you were to hire someone to run your business or corporation. You have two candidates, 1. Obama- with no resume what so ever, you only know that he is a community organizer and a well orator. 2. Mccain- someone that has many years of experience in the industry you compete, someone who has a track record & someone that you have a sense of what type of results he can bring.

So would you chose the inexperience guy and community organizer or the one that has a track record and a well established resume? I just cant imagine someone choosing the inexperience candidate and just hope all is going to work out

Posted by nchs09 on Jul-30-2008 02:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Reagan's policies wreaked havoc on this country.
Dont really know much about his political policies but his economic policies were brilliant.

Posted by Krypton on Jul-30-2008 02:29:

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
Yeah you are right... charisma is the right attitude to solve all of our problems and not character.

You assume a man with charisma has no character. That's not smart.

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-30-2008 15:54:

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Originally posted by Krypton
You assume a man with charisma has no character. That's not smart.

I never said that. What ive said is that Obama character has been put to the test and he hasn't delivered. His association with individuals that preach division instead of unity. It seemed that it was worth the friendship of such individual to head start his career in the political arena so he can have the support of that community.

His refusal to visit our troops in Germany. Simply because of the first excuse he gave 1. Because his advisor wouldnt be able to accompany him. Then he later on went on to say reason #2. Because he didnt want our troops to become involved in a campaign event or what would be perceived as a campaign event.

I mean you see what this man is all about!

Posted by Krypton on Jul-30-2008 18:01:

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
I never said that. What ive said is that Obama character has been put to the test and he hasn't delivered. His association with individuals that preach division instead of unity. It seemed that it was worth the friendship of such individual to head start his career in the political arena so he can have the support of that community.

His refusal to visit our troops in Germany. Simply because of the first excuse he gave 1. Because his advisor wouldnt be able to accompany him. Then he later on went on to say reason #2. Because he didnt want our troops to become involved in a campaign event or what would be perceived as a campaign event.

I mean you see what this man is all about!

LOL...

Obama has categorically rejected his preacher's words, and Reverend Wright is no longer his preacher. As for his "refusal" to visit troops. This is a NON-ISSUE, trumped up by a desperate McCain campaign who are desperately trying to find dirt on Obama. He never refused to visit troops, nice spin though. He visited troops in Iraq AND Afghanistan, and he has visited WOUNDED troops before! WITHOUT CAMERAS. The McCain campaign wants to say Obama didn't want to visit the wounded troops in Germany because he couldn't bring cameras. The truth is, he was going to visit WITHOUT cameras anyways. The McCain campaign is politicizing wounded troops, and that should be categorically rejected. Notice how everything they do is in REACTION to Obama. Glad to know they add real substance to the debate...

Posted by Clovis on Jul-30-2008 18:32:

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Originally posted by LatinLover
So would you chose the inexperience guy and community organizer or the one that has a track record and a well established resume? I just cant imagine someone choosing the inexperience candidate and just hope all is going to work out

If you voted for Bush twice then your argument carries absolutely fuck all.

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-30-2008 19:43:

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Originally posted by Krypton
LOL...

Obama has categorically rejected his preacher's words, and Reverend Wright is no longer his preacher. As for his "refusal" to visit troops. This is a NON-ISSUE, trumped up by a desperate McCain campaign who are desperately trying to find dirt on Obama. He never refused to visit troops, nice spin though. He visited troops in Iraq AND Afghanistan, and he has visited WOUNDED troops before! WITHOUT CAMERAS. The McCain campaign wants to say Obama didn't want to visit the wounded troops in Germany because he couldn't bring cameras. The truth is, he was going to visit WITHOUT cameras anyways. The McCain campaign is politicizing wounded troops, and that should be categorically rejected. Notice how everything they do is in REACTION to Obama. Glad to know they add real substance to the debate...

Your fanaticism towards Obama blinds you from seeing the truth. It is not whether he visited our brave soldiers, it is his constant CHANGE of excuses that I mentioned above. Im sorry someone with character and integrity dosent go by that.

Posted by Krypton on Jul-30-2008 19:55:

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Originally posted by LatinLover
Your fanaticism towards Obama blinds you from seeing the truth. It is not whether he visited our brave soldiers, it is his constant CHANGE of excuses that I mentioned above. Im sorry someone with character and integrity dosent go by that.

Oh Latinlover! The only one who knows the truth! Let me bow down at your feet!

Whatever "excuse" Obama would have given, you would still try to play the "gotcha" game to a NON-EVENT. You would be mad if he visited the troops "for campaign purposes", and you would be mad if he didn't visit the troops, as you are now. The spin McCain tries to force down our throats is that Obama canceled the visit to wounded troops because he couldn't bring in cameras. If you haven't been watching his world tour, he has been visiting troops all over the world, Iraq, Afghanistan, talking with generals, AND visiting wounded troops, WITHOUT cameras in other instances. But when he cancels ONE visit, McCain foot soldiers are up in arms! Whose the one politicizing wounded troops!?!? It's McCain!

This just goes to show, a desperate McCain campaign will jump on the smallest of NON-ISSUES, trying to poke holes, and seeing if any of them grow. It really is amusing..

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-30-2008 20:17:

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Originally posted by Krypton
Oh Latinlover! The only one who knows the truth! Let me bow down at your feet!

Whatever "excuse" Obama would have given, you would still try to play the "gotcha" game to a NON-EVENT. You would be mad if he visited the troops "for campaign purposes", and you would be mad if he didn't visit the troops, as you are now. The spin McCain tries to force down our throats is that Obama canceled the visit to wounded troops because he couldn't bring in cameras. If you haven't been watching his world tour, he has been visiting troops all over the world, Iraq, Afghanistan, talking with generals, AND visiting wounded troops, WITHOUT cameras in other instances. But when he cancels ONE visit, McCain foot soldiers are up in arms! Whose the one politicizing wounded troops!?!? It's McCain!

This just goes to show, a desperate McCain campaign will jump on the smallest of NON-ISSUES, trying to poke holes, and seeing if any of them grow. It really is amusing..

I understand your a frustrated liberal that just wants his party to get to the white house. But the fact remains, when you constantly change of excuses and especially when they are directed to bravest of all, our soldiers it shows lack of respect and integrity toawrds them. I wouldnt mind if he changes his mind of political issues, but if he does it on our troops, Im sorry but thats a lack of respect towards them. Obama can lie to people like you Krypton but to our troops... that is unacceptable. I cant imagine him being our commander and chief and carrying those attributes.

Posted by Krypton on Jul-30-2008 20:31:

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Originally posted by LatinLover
I understand your a frustrated liberal that just wants his party to get to the white house. But the fact remains, when you constantly change of excuses and especially when they are directed to bravest of all, our soldiers it shows lack of respect and integrity toawrds them. I wouldnt mind if he changes his mind of political issues, but if he does it on our troops, Im sorry but thats a lack of respect towards them. Obama can lie to people like you Krypton but to our troops... that is unacceptable. I cant imagine him being our commander and chief and carrying those attributes.

Excuse me....

Ugh. Now... Obama cancels ONE visit and McCain's foot soldiers are all up in arms.

You know what I find disrespectful? McCain's politicizing wounded troops so he can make a jab at his opponent. Im sorry but thats a lack of respect towards them. McCain can lie to people like you Latinlover but to our troops... that is unacceptable. I cant imagine him being our commander and chief and carrying those attributes.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-30-2008 21:05:

Posted by Kapedano on Jul-30-2008 22:15:

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Originally posted by Clovis
Lack of respect for our troops is sending 4,000 of them to die for non existent weapons of mass destruction.

By the way, McCain has two sons in Iraq I believe and has served in a war and knows what war is like.

What has Obama done? Community Organizer? 150 days in the Senate?

Posted by Capitalizt on Jul-30-2008 22:24:

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Originally posted by Kapedano
By the way, McCain has two sons in Iraq I believe and has served in a war and knows what war is like.

What has Obama done? Community Organizer? 150 days in the Senate?

Military service doesn't mean shit on this issue. Mccain is senile and dangerous. I don't care if he earned 50 purple crosses. His ideas are disastrous.

Posted by Kapedano on Jul-30-2008 22:26:

Posted by Clovis on Jul-30-2008 22:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Kapedano
By the way, McCain has two sons in Iraq I believe and has served in a war and knows what war is like.

Clearly that has not helped his judgment much.

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-30-2008 22:29:

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Originally posted by Capitalizt
Military service doesn't mean shit on this issue. Mccain is senile and dangerous. I don't care if he earned 50 purple crosses. His ideas are disastrous.

Let me get this straight... Mccain dosent know anything eventhough he has been in battle serving our country. Mccain dosent know anything eventhough he is part of the Armed Services committee. Who would you trust? A guy with military experience and knowledgeable when it comes to our armed services? Or a guy with no resume on the issue what so ever?

Posted by Kapedano on Jul-30-2008 22:30:

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Originally posted by Clovis
Clearly that has not helped his judgment much.

Wouldn't you think twice before you send your own sons to war or keep supporting it from the begging?

Posted by Clovis on Jul-30-2008 22:52:

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Originally posted by Kapedano
Wouldn't you think twice before you send your own sons to war or keep supporting it from the begging?

You'd think wouldn't you?

One would think that having participated in Vietnam, one of the worst blunders of American military action in the history of the country, a complete waste of American lives on a colossal scale, that McCain would be the first to stand up againbst a pre-emptive war waged on false premises, chock full of failed strategies, terribly executed, and with myopic goals....

...and yet...nope...I believe he has said he still thinks the war was the right decision.

Posted by LatinLover on Jul-30-2008 23:03:

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Originally posted by Clovis
You'd think wouldn't you?

One would think that having participated in Vietnam, one of the worst blunders of American military action in the history of the country, a complete waste of American lives on a colossal scale, that McCain would be the first to stand up againbst a pre-emptive war waged on false premises, chock full of failed strategies, terribly executed, and with myopic goals....

...and yet...nope...I believe he has said he still thinks the war was the right decision.

Why dont you have the testicles to tell a Vietnam vet that his effort and participation in Vietnam was worthless?

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