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| Main anthrax suspect dies in apparent suicide UNITED STATES: A TOP US government scientist who helped the FBI analyse samples from the 2001 anthrax attacks has died in Maryland from an apparent suicide, just as the justice department was about to file criminal charges against him for the attacks, the Los Angeles Times has learned. Bruce E Ivins (62), who for the last 18 years worked at the government's elite biodefence research laboratories at Fort Detrick, Maryland, had been informed of his impending prosecution, according to people familiar with Mr Ivins, his suspicious death and with the FBI investigation. Mr Ivins, whose name had not been disclosed publicly as a suspect in the case, had played a central role in research to improve anthrax vaccines by preparing anthrax formulations used in experiments on animals. Regarded as a skilled microbiologist, Mr Ivins had also helped the FBI to analyse the powdery material recovered from one of the anthrax-tainted envelopes sent to a US senator's office in Washington. Mr Ivins died on Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital after having ingested a massive dose of prescription drugs, said a friend and colleague who declined to be identified - out of concern, he said, that he would be harassed by the FBI. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper...7368893626.html |
How fucking predictable.
How fuckin predictable is correct.
Seven years? WTF!!
Re: Anthrax suspect commits suicide but wait...THERE'S MORE
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| Originally posted by Krypton Is it no wonder that it took SEVEN YEARS, just to find the real criminal behind it? They were focused on trying to convince American's for war |
The Anthrax Attack Was a Classic False Flag Operation Targeting Arabs
Whether or not Bruce Ivins had a role in the anthrax attacks, trying to now blame him alone for the attacks is ignoring the elephant in the room: the anthrax attack was a classic false flag attack blamed on Arabs. For example:
* The FBI was actually told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials
* The anthrax letters attempt to link 9/11 and the anthrax attack and pretend to be from radical Muslims and be anti-America and anti-Israel
* High-level government insiders pointed towards Iraq as the source of the anthrax, even though there was absolutely no reason to think that the anthrax had come from Iraq
* The FBI gave its consent in October, 2001 for the remaining samples of the Ames anthrax strain to be destroyed, thereby permanently destroying crucial "genetic clues valuable to the criminal inquiry". Why would the FBI allow the Ames samples to be destroyed, other than to prevent fingers from being pointed toward the real killer, someone who worked for the U.S. government and had access to U.S. bioweapons?
* Would Arab terrorists have targeted only Congress men who were likely to oppose the Patriot Act and other tyrannical measures? Would they have gotten that specific in their targeting? In order to terrorize America as a whole, wouldn't real Arab terrorists have sent anthrax to the Congressional leaders of both parties, regardless of their political postures towards particular legislation? Shouldn't it have been obvious to the FBI that the killer was pro-tyranny, rather than being simply Anti-American?The "war on terror" and Iraq war were largely based on the claim that Saddam and Muslim extremists were behind the anthrax attacks (and see this)
* Senator Patrick Leahy said:
And I think there are people within our government -- certainly from the source of it -- who know where it came from. [Taps the table to let that settle in] And these people may not have had anything to do with it, but they certainly know where it came from.
In other words, people knew, but weren't admitting, that the source was an insider.
Therefore, whether Ivins or another scientist working for the U.S. government carried out the anthrax attacks is actually not the primary question. The main question is who within the U.S. government framed Arabs for the attacks, and whether the attacks were motivated primarily as a justification for war against Middle Eastern oil countries or to intimidate the U.S. Congress and the American people into accepting fascism.
The fact that the government is now trying to blame it all on American does not change the fact that it was - for 7 years - blamed on Arabs. The government is trying to neatly tie up the whole mess and bury the story. But the "war on terror" has already been raging for close to a decade, and the Iraq war for some 5 years. The damage - caused by the false flag operation - cannot so easily be erased.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.c...or-anthrax.html
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what's your point? that finding this criminal would have been easy? did you not notice the unprecedented level of disclosure the FBI had with the public in its attempts to find the criminal? do you have any evidence to show that those searching for the criminal were taken off the case and instead charged with fabricating evidence to go into iraq? or were you just making conversation? |
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EXCLUSIVE: How the FBI Botched the Anthrax Case Former Agent Explains What Went Wrong in the Investigation An Analysis By BRAD GARRETT June 30, 2008 The anthrax investigation, almost from the beginning, was hampered by top-heavy leadership from high ranking, but inexperienced FBI officials, which led to a close-minded focus on just one suspect and amateurish investigative techniques that robbed agents in the field the ability to operate successfully. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5276220 |
911 Plotters Bury the Evidence of Anthrax
Bruce E. Ivins, a bioweapons researcher at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease, died Tuesday, July 29 2008, reportedly by suicidal drug overdose just as the Department of Justice was about to charge him with the 2001 anthrax attacks. The FBI had spent nearly seven years trying to railroad Steven Hatfill for the deeds, but failed miserably, and the Department of Justice recently settled a legal action with Hatfill by compensating him with over $5,000,000 so that it could turn its attention to easier prey. Ivins' attorney, Paul F. Kemp, who has represented him for over a year, has declared Ivins innocent, regrets that he cannot clear his name in court, even while Ivins' social worker therapist obtained a court restraining order against him stating that his treating psychiatrist Dr. David Irwin, "called him homicidal, sociopathic with clear intentions." These politically convenient diagnoses had not prevented the 62-year-old Ivins from enjoying a distinguished 33 year career with the Department of the Army.
I see little or no evidence implicating Ivins in the anthrax terrorism; if he has a link at all it will be minor and ancillary. Most likely, he has been chosen as the most vulnerable individual to serve as a patsy, unlike the formidable Steven Hatfill who has defended himself so very well. We should not forget the modus operandi of the FBI on political cases, say Brandon Mayfield and the Madrid train bombings. These are typically all-out frame-ups. Mayfield was an American attorney who had converted to Islam, married a Muslim woman, and provided legal help to Muslims who were being persecuted under the PATRIOT act. The FBI named Mayfield as the man whose thumb print matched the print on an unexploded detonator cap found near the train station bomb site with "100% certainty" even though the Spanish police had already told the FBI that it was not a match and that they had the actual person in custody to which the thumb print is a match. During a July 16, 2008 Q&A at the downtown Los Angeles Library with Mayfield's attorney, Steven T. Wax, I laid out the case for a deliberate and cynical FBI frame-up of Mayfield. Wax would not go so far in public, but he discreetly said that after the Spanish police announced their finding publicly, the FBI sent their agents to meet with them and then announced to the press, "The Spanish police agree with us." Wax said that he had spoken personally with the head of the Spanish police who was present at that meeting, and who advised Wax that the FBI had simply lied. I suggest that we not be deceived by the most recent presentation of "evidence" of Ivins' guilt.
What strikes me most is that this (probably genuine) suicide is designed to put a lid upon the conspiratorial facts. The August 1, 2008 Wall Street Journal reported and opined:
The Justice Department hasn't yet decided whether to close the investigation, officials said, meaning it's still not certain whether Dr. Ivins acted alone or had help. One official close to the case said that decision was expected within days. If the case is closed soon, one official said, that will indicate that Dr. Ivins was the lone suspect.
I assure you that the Journal is the ghost of our fascist future talking, with Dr. Ivins playing the role of lone nut so certified by both his social worker therapist and his psychiatrist. But the facts say otherwise.
Glenn Greenwald of Salon.com has been conscientiously tracking the anthrax terrorism for years. In his most recent essay of August 1, 2008, Greenwald details how immediately after the anthrax attacks four "well-placed sources" independently reported to ABC that preliminary lab results definitively linked the anthrax to Iraq by tell-tale traces of the compound bentonite. ABC's Brian Ross broadcast this news loudly and long, and thereby vastly influenced public opinion linking Saddam to 9/11, but there is not and never was an iota of truth to these reports: bentonite was never detected by those tests. ABC kept the secret of this false leak until 2007; ABC knows its "well-placed sources" and refuses to tell Greenwald, who opines:
...if they were really "well-placed," one would presume that meant they had some connection to the laboratory where the tests were conducted -- Ft. Detrick. That means that the same [Ft. Detrick] Government lab where the anthrax attacks themselves came from was the same place where the false reports originated that blamed those attacks on Iraq.
It's extremely possible -- one could say highly likely -- that the same people responsible for perpetrating the attacks were the ones who fed the false reports to the public, through ABC News, that Saddam was behind them. What we know for certain -- as a result of the letters accompanying the anthrax -- is that whoever perpetrated the attacks wanted the public to believe they were sent by foreign Muslims. Feeding claims to ABC News designed to link Saddam to those attacks would, for obvious reasons, promote the goal of the anthrax attacker(s). ...
ABC News already knows the answers to these questions. They know who concocted the false bentonite story and who passed it on to them with the specific intent of having them broadcast those false claims to the world, in order to link Saddam to the anthrax attacks and -- as importantly -- to conceal the real culprit(s) (apparently within the U.S. government) who were behind the attacks. And yet, unbelievably, they are keeping the story to themselves, refusing to disclose who did all of this. They're allegedly a news organization, in possession of one of the most significant news stories of the last decade, and they are concealing it from the public, even years later.
They're not protecting "sources." The people who fed them the bentonite story aren't "sources." They're fabricators and liars who purposely used ABC News to disseminate to the American public an extremely consequential and damaging falsehood. But by protecting the wrongdoers, ABC News has made itself complicit in this fraud perpetrated on the public, rather than a news organization uncovering such frauds. http://tinyurl.com/5mkgut
Greenwald hasn't yet understood that the media is under the general operational control of the intelligence agencies and under their full control when covert operations are involved -- that's when the actual agents with reporter's pads get the key assignments from management who is amongst, or serves the interest of, the plotters. And Greenwald may be missing an essential point, or not making his point so persuasively as he might. Whoever leaked the false news was not corrected publicly by the Fort Detrick lab that knew that there was no bentonite to implicate Saddam Hussein and Iraq because the Cheney/Bush administration was implementing their plans to attack Iraq that long antedated 911 and the anthrax theater to link him to terrorism on U.S. soil, as documented by Richard Clark, Paul O'Neill and Bob Woodward (see http://tinyurl.com/6fwhkw ). That means that the top laboratory personnel were complicit or they were ordered to shut up and they have stayed quiet for a very long while. Our government is organized so that such dissent from the facts cannot occur.
Greenwald notes that Richard Cohen of the Washington Post admits being advised by a high-ranking government official to start taking Cipro before the anthrax attacks -- but he apparently does not know that Cheney & friends began their Cipro on 9/11, several weeks prior to the outbreak -- and cannot understand the media resistance encountered, i.e., complicity at the highest levels, so takes the irrelevant moral high road flogging complicity posing as dereliction or cowardice (some of which are present as the plot later reveals itself to those who either play along or pay the piper).
Michael C. Ruppert did a fine job in Crossing the Rubicon, Chapter 16, "Silencing Congress," detailing how Senate Majority leader Tom Daschle and Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Pat Leahy, had their oral and written objections to the PATRIOT ACT -- Ashcroft had not even deigned a response to Leahy's letters -- were brought to an abrupt end by their receipt of anthrax letters that months later were quietly identified in the media as having originated "in CIA-run covert research programs." (pp. 269-271)
An especially clear integration of evidence for the anthrax being a state-sponsored false-flag operation occurs in an October 10, 2004 analysis by a blogger with the nom de plume of "Allie," who notes that targeting the necessary political enemies Daschle and Leahy provided the opportunity to take vengeance on several personal Bush enemies as well: the two newspaper editors responsible for exposing the drunken sluttish madcap behavior of the Bush twins, and NBC's Tom Brokaw for having Bill Clinton as a guest over White House objections September 18, 2001, the letter to Brokaw being mailed that very day that the White House's last-minute protests failed. http://tinyurl.com/2rjfmr As Allie summarizes, putting too much emphasis on Bush the individual:
The anthrax attacks were concurrent with the debate of Bush's Patriot Act by Congress and the media.
* The Senators who received anthrax letters were trying to amend the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties and the innocent.
* Two Senate democratic leaders received anthrax letters mailed the same day that Senator Feingold blocked an attempt to rush the bill through without discussion or amendments.
* Senator Leahy received an anthrax threat after he expressed reservations about the Bill. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he managed the debate on the Bill.
* Senate Majority Leader Daschle received the first Senate anthrax letter as he led the opposition to the original version of the Bill.
* After receiving the anthrax letter, Daschle switched from supporting a 2 year limit on the Bill, later defending a 4-year sunset clause as the "appropriate balance."
* No Republican received an anthrax letter.
* The House and Senate buildings were closed and not reopened until after the Patriot Act was passed.
* The Supreme Court was shut down with an anthrax scare the day after the constitutionally-challenged Patriot Act was signed by President Bush.
* All the contaminated letters contained the Ames strain of anthrax, the DNA of which is traced to the original batch preserved in a university lab in Ames, Iowa. This strain was "weaponized" in Utah into a potent powder with an elaborate secret technique developed at Fort Detrick, http://tinyurl.com/6lhpab
Who had a motive? Who had a grudge against The Enquirer and The New York Post? Who had a grudge against Brokaw? Who wanted to frighten or manipulate Congress? First to get it to adjourn indefinitely, leaving Bush with the power of the purse. Second to get the Patriot Act Passed in all its fascist glory, without even being read. Who?
It's as plain as the nose on your face. Why is the major media pussyfooting around it? Are they still terrified? The anthrax attacks were almost certainly an attempted Operation Northwoods/Media Attack/Political Coup and its targets, as group, would only have been chosen by George Bush.
One cannot run a covert operation on the scale of 911, or even the second phase of persuading Congress to do the right thing without first controlling the media that are not merely the lapdogs of their imperialist masters, but an active branch of the intelligence community even though many of the news people themselves do not know it.
AUTHOR'S BIO: I am a retired forensic psychologist living in Los Angeles with enough time on my hands to have spent the past few years studying the deeds whose perpetrators pejoratively deride the correct analysis of which as "conspiracy theories," i.e., USG intelligence community domestic covert operations -- fascist politics by unconventional means. A professor of analytic philosophy in a former career, I no longer embrace the Lotus Land argument that if you can work on your abs, then it isn't fascism.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/...ryEvidence.html
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| The anthrax investigation, almost from the beginning, was hampered by top-heavy leadership from high ranking, but inexperienced FBI officials, which led to a close-minded focus on just one suspect and amateurish investigative techniques that robbed agents in the field the ability operate successfully. |
God, culorut, no one's going to read all of that!
Dunno why he choose to od on tylenol and codeine. If he was to be saved somehow chances where that he was going to wake up as a vegetable.
Panic I guess? No time to cook up some insta-death stuff in the lab.
FBI was told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials
WASHINGTON - In the immediate aftermath of the 2001 anthrax attacks, White House officials repeatedly pressed FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove it was a second-wave assault by Al Qaeda, but investigators ruled that out, the Daily News has learned.
After the Oct. 5, 2001, death from anthrax exposure of Sun photo editor Robert Stevens , Mueller was "beaten up" during President Bush's morning intelligence briefings for not producing proof the killer spores were the handiwork of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, according to a former aide.
"They really wanted to blame somebody in the Middle East ," the retired senior FBI official told The News.
On October 15, 2001, President Bush said, "There may be some possible link" to Bin Laden, adding, "I wouldn't put it past him." Vice President Cheney also said Bin Laden's henchmen were trained "how to deploy and use these kinds of substances, so you start to piece it all together."
But by then the FBI already knew anthrax spilling out of letters addressed to media outlets and to a U.S. senator was a military strain of the bioweapon. "Very quickly [ Fort Detrick , Md., experts] told us this was not something some guy in a cave could come up with," the ex-FBI official said. "They couldn't go from box cutters one week to weapons-grade anthrax the next."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_...scare_on_a.html
I'm just surprised they did "find" the real criminal(s). Gee, and I thought those filthy fuck1ng sandn1ggers were behind it... not.
PKC, you troll, this is another one of those false flags Chomsky and beloved radical left doesn't talk about... yet. I'm pretty sure he read it today though.
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| Originally posted by robstar Dunno why he choose to od on tylenol and codeine. If he was to be saved somehow chances where that he was going to wake up as a vegetable. Panic I guess? No time to cook up some insta-death stuff in the lab. |
Daschle Critical Of Anthrax Probe
Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, whose office was a target of the anthrax attacks in 2001, said Sunday the suicide of the government's main suspect does not mean the case is over.
Daschle said the FBI has not given him any new updates. He also raised questions about the quality of the investigation, noting that the government recently paid out almost $6 million to a former Army scientist, Steven Hatfill, who accused authorities of unfairly targeting him in the anthrax case.
"From the very beginning I've had real concerns about the quality of the investigation," Daschle said in a broadcast interview. "Given the fact that they already paid somebody else $5 million for the mistakes they must have made gives you some indication of the overall caliber and quality of the investigation."
Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.
The case re-emerged in the news this past week as investigators prepared to charge a government scientist Bruce Ivins in the case. Ivins died Tuesday in what has been ruled a suicide.
"Unfortunately, it doesn't bring anything to closure," Daschle said. "This probably further complicates their ability to get to the facts."
He said he did not know if the investigation involving Ivins "is just another false track and a real diversion of where they need to be. We don't know, and they aren't telling us."
Tom Ridge, Bush's Homeland Security secretary at the time of the anthrax attacks, said he did not know what evidence the FBI had uncovered against Ivins.
"But I know that they were relentless, relentless, both domestically and overseas, both with the notion that it could have been a part of a broader terrorist network, but it could also have been the act of a deranged individual or two," Ridge said.
Daschle appeared on "Fox News Sunday," while Ridge was on "This Week" on ABC.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008...in4317549.shtml
THE BIOWAR STORY NOT TOLD IN THE AFTERMATH OF A SCIENTIST�S �SUICIDE�
SPECIAL NEWS DISSECTOR REPORT: THE DEATH OF A SCIENTIST AND THE BIO WAR MYSTERY
It is Saturday morning, and as the skies darken, and the rains threaten, I am reading about biowar investigator Bruce E. Ivins who is said to have taken his life with a fatal cocktail of codeine and other drugs just as he was about to be arrested and charged with five cases of murder in connection with the still fully unsolved anthrax attacks of 2001.
The naming of Mr. Ivins, born in Lebanon (Ohio), not the Middle East, and a veteran employee at the U.S. Government�s massive US Army bio weapons lab at Ft. Detrick, MD at least suggests, as many have long contended, that this was a domestic crime, not a foreign terrorist act.
The story, broken by the LA Times Friday got the full card monte coverage treatment by the New York Times on Saturday with acres of print. Is there any reason to conclude that we now know all the facts, or that the case is closed or even that Ivins was the guilty party?
The last man accused by the FBI Dr Stephen Hatfill went to Court and won a $4.6 million settlement in his suit against the FBI for violating his rights. His law suit against the NY Times reporting on the issue failed when the Judge ruled he could not prove the newspaper knowingly published false information. Clearly, the information was false then. How credible is the reporting now?
Ivins� lawyer Paul Kemp insists that it was FBI harassment and humiliation that led to the suicide. He also contends that Ivins would have been exonerated if his case went to trial. Obviously he was facing a long and costly legal ordeal contributing to his anxieties. One report said he did not have the money to properly defend himself.
The Washington Post reports that other scientists at the lab are skeptical about suggestions that Ivins is the man described in the NY Post as �DR DOOM.�
http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2...ntists-suicide/
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z PKC, you troll, this is another one of those false flags Chomsky and beloved radical left doesn't talk about... yet. I'm pretty sure he read it today though. |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm just surprised they did "find" the real criminal(s). Gee, and I thought those filthy fuck1ng sandn1ggers were behind it... not. |
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US officals believe a man suspected of being behind one of the most bizarre unsolved mysteries in FBI history may have been obsessed for decades by a university sorority. Bruce Ivins, a former US army biowarfare scientist and prime suspect in the case of anthrax-laced letters send through the mail, committed suicide last week, US media reports. Five people died after coming into contact with the lethal anthrax spores in the mail. The FBI could never work out why the four letters sent to media organisations and politicians in September and October 2001 were mailed from Princeton, New Jersey, 314km from the labratory the anthrax was suspected to have been smuggled from. But the Associated Press reported overnight that Ivins had a decades-long obsession with the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority, which was fewer than 100m from the post boxes. Officials told the AP that emails or other documents detailed Ivins' long-standing fixation on the sorority. His former therapist said Ivins plotted revenge against those who had slighted him, particularly women. But there was nothing to indicate that he was focused on any one sorority member or other Princeton student, officials said. The FBI said it hoped to close the anthrax killer case soon following the suicide of Ivins, a newly identified suspect, sources told ABC 7/NewsChannel 8. Investigators said they would release the evidence in the case after meeting 17 survivors and the family members of the five people who died in the attacks. That could happen this week. The reported evidence against Ivins, a former army scientist at Fort Detrick, includes a post office box he reportedly rented under an assumed name, his alleged extensive use of laboratory equipment after hours, and anthrax spores found in his office that were linked through DNA matching to the spores sent through the mail. Ivins killed himself because he was apparently distraught that a grand jury had been impanelled to indict him on capital murder charges. The grand jury is expected to continue hearing evidence for several weeks. Other evidence included comments from a social worker who met Ivins during group therapy sessions this year. Jean Duley sought and received a restraining order against Ivins on July 24, saying he had homicidal fantasies about killing co-workers. In audio tapes of court proceedings obtained by The New York Times, Ms Duley claimed that in a July 9, 2008 session: "He was extremely agitated, out of control...". She said he had bought a gun and a bulletproof vest and had "a very detailed plan to kill his co-workers because he was about to be indicted on capital murder charges. He was going to go out in a blaze of glory". |
Give it a rest already, we all know who the anthrax scare was supposedly linked too. I can't waste time in this meaningless exchange, which is also why I don't read or post in the your favorite trolling thread. But since you've made it abundantly clear that you will troll each and every thread, and always hijack it with the same topic, and waste my time and yours, you're going on my ignore list. I can't be drawn in to long pointless discussion with you and waste large amounts of time on PDD again. I even PMed you with a psuedo explanation about a month ago or whatever yet you still must disrespect my interests and wishes.
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z I even PMed you with a psuedo explanation about a month ago or whatever yet you still must disrespect my interests and wishes. |
How is PKC trolling? I'de consider calling someone a "sheep" trolling.
this is so stupid.
the FBI, within months of the attacks, had the Anthrax genetically narrowed down to a secure American source.
anybody thats at all familiar with the cultivation of spores knows how easily Anthrax can be sourced down to the particular strain.
why would someone be stupid enough to use highly specialized, genetically engineered material in a false flag operation?
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i believe i replied that i wished you all the best for the future; and nowhere in there did you say "please refrain from taking me to task in the PDD". im sorry, i will endeavour to do so. but quit setting out bait; im not quite sure what you would expect to happen. |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z Give it a rest already, we all know who the anthrax scare was supposedly linked too. I can't waste time in this meaningless exchange, which is also why I don't read or post in the your favorite trolling thread. But since you've made it abundantly clear that you will troll each and every thread, and always hijack it with the same topic, and waste my time and yours, you're going on my ignore list. I can't be drawn in to long pointless discussion with you and waste large amounts of time on PDD again. I even PMed you with a psuedo explanation about a month ago or whatever yet you still must disrespect my interests and wishes. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Jesus Z, stop playing the martyr! Do we really need to read your personal woahs publically so as to excuse yourself? Sorry if this seems harsh but I have no love for self pity and this is hardly the first post for this sort. Get a grip man! (and I mean that in a loving, manly PDD way of course...) |
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