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Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-06-2008 15:48:

Anyone make noise?

By "noise" I mean stuff that's not melodic and has no beats and little (if any) conventional percussion, with sounds that are often either unpitched, highly distorted, or very dissonant. Something like these things that I made a while back:

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I kind of enjoy playing with this stuff because you're not constrained by what's immediately pleasing to the ear. The goal becomes simply to arrange and transform different timbres in some interesting way.

It's not the kind of thing I could listen to all day, but I find that I have an appetite for it sometimes. Merzbow is one of the most well-known artists working in the "noise" genre.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-06-2008 15:55:

Speedyshare links for people who can't use Rapidshare:

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Posted by Watts on Aug-06-2008 18:26:

I got started off in power noise when I first started producing (I still make it occasionally); however, power noise isn't without some kind of beat.

Posted by DJ Robby Rox on Aug-07-2008 06:29:

Not really sure what to say lol.

Sounds like someone has 40fx hooked up to Massives noise and is playing with knobs for 2 1/2mins.

Its interesting, I think it would be more interesting if you shaped it into a groove of some sort.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-07-2008 13:32:

Yeah, these are kind of rudimentary compared to what I'm working on now.

Check my sig for a newer noise track.

I might try to make some noisy beats (or beaty noise) soon.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-08-2008 14:52:

I'm starting to get interested in buying old or damaged (but still working) equipment to explore more twisted sounds.

Posted by Sonic_c on Aug-08-2008 15:32:

Ever considered building your own synth to make wierd shit. If you have basic soldering skills you can but the kits online and fit them into anything i seen a pic of one being fitted into an old phone it looked well good. Theramins are wierd synths too get them on ebay cheap. Also if you want interesting wierd ass sounds do a search on ebay for circuit bent synths.

Childrens toys modifyed to shit by amature synth builders and twisted inside out. i think one of the best is the alphabet one

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-08-2008 15:46:

I don't have any soldering skills, although I guess I could try to learn. I might search for circuit-bent synths on EBay.

On the software front, I got Max/MSP recently, which should open up some new possibilities for weird sounds.

Posted by mzvirbulis on Aug-08-2008 16:24:

i would love to get into max but havent got the money yet!

although i did buy the csound book a good read it is.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-08-2008 16:47:

Yeah, CSound is pretty cool. I don't have the patience for it most of the time, but I'm going to try to get into it more now that I'm diving into the exploration of crazy sounds.

Posted by cybernetica on Aug-09-2008 00:33:

Cool

Your tracks are .. um.. noise, but not in a bad sense. Sometimes, I'm like 'fuck all musical conventions' ... Then I mess around with synths, samples and tons of FX to explore new territories in sound. Its very refreshing to do that because you are not restricted to any production laws. You dont have a target when making noise... I guess most people are making noise just for themselves, because experimental Noise is something very few listeners enjoy..

about your tunes, Track 1 gave me some shivers, while number 2 was too experimental for my taste.

For listening, I prefer if it has some rythm, atmosphere, or some musical content. Especially atmospheric noise thats kinda like Dark Ambient is fucking creepy. When I was stoned and alone, I used to load up one of those super crazy reaktor ensembles, there was one thats called Ezerbee. It was creeping the shit out of me. And all I did was pressing the randomizer button

I just feel like making some noise in Ezerbee again. This thing sounds so UNREAL, its more than awesome. You should really check it out if you can get your hands on Reaktor

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-09-2008 01:09:

Thanks for the comments. I'd be grateful if you could check out the tracks in my sig as well and give them brief reviews. The ones I posted in the opening post here are kind of old, and I kind of took a long break from sound experimentation and noise to explore more melodic genres for a while. But now it looks I'm back in noise again with some improved production skills...

You'd probably like "Buried Life" best, as it's more atmospheric and a little more coherent, or at least it seems that way to me. I'm thinking of using it as the starter piece for a continuous album of some kind, with the crowd noise continuing on to start off the next track. We'll see, though.

Anyway, enough self-whoring on my part...

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I just feel like making some noise in Ezerbee again. This thing sounds so UNREAL, its more than awesome.

Hmm, I'll check that out. Thanks.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-09-2008 01:16:

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Originally posted by cybernetica
Sometimes, I'm like 'fuck all musical conventions' ... Then I mess around with synths, samples and tons of FX to explore new territories in sound. Its very refreshing to do that because you are not restricted to any production laws. You dont have a target when making noise... I guess most people are making noise just for themselves, because experimental Noise is something very few listeners enjoy..

^ Exactly how I feel about it.

Posted by cybernetica on Aug-09-2008 01:34:

I got a few more tips for creating noisescapes:

Puremagnetik Metalsphere
http://puremagnetik.com/index.php?o...=125&Itemid=143

NI FM8 is also pretty much unlimited in sound design, I remember I did some sick Ambient Noises with it.

Absynth would be my next pick for dark, metallic, distorted ambiences.

And of course Reaktor. There are a lot of FX and synths for Reaktor that are dedicated to unusual/ambient sounds, its like heaven for any experimental producer

Will check out your new tracks now.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-09-2008 01:38:

I love Reaktor. Even some of the more normal-looking synths in there can turn out some great twisted sounds.

Posted by cybernetica on Aug-09-2008 01:44:

Then maybe this is a nice teaser for Ezerbee:

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9 minute Ezerbee randomizer jam-session. :P

Do you have any favorite Synth for experimental sounds?

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Aug-09-2008 01:52:

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Originally posted by cybernetica
Do you have any favorite Synth for experimental sounds?

I love Gaugear and Skrewell in Reaktor. But for the most part I like to take general purpose synths and play around with extreme settings, like really high FM and LFO modulation, really low or high octaves, etc., or take "normal" synth noises and do some manipulation like extreme EQing, pitch manipulation, or weird vocoding.

Posted by cybernetica on Aug-09-2008 02:20:

Gaugear was one of my favorites too. I dig how you can use this fucked up ambience synth musically with a little effort.

So youre more of a FX guy? I remember there was a VST FX called GRM Frequency Warp or something like that. I used to love destroying any sound with it, but it was a little unstable.

Posted by kitphillips on Aug-09-2008 04:20:

I was just about to mention Gaugear, one of the coolest synths anywhere IMO. Theres some great stuff in the granular sampler department if you look in the user library. But I'm not gonna tip my hand completely by giving names I really like any ensemble where you can scroll through a waveform with the mouse, its great for effects.
Sometimes it really helps in modern music to forget about musical conventions and analyse a track in terms of feelings and "noise", rather than the traditional intervals and chords. Sometimes its better to look at a track as simple noise, and evaluate how that noise makes you feel, rather than looking at the way the different elements interact musically. It seems to do the track more justice than a traditional analysis sometimes. Traditional analysis would have no terminology for noise sweeps and other effects for example, which are incredibly important in some (very musical) tracks.

Posted by airwalker1 on Aug-13-2008 16:02:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I don't have any soldering skills, although I guess I could try to learn. I might search for circuit-bent synths on EBay.

On the software front, I got Max/MSP recently, which should open up some new possibilities for weird sounds.
ONE GOOD WAY OF MAKING NOISE IS BY MAKING YOUR OWN SAMPLES[ie find a mic and record real life noise.

Posted by kitphillips on Aug-14-2008 01:42:

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Originally posted by airwalker1
ONE GOOD WAY OF MAKING NOISE IS BY MAKING YOUR OWN SAMPLES[ie find a mic and record real life noise.

Wow, that was a lot of noise.

Posted by parafrNalia on Aug-14-2008 04:08:

Reminds me of some of those weird Aphex Twin songs...

As well as Revolution #9 by the Beatles.

Posted by Sonic_c on Aug-14-2008 08:00:

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Originally posted by kitphillips
I was just about to mention Gaugear, one of the coolest synths anywhere IMO. Theres some great stuff in the granular sampler department if you look in the user library. But I'm not gonna tip my hand completely by giving names I really like any ensemble where you can scroll through a waveform with the mouse, its great for effects.
Sometimes it really helps in modern music to forget about musical conventions and analyse a track in terms of feelings and "noise", rather than the traditional intervals and chords. Sometimes its better to look at a track as simple noise, and evaluate how that noise makes you feel, rather than looking at the way the different elements interact musically. It seems to do the track more justice than a traditional analysis sometimes. Traditional analysis would have no terminology for noise sweeps and other effects for example, which are incredibly important in some (very musical) tracks.

I found this usesful!