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Radical loons making threats...
The loons have made their arrival..
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| Man held in Fla. on charge of threatening Obama By CURT ANDERSON, AP Legal Affairs Writer 23 minutes ago MIAMI - A man who authorities said was keeping weapons and military-style gear in his hotel room and car appeared in court Thursday on charges he threatened to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Raymond Hunter Geisel, 22, was arrested by the Secret Service on Saturday in Miami and was ordered held at Miami's downtown detention center without bail Thursday by a federal magistrate. A Secret Service affidavit charges that Geisel made the threat during a training class for bail bondsmen in Miami in late July. According to someone else in the 48-member class, Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself." Obama was most recently in Florida on Aug. 1-2 but did not visit the South Florida area. Another person in the class quoted Geisel as saying that "he hated George W. Bush and that he wanted to put a bullet in the president's head," according to the Secret Service. Geisel denied in a written statement to a Secret Service agent that he ever made those threats, and the documents don't indicate that he ever took steps to carry out any assassination. He was charged only with threatening Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, but not for any threat against President Bush. Geisel's court-appointed attorney declined comment. In the interview with a Secret Service agent, Geisel said "if he wanted to kill Senator Obama he simply would shoot him with a sniper rifle, but then he claimed that he was just joking," according to court documents. A search of Geisel's 1998 Ford Explorer and hotel room in Miami uncovered a loaded 9mm handgun, knives, dozens of rounds of ammunition including armor-piercing types, body armor, military-style fatigues and a machete. The SUV was wired with flashing red and yellow emergency lights. Geisel told the Secret Service he was originally from Bangor, Maine, and had been living recently in a houseboat in the Florida Keys town of Marathon, according to court documents. He said he used the handgun for training for the bail bondsman class, had the knives for protection and used the machete to cut brush in Maine. In the affidavit, the Secret Service said Geisel told agents that he suffered from psychiatric problems including post-traumatic stress disorder, but he couldn't provide the names of any facilities where he sought treatment. |
Typical.
Some random guy threatens The Annointed One and the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? 
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Typical. Some random guy threatens The Annointed One and the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? |
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| Originally posted by Krypton I dunno what he was. He threatened to assassinate George Bush too. But the guy who shot up a Universalist Church a couple weeks ago did it because of "a hatred of liberals". When they searched his house, they found books by Michael Savage and Sean Hannity. Michael Savage is one who says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder." "A disease." "A sickness." Mr. Savage also says children with autism are "faking it." Someone was bound to respond to the rhetoric. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r I think you may be trying to connect dots that don't connect... |
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| Originally posted by Krypton Well, Mr. O'Reilly likes to blame Ludacris and Marilyn Manson for a perceived decline in morality. But I'm not allowed to implicate them when some lunatic goes buck wild on their ideology? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Would anyone want to base a judgment with that kind of juxtaposition? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Typical. Some random guy threatens The Annointed One and the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z Err, I don't think so. You should listen to some of the shit people here in Texas say just because he's black, doesn't sound terribly different from the thread title... and I'm not kidding btw. The last thing we need is some random asshole shooting a President. |
The right can deny it all they want, a lot of them would never ever consider someone for president who looked or sounded different the norm. That really is the nature of conservatism. The desire for things to remain as they traditionally have been.
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| Originally posted by Krypton That really is the nature of conservatism. The desire for things to remain as they traditionally have been. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN actually, the nature of traditional conservatism involves the principle that changes to society should be measured and incremental. slow and steady - even cautious - on the road to reform. also factor in a certain degree of "nanny-state" from a social perspective, combined with liberalism from an economics standpoint. the term has been hijacked in the US to mean god knows what. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r the knee-jerk reaction is he's right-wing? |
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keeping weapons and military-style gear |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN do the math |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN do the math |
come on guys. how many times do we hear of american citizens harbouring weapons and dressing up in military gear, and they happen to be a communist rather than some right-wing militia member?
what was oklahoma again? how many leftist groups make the news in the US?
if obama is perceived as left wing and someone was planning on taking him out, would it be fair to assume that the assailant might have been right wing?
if some guy was found with explosives strapped to his chest you'd have no problem with him being described as an islamist firestarter. whats the difference?
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN if obama is perceived as left wing and someone was planning on taking him out, would it be fair to assume that the assailant might have been right wing? |
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if some guy was found with explosives strapped to his chest you'd have no problem with him being described as an islamist firestarter. whats the difference? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r uh...no. Any nutjob fits the bill. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Bad example. And how many Islamists with explosives strapped to their chest are in the States again...? Have there been any? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Following this train of logic I guess this makes Mark (David) Chapman immediately right wing too... |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Bad example. And how many Islamists with explosives strapped to their chest are in the States again...? Have there been any? |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer please do tell us the why that hasnt happend yet. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well of course. i just think it is completely ridiculous of you to focus on that tiny part of the article as if its particularly relevant to, well, anything. |
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why on earth would you think i was referencing suicide attacks in the US? |
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people that blow themselves up with bombs strapped to their chest often come from the middle east, and right-wing militia-men that have an over-zealous enjoyment of firearms and disagree with black, (supposedly) progressive politicians often come from the USA. so, i hardly see the issue in describing some guy in the US, wearing military outfits and carrying guns as "right wing". how many people do you know of that fit that bill yet are card-carrying members of the radical left in the US? how many? |
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who said anything about a "train" of logic? a reporter is describing the suspect as they see it. do you have any evidence that the assessment is actually incorrect? if you do, then you should present it. otherwise, your whole involvement with the debate says a lot more about you than it does about the US media. honestly, how meaningless an issue? in the end, calling anything right or left wing is a judgement call depending on the person making the judgement. maybe the reporter is a hardcore marxist. |
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you want to know who has made obama seem like the "annointed one" as you like to call him? the united states republican party. congratulations guys. |
I changed the thread title because the guy threatened not only Obama, but also, George Bush. Maybe George isn't right-wing enough?
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| Originally posted by Krypton I changed the thread title because the guy threatened not only Obama, but also, George Bush. Maybe George isn't right-wing enough? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...illustrating my point exactly. Maybe the guy was fascist? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Again, you're missing the boat - it had to do with the former thread title, not the article... Sorry yea miseed it because your whole involvement is confused now... |
i retract my former comments!
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ahhhh, my mistake. thats what happens when you spend your whole weekend high i retract my former comments! |
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