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How good does a song recorded from vinyl into .mp3/.wav format sound? I wondering because a lot of the music I like is only available on vinyl, and I would rather bring cds to a gig. Thanks.

You would need to hookup the turntable to a computer and record each track. It's time consuming. Also, the tempo won't be exact because the platter isn't exactly at 0 tempo when you're recording (please correct me if I'm wrong).

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Originally posted by saltytheseagull You would need to hookup the turntable to a computer and record each track. It's time consuming. Also, the tempo won't be exact because the platter isn't exactly at 0 tempo when you're recording (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Yeah i would imagine its impossible to keep a motor running at the exact same speed 100% of the time

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Originally posted by saltytheseagull You would need to hookup the turntable to a computer and record each track. It's time consuming. Also, the tempo won't be exact because the platter isn't exactly at 0 tempo when you're recording (please correct me if I'm wrong).

It should be pretty accurate if you leave it on 0 on a Technics deck - they use a quartz crystal to make sure it's going as close to 33 1/3 or 45 rpm as possible, but you're right - wow/flutter still play a part and can make it wobble very slightly, shouldn't be too significant though.

It will sound as good as the vinyl. If the vinyl crackles then so will the recording.

I like vinyl cracks

I'd say you look into getting a software that will record the input signal of the assigned turntable. Soundforge is good (expensive too), but I remember I once did a Vinyl rip with Audacity and Polderbits - Good Quality.

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Originally posted by pwnage1 It will sound as good as the vinyl. If the vinyl crackles then so will the recording.

it will never sound as good as the vinyl, but it can still sound very good.

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Originally posted by elFreak it will never sound as good as the vinyl, but it can still sound very good.

+1

i have vinyl rips of many of my tracks in case i can't use decks but they are never as good

you are degrading the quality through the mixer twice and also it your soundcard can affect it.

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Originally posted by nefardec +1 i have vinyl rips of many of my tracks in case i can't use decks but they are never as good you are degrading the quality through the mixer twice and also it your soundcard can affect it.

Yes, your soundcard will affect the quality of it. But, with a good quality soundcard the difference is so little, especially in a club. Still though i would prefer to use the record whenever possible because of the feel.

i have heard really good things about m-audio izotope when it comes to restoring your vinyl recordings. supposed to be really good with the pops and cracks of vinyl and give it some warmth if you want to.

couldnt validate it though. anybody have experience with it?

Thanks for the info. I really want to start building up a massive vinyl collection, but I think I'll have to start DJing with CDJs due to the availability of .mp3s/.wavs.

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Originally posted by i got big pants i have heard really good things about m-audio izotope when it comes to restoring your vinyl recordings. supposed to be really good with the pops and cracks of vinyl and give it some warmth if you want to. couldnt validate it though. anybody have experience with it?

I'd be really interest in knowing how a software generates "warmth".

i've rip most of my oldies to play them on serato, i use to play them during 4 month in a 6 000 watt ElectroVoice sound system with a Rodec mx180 mkIII as mixer, in a small club :
- i never noticed a difference in the tempo, i could play them 3 min together and never had to move the platter to correct beatmatch.
- the sound was pretty good, clubbers never complained about the sound neither did i.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I'd be really interest in knowing how a software generates "warmth".

I gather it's just a combination of appropriate EQ and compression - the PSP Vintage Warmer VST is basically just a glorified multiband compressor designed to compress and boost frequencies they've determined give warmth (mostly in the lower frequencies).

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Originally posted by Stu Cox I gather it's just a combination of appropriate EQ and compression - the PSP Vintage Warmer VST is basically just a glorified multiband compressor designed to compress and boost frequencies they've determined give warmth (mostly in the lower frequencies).

I would imagine that is usually done before the release is even pressed to vinyl.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I would imagine that is usually done before the release is even pressed to vinyl.

Sometimes, although the warmth is usually considered to be a character of the vinyl pressing itself - it's more likely to be added to a track aimed for digital release to give it more of a vinyl character, I know a lot of producers who always use that PSP plugin on every track to try and make them sound less "digital"... it sort of goes against simple logic to try and add warmth to a recording from vinyl as it should already have it and you don't really want to overdo it, but maybe the Izotope is simply tailored to try and maintain that warmth.

would something like this work well for recording vinyl into a .mp3/.wav format?

http://www.agiprodj.com/numark-ttus...udio-interface/

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest would something like this work well for recording vinyl into a .mp3/.wav format? http://www.agiprodj.com/numark-ttus...udio-interface/

Along similar lines...I just picked this up and it has been very impressive in its conversion quality imo...works easily with Audacity (free)

http://reviews.cnet.com/turntables/...7-32417457.html

I use Audacity to record with type it into google to download it, it's fre & easy to use & enables you to decide upon the quality & format of your recordings. Having good turntables & a good mixer will also effect the sound quality as will the needles.

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest would something like this work well for recording vinyl into a .mp3/.wav format? http://www.agiprodj.com/numark-ttus...udio-interface/

if you want low quality recordings it will work fine.

you can not record a high bitrate sample.

it was 110$ at costco this weekend, i checked it out and did not deem it worthwhile to buy.

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Originally posted by elFreak if you want low quality recordings it will work fine. you can not record a high bitrate sample. it was 110$ at costco this weekend, i checked it out and did not deem it worthwhile to buy.

Thanks for the advice. It looks like I'll be getting a Technics 1210 anyways. I'll just figure out how to use that.

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest Thanks for the advice. It looks like I'll be getting a Technics 1210 anyways. I'll just figure out how to use that.

TBH, the best way to go about this is to just rip them one by one on a good direct drive turntable with the quartz lock located to 0 on the pitch. Wow and flutter is not a concern as the amount of deviation from zero is so small that the drift in time is negligible over a period of even 10 mins.

The things to consider:

1, Good turntable - 1210 is perfectly suitable, as it holds pitch extremely well and has low internal rumble (which can be transferred on to the recording)

2, Good needles - Ortofons (especially concords), Stantons (especially trackmasters), Shures. Doesn't matter too much which, as this is personal preference but make sure they are more aimed at sound quality than tracking/scratching. I find the frequency response on the Ortofon Nightclub E to be the widest with good bass representation and clear crisp highs.

3, That Turntable is on an exactly level surface, the tonarm weight is correctly balanced and the stylus is in the perfect position. These are really important if you are trying to get the most from your vinyl.

4, That you use a decent phono preamp (mixer) and soundcard to get the signal in to your computer.

The reasons for this list are that the quality of the rip will only be as good as the weakest link(s) in this chain.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN TBH, the best way to go about this is to just rip them one by one on a good direct drive turntable with the quartz lock located to 0 on the pitch. Wow and flutter is not a concern as the amount of deviation from zero is so small that the drift in time is negligible over a period of even 10 mins. The things to consider: 1, Good turntable - 1210 is perfectly suitable, as it holds pitch extremely well and has low internal rumble (which can be transferred on to the recording) 2, Good needles - Ortofons (especially concords), Stantons (especially trackmasters), Shures. Doesn't matter too much which, as this is personal preference but make sure they are more aimed at sound quality than tracking/scratching. I find the frequency response on the Ortofon Nightclub E to be the widest with good bass representation and clear crisp highs. 3, That Turntable is on an exactly level surface, the tonarm weight is correctly balanced and the stylus is in the perfect position. These are really important if you are trying to get the most from your vinyl. 4, That you use a decent phono preamp (mixer) and soundcard to get the signal in to your computer. The reasons for this list are that the quality of the rip will only be as good as the weakest link(s) in this chain.

Thank you, I'll definitely follow this advice.

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