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Posted by Jem_hadar on Aug-13-2008 15:43:

HappyHappy Man arrested for slapping daughter

quote:
Man arrested for hitting daughter

A man who was arrested and cautioned for slapping his 13-year-old daughter across the face fears he will no longer be able to work with children.


Jess said she was sorry for getting her father into trouble


Jim McCullough, of Manchester, hit Jess after she banged a neighbour's window at midnight, and she called the police.

He has now quit the football coaching and community work he has done for over 15 years, as the caution could stop him working with vulnerable children.

Mr McCullough said he had never slapped Jess before. She has apologised.

The father-of-four said he felt striking Jess was the only way to get her to understand what she had done.

The single parent, from Wythenshawe, said: "I wish I had asked for my day in court rather than accepted a police caution.

"That way I could have explained that I was trying to do what was right for my daughter.

"Jess isn't bad, but some of the 13-year-olds who live here do use drugs and drink and I don't want that path for her."

Mr McCullough said he had had no trouble with his other three children Christopher, 22, Nicola, 21, and Joanna, 19.

A Greater Manchester Police spokesman said: "When an offence is admitted the offender is always liable to receive a caution.

"Had the offence not been admitted, officers would have pursued the matter with the CPS.


'Wrong message'

"An allegation of domestic violence was made and GMP officers always take these allegations very seriously."

Mr McCullough previously had a clean criminal record and recently qualified as a security guard, but said his work prospects had been ruined.

Jess, a year nine pupil at Parklands High School in Wythenshawe, said she was sorry for what had happened.

She said: "I did deserve the slapping because of the things I'd been doing.

"I was expecting my dad to come home from the police station and for everything to be the same as before."

National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) policy manager Lucy Thorpe said: "All parents can sometimes be pushed to the limit by teenagers who are looking to see how far they can go but smacking won't solve the problem.

"It simply tells your child that violence is acceptable and gives the message that its all right for them to hit other people."


I did deserve the slapping because of the things I'd been doing
- Jess McCullough



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/...ter/7558560.stm



Hmm.


Posted by evil_cookie on Aug-13-2008 15:49:

fuck that, slap that kid around.
kids are beyond fucked up these days - they have no discipline and no respect.

I expect a good, responsible parent to always keep their kid in line.


Posted by smuncky on Aug-13-2008 15:54:

hope she realizes how much she fucked up. now her dad doesn't have a job. good job stupid!


Posted by kaniz on Aug-13-2008 15:55:

I think that there is a big difference between slapping/smacking a child, and child abuse.

But really, for a 1-off slap from a guy who's been doing coaching / community service for 15 years deserves a bit more investigation into the situation beyond a blanket 'omg, you hit your kid - you monster!'

I was never smacked as a child, but my sister was once or twice - and eventually simply the threat of getting hit was enough to get us back in line. Oh, the threat of the wooden spoon - how powerful you were.

I remember once my sister was acting out and got in trouble at school, when we got home into the driveway my sister threatened my mom with "if you hit me, I'll call child services!". My mom smacked her ass all the way into the house, up the stairs and into her bedroom. I think that was the last time my mom smacked her, and my sister started to behave allot after that


Posted by FunkyCrew on Aug-13-2008 16:01:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
hope she realizes how much she fucked up. now her dad doesn't have a job. good job stupid!


+ 1
what an idiot!


Posted by Yohan on Aug-13-2008 16:08:

quote:
Originally posted by kaniz
I remember once my sister was acting out and got in trouble at school, when we got home into the driveway my sister threatened my mom with "if you hit me, I'll call child services!". My mom smacked her ass all the way into the house, up the stairs and into her bedroom. I think that was the last time my mom smacked her, and my sister started to behave allot after that

Reminds me of that Russell Peters skit

Pain is nature's way of telling you that you fucked up
Spare the rod, spoil the child


Posted by love_child on Aug-13-2008 16:21:

WTF...I always got my ass beat for doing shit as a kid...who cares...as long as its not someone hitting their kid for no reason then I think its the parents right to give a good wack here and there...keeps em in line.


Posted by Dave Akermanis on Aug-13-2008 16:23:

quote:
Originally posted by love_child
WTF...I always got my ass beat for doing shit as a kid...who cares...as long as its not someone hitting their kid for no reason then I think its the parents right to give a good wack here and there...keeps em in line.


Seriously. Me too. What's wrong with the world these days?


Posted by yankeeBaby on Aug-13-2008 16:23:

^^ for real. My dad smacking me around was the only thing that made me fearful enough to stop acting like a hoodlum with no respect. I was a bad ass kid til my dad started laying the smack down.


Posted by xxrompxx on Aug-13-2008 16:43:

quote:
Originally posted by love_child
WTF...I always got my ass beat for doing shit as a kid...who cares...as long as its not someone hitting their kid for no reason then I think its the parents right to give a good wack here and there...keeps em in line.


yep totally agree. I got the shit kicked out of me when I was a kid, but looking back, I prolly deserved to be beat even more,, I was a little devil and a half.. but my younger brother didn't get beat as much because he would see me get beat to a pulp and wouldn't do what I did.. damn sucks to be first in line..

hey as long as the kid isn't scarred (physically or emotionally) for life then I'm sure the parents are doing it for their own good! tuff love is true love


Posted by Dr. DAS on Aug-13-2008 16:47:

This is half the problem with the world today...teachers and administrators are basically powerless and now CAS wants in every time a parent corrects their child physically.

I was smacked a few times as a kid, and each time I had it coming. I knew I did at the time.

I'm happy to say that I fully intend on smacking my kids around when I have them, the trick is knowing when it's appropriate. It is one thing to smack a kid back into line, it's another to take out your bad day on them.

No belts, no broomstick, just a solid whap with an open palm on the ass...and maybe a spoon if they're pushing it.


Posted by I_Am_Vince on Aug-13-2008 16:51:

quote:
Originally posted by evil_cookie
fuck that, slap that kid around.
kids are beyond fucked up these days - they have no discipline and no respect.

I expect a good, responsible parent to always keep their kid in line.


+1


Posted by TranceGrooves on Aug-13-2008 16:58:

Who told the cops that the dude had slapped his daughter?


Posted by Trancealot on Aug-13-2008 16:58:

My thoery is...
there are three types of parents

1. Don't care and are mean always
2. Care and know what the deal is
3. Too nice

Back then(let's say before 1990) it was mostly #2 where parents hit children due to good reasons to make them a better person and only do it when necessary<-- key word

now its too much 1 and 3. #1 will hit kids uncontrollably due to their stupidity of drunk or ways and make #2 look bad as well. #3 will be afraid to touch their kids and let them get away with murder if possible. #2 is extinct so that means anyone who lay a finger on a kid will get the law smackdown. See teachers. Kids lie about stuff and get away with it. Main reason is kids were given these rights but now some or many are using it for their onw personal benefit and don't realize the consequences.

Brief Summary: Kids given rights but don't use them wisely and parents can't touch kids.


Posted by yankeeBaby on Aug-13-2008 16:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. DAS
This is half the problem with the world today...teachers and administrators are basically powerless and now CAS wants in every time a parent corrects their child physically.


One of our sister schools in the Bronx got so outta control at the end of the school year that one kid hit a teacher. A riot started and a bunch of teachers and admins got the shit kicked outta them. They had to put the school on lockdown just because a bunch of 13-year-old have no respect. Half the admins quit after that, because they felt as if they didnt want to risk their safety to work there. (mind you these are 12-13 year olds). kids these days have NO respect!! I myself have been in restraint with a kid many times.


Posted by MarkT on Aug-13-2008 18:07:

sounds like a weak system.

sure, she's dumb for calling the cops...and he's dumb for slapping her for banging on a window.

but WHY is the system set up to penalize this parent for an apparent 'one-off' situation, by equating him with someone else who admitted to doing somethign far more serious/harmful? why does the system screw him out of working with kids, just because he slapped his daughter once?

there should be a process to remove the "caution" or whatever is ruining his job prospects.

ridiculous.


Posted by Jem_hadar on Aug-13-2008 18:19:

quote:
Originally posted by yankeeBaby
^^ for real. My dad smacking me around was the only thing that made me fearful enough to stop acting like a hoodlum with no respect. I was a bad ass kid til my dad started laying the smack down.


Agreed. Fear of my father when I'd done something wrong/inappropriate/etc was what kept me in line growing up. And kids _should_ be kept in line.

Things are out of control these days. There's no fear, and w/o that justified, reasonable fear, there's no respect 1/2 the time it seems, and this is leading to problem children.


quote:
Originally posted by TranceGrooves
Who told the cops that the dude had slapped his daughter?

She called the cops son them and told them that happened.


Posted by robbiej on Aug-13-2008 18:48:

ah man.. these kids... i used to get the belt lol


Posted by spolitta on Aug-13-2008 18:59:


Posted by chinamon on Aug-13-2008 19:27:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGrooves
Who told the cops that the dude had slapped his daughter?


she called the cops. its in the beginning of the article.
he should punch her for calling the cops.


Posted by chinamon on Aug-13-2008 19:28:

quote:
Originally posted by robbiej
ah man.. these kids... i used to get the belt lol


i got the belt, wire coat hanger and wooden spoon.
my mom was buying a new wooden spoon almost every week cuz they kept breaking.


Posted by Jer on Aug-13-2008 19:34:

Steppin' outta line.
That's a paddlin'.


Posted by breakawayj on Aug-13-2008 20:21:

I had my fair share of smacks on the ass growing up too.....I think kids these days are definately getting out of control. HOWEVER....I never got smacked in the face?? wtf??

Its really too bad about the guys job but he probably should have thought twice before smacking his daughter in the face....lol

honestly.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Aug-13-2008 20:54:

quote:
Originally posted by breakawayj
I had my fair share of smacks on the ass growing up too.....I think kids these days are definately getting out of control. HOWEVER....I never got smacked in the face?? wtf??

Its really too bad about the guys job but he probably should have thought twice before smacking his daughter in the face....lol

honestly.


nothing wrong with a slap on the face
though only my Mom did that


Posted by kaniz on Aug-13-2008 21:01:

There should be considerations of - just cause and reasonable force.

A quick smack across the face/butt for being out of line: reasonable
Throwing the kid across the room because you had a bad day at work: unreasonable

A smack on the ass for stealing your moms wallet: reasonable
Punching the kid in the eye because he interrupted you watching TV: unreasonable


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