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Modern Tech House, Berliner Trance, and Contemporary Trance

All of these genres, I think, have a fair bit of overlap in them - yet are quite clearly their own sounds (i.e. no one would call Richard Durand "tech house" or "berliner trance") - I guess the simplest way to put it is that they share a lot of similar samples and noises.

I'm going to be the first to admit - what I initially called trance may well have been more prog house than anything else (99 era Sasha and Digweed, some Oakenfold, etc. - though I realize these labels are all highly contentious as it is).

The thing is - I've had this overwhelming feeling lately that what I'm playing these days is more "trance" than just about anything else out there being called trance these days. This is my own opinion, and should not be taken as me claiming "Modern 'trance' isn't trance." I guess I just feel like a lot of the tracks I've been picking up and playing lately, and especially the last two promo mixes I've done, have been mired in trance noises.

The Point: What do you all think about the re-emergence of a lot of old school trance sounds (and I guess berliner trance/techno) in modern tech-house, techno, and minimal? Do you think that is more "trance" than what is actually labeled as "trance" today by sites like Beatport and Juno?



For my part, I feel like it's been a natural progression from that 99 era stuff, and even as far back as early 90's Underworld, to where I am now (hence the thread), but thought it might be an interesting topic to discuss here as I know there will be very mixed opinions.

Re: Modern Tech House, Berliner Trance, and Contemporary Trance

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Originally posted by RJT The Point: What do you all think about the re-emergence of a lot of old school trance sounds (and I guess berliner trance/techno) in modern tech-house, techno, and minimal?

I'm all for it, let them keep calling the garbage ASOT type tracks "trance" so it is easy for me to avoid that shit while the best parts of what was trance are pulled into the other genres

I don't think it's trance influence per say, but most likely that you are just fond of melodic music. And no doubt about it the best tech-house/techno being released right now most of the time has in one way or another melodic characteristics or some kind of atmosphere that can definitely be compared to late 90's prog. I for one also enjoy more the atmosphere-ish, trancey, tech realm of music as of late, and I wouldn't be surprised if I knew that a lot of the producers making stuff like that right now were into trance/prog back in the day.

I prefer the music I listen to currently to have more house and techno influences than trance and prog influences.

I don't really know that I was getting at personal preference - just the very real trend towards incorporating those sounds into modern tech house, techno, and minimal.

I don't see it to be honest. The only trend I see is music with the bpm range of 120-130. To me there's all kinds of tech-house/techno being released these days. From 80'-early 90's house influence to late 90's prog influence to the minimalistic stuff. Then again to be fair I'm no near as avid clubbers as you guys.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid I don't see it to be honest. The only trend I see is music with the bpm range of 120-130. To me there's all kinds of tech-house/techno being released these days. From 80'-early 90's house influence to late 90's prog influence to the minimalistic stuff. Then again to be fair I'm no near as avid clubbers as you guys.

Nah - I think disagreement on this issue is totally fair, and to be honest, I'm not much of a clubber anymore either. Gigs have become in a bit shorter supply (though not nonexistent), real life beckons, and I don't really care for the bulk of the music I can hear out at clubs anymore.

And to be honest - perhaps it's just me once again calling old school epic house and delta heavy era prog sounds "trance" yet again, which I'm sure will raise the ire of at least a few folks

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Originally posted by RJT And to be honest - perhaps it's just me once again calling old school epic house and delta heavy era prog sounds "trance" yet again, which I'm sure will raise the ire of at least a few folks

But thats really basically what it is. It's not trance in the sense of The Anthem because trance as we know it today is just pop music basically.

But the basic way the songs work is trance to me.


Shmuel Flash - Chilling Moments, the old bedrock, its all trance that just evolved out of its 90's shell and took on a slightly refined form.

And yeah that will probably piss people off.

the easiest way to deal with this is to say


trance is only what you call 'berliner trance'.


everything else is prog trance and variations, or prog house and variations


i don't really see what you're trying to accomplish when you say your music is trance.


is it entrancing? yeah, but this relativistic description of trance music has been used by everyone and their grandmother to make the same claim. eg "ASOT".




all of the people who were into that stuff in the late 90s and early 00s are today championing so-called minimal tech house with the same sounds

Not really trying to accomplish anything at all - just a thought I've bounced around for a while and I wanted to see how others reacted to it.

ah

i also see a lot of nostalgia in this phenomenon

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Originally posted by Clovis Shmuel Flash - Chilling Moments, the old bedrock, its all trance that just evolved out of its 90's shell and took on a slightly refined form. And yeah that will probably piss people off.

I wouldn't say all of it because I've never heard of Hawtin playing Quivver back in the day and then switching onto Techno, but yeah I can see where you guys are coming from. Especially most of the stuff that Sasha, Digger, Pappa, Howells, Blades, Seaman, Warren and so on are playing today; I can see how it is connected to trance...in some way.

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Originally posted by nefardec ah i also see a lot of nostalgia in this phenomenon

Bingo. Really what I was getting at more than anything.

Maybe that's just me, but this thread kinda lost me RJT....(and I realize it can be hard to translate your feeling about something on the interwebs).

Not sure if this is related to a 2007 artcile which struck me back then http://www.emusic.com/features/spot...281_200703.html
(although I realize some points in Sherburne's article may not be as relevant this year)

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Originally posted by julien2 Maybe that's just me, but this thread kinda lost me RJT....(and I realize it can be hard to translate your feeling about something on the interwebs). Not sure if this is related to a 2007 artcile which struck me back then http://www.emusic.com/features/spot...281_200703.html (although I realize some points in Sherburne's article may not be as relevant this year)

Yeah - it's really my fault, because I think I've completely failed at conveying what I wanted to here.

That article ties it up nicely though - and I guess the notion that I feel a lot of "nostalgia" when listening to loads of new music, and that it's a kind of nostalgia I hadn't really felt prior.

Bleh - probably even more confusing now. I like old noises.

the racist answer to this phenomenon is:

when white europeans try to make black techno and house, they end up with trance or prog, whether they're ripping it off for the first time, or the nth time

everyone trying to make a return to the 'old school' now falls into the same trap that the early trance producers did when they tried to make detroit techno

once you go black... you end up with trance?

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Originally posted by RJT Yeah - it's really my fault, because I think I've completely failed at conveying what I wanted to here. That article ties it up nicely though - and I guess the notion that I feel a lot of "nostalgia" when listening to loads of new music, and that it's a kind of nostalgia I hadn't really felt prior. Bleh - probably even more confusing now. I like old noises.

So this thread was only a rant because you're getting older and dont want to....?





So my advice is buy a corvette and cruise for 16 year olds. Oh wait, you might not be 55 yet...

My hairline is certainly at the level of a 55 year old already

genre tags suck.

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Originally posted by elFreak genre tags suck.

You suck.

i like to say i play techminimatrancegabberhouse&bass

Up till like 2004-2005, trance was trance to me, since then alot of what has been called trance has sounded more proggy, like the songs would all just build up to nothing (though the old trance sound does indeed seem to be re-emerging).

There's nothing wrong with trying to differentiate between all the real and imagined genres and sub-genres of EDM, just so long as you don't get so wrapped up in the genre label that you forget about the music.

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Originally posted by elFreak i like to say i play techminimatrancegabberhouse&bas

fixed.

i think all of us who were introduced to electronic dance music by 'trance' will always relate our current musical interests to trance



for instance



i would call trancey

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