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Obama: envies communism, scolds America

Down the spiral he goes....

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OBAMA: Everybody's watching what's going on in Beijing right now in the Olympics. Think about the amount of money that China has spent on infrastructure. Their ports, their train systems, their airports are all vastly superior to us now, which means if you're a corporation deciding where to do business, you're starting to think Beijing looks like a pretty good option.

Yeah, they don't have any environmentalists to deal with! They don't have any big government regulations. They can put up cheap buildings. They can put up all kinds of cheap eye candy infrastructure. But this guy is salivating over a totalitarian system and the power that the Chinese government has, and he is using that to say they are a better country than the United States. This is breathtakingly politically stupid. There are just certain things that you're not going to be able to pass off to people. China, a better place to live than the United States? Well, maybe if you don't mind pollution controls that don't exist. Maybe if you don't care that people are employed at slave labor wages. And maybe, if you don't care that construction standards in the countryside are so shoddy that they allow of collapse of thousands of buildings, including schools, so that when an earthquake hits it kills tens of thousands of people....if that stuff just doesn't bother you, then I guess maybe China does look pretty good to you.

The reason that the government can afford all of this spending is that they control the means of production and the wealth of the nation. They can confiscate what they want at will and spend it where they like. And in Beijing, they spent it where the cameras would be pointed. This guy got all of his information from watching the olympics.

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The Chinese infrastructure that so enthralls Obama remains decades behind that of the US. What infrastructure China manages to build, however, gets its energy from oil and coal, not from wind and solar. China has become the highest emissions nation in the world and shows no sign of slowing itself down over concerns about anthropogenic climate change. In fact, the air in Beijing is so bad that outdoor Olympics events almost had to be moved. Meanwhile, the regime where Obama thinks the world would love to do business maintains itself through brutal oppression. China blocked access to the Internet for international journalists despite promising to allow full access to reporters for the Games. They arrested reporters covering peaceful protests. And these are the actions they took while trying to make themselves look good. If Obama wants us to build up American infrastructure, he can start by ending the flow of American wealth overseas for energy. Create hundreds of thousands of jobs by building the American energy infrastructure through drilling in the OCS, ANWR, and interior shale formations. Lower capital-gains tax rates to encourage more investment and generate more revenues (and jobs). America needs a President who can see past the facades.

Obama is right. Multinationals are all salivating over the Chinese market. Where is he wrong?

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Originally posted by Krypton Obama is right. Multinationals are all salivating over the Chinese market. Where is he wrong?

This guy obviously pays no attention to the markets. Some Republican he is.

BTW, do you know where China got all of its money to invest in these things. Yes, that's right, interest payments on loans to the United States.

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one I'm afraid.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy This guy obviously pays no attention to the markets. Some Republican he is.

Just keeping everyone aprised of Obama's love of government power and urge to talk down the U.S... oh, and make stupid comments that don't hold water. Where does Obama think huge corporations like Nike and Apple already are manufacturing their shit? And I'm a conservative first, not necessarily a Republican. Although, I will be voting Republican in Nov.

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Originally posted by The17sss Just keeping everyone aprised of Obama's love of government power and urge to talk down the U.S... oh, and make stupid comments that don't hold water. Where does Obama think huge corporations like Nike and Apple already are manufacturing their shit? And I'm a conservative first, not necessarily a Republican. Although, I will be voting Republican in Nov.

Obama's love of government? Remind me who is bailing out corporations on Wall Street with tax payer money, spending more dollars on the military than all countries in the world combined, and running the highest governmental deficit in the history of this country (both Rep and Dem)...

I'm waiting eagerly for your answer...

Obama would make a great lawyer ... but a bad politician. It seems.

Our infrastructure is going to shit faster than you can say the word, and that is a fact.

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Originally posted by Krypton Obama's love of government? Remind me who is bailing out corporations on Wall Street with tax payer money, spending more dollars on the military than all countries in the world combined, and running the highest governmental deficit in the history of this country (both Rep and Dem)... I'm waiting eagerly for your answer...

my answer is... the dems run congress and control the money son! but don't deflect from the point about obama... this one isn't about the GOP

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Originally posted by The17sss my answer is... the dems run congress and control the money son! but don't deflect from the point about obama... this one isn't about the GOP

You are taking the point of view of the GOP. The party of small government, low taxes, a "humble foreign policy" <--Remember that?, this is the party which abandons its own age old principles. But still, it's the Dems are are the big bad evil government enlargers, etc. etc. Am I wrong? The Dems didn't take our government debt from $5 trillion to $9 trillion. The Dems did not initiate the largest increase in defense spending since world war II. So much for the party of small government...

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Originally posted by Krypton You are taking the point of view of the GOP. The party of small government, low taxes, a "humble foreign policy" <--Remember that?, this is the party which abandons its own age old principles. But still, it's the Dems are are the big bad evil government enlargers, etc. etc. Am I wrong? The Dems didn't take our government debt from $5 trillion to $9 trillion. The Dems did not initiate the largest increase in defense spending since world war II. So much for the party of small government...

We've already been over this. I am just as disgusted with the GOP as you are with how they've abandoned their conservative principles. As big as the GOP made it now, which is out of hand, the Dems still want to make it bigger than that... that can't excite you if what the GOP did sickens you

china isn't communist. its state capitalism.

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Originally posted by The17sss We've already been over this. I am just as disgusted with the GOP as you are with how they've abandoned their conservative principles. As big as the GOP made it now, which is out of hand, the Dems still want to make it bigger than that... that can't excite you if what the GOP did sickens you

So what you're really saying is eliminating MORE regulations, lowering taxes FURTHER, and continuing the disastrous economic and foreign policy trends of the last 7 years is BETTER than giving the Democrats a chance to turn the country around?

I assume you make more than $250k a year. Are you shivering in your boots?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN china isn't communist. its state capitalism.

ding ding ding

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Originally posted by NoError ding ding ding

haha. you really from hobart?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN haha. you really from hobart?

Yes. Margate

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Originally posted by Krypton So what you're really saying is eliminating MORE regulations, lowering taxes FURTHER, and continuing the disastrous economic and foreign policy trends of the last 7 years is BETTER than giving the Democrats a chance to turn the country around? I assume you make more than $250k a year. Are you shivering in your boots?

Nah I'm not saying that man. I'm just saying if you hate the state of affairs with an expanded govt., regardless of the party, why would you want it to grow even larger, which is what would happen with a Dem. president? Aren't you getting a little taste of how the Democrat party will "turn things around" after the last 2 years of a new Dem. controlled congress doing absolutely fucking nothing and garnering the lowest approval rating in its history? Gas was $2.33 when they came in, saying they would immediately work on a policy to give relief at the pump

Look the democrats are just terrible and republicans are the only way to roll. Isn't it obvious guys?


Where would we be now if Gore had been elected?


FUCKED!


TOTALLY FUCKED AYE!

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Originally posted by NoError Yes. Margate

no kidding. kingston.

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Originally posted by The17sss Nah I'm not saying that man. I'm just saying if you hate the state of affairs with an expanded govt., regardless of the party, why would you want it to grow even larger, which is what would happen with a Dem. president? Aren't you getting a little taste of how the Democrat party will "turn things around" after the last 2 years of a new Dem. controlled congress doing absolutely fucking nothing and garnering the lowest approval rating in its history? Gas was $2.33 when they came in, saying they would immediately work on a policy to give relief at the pump

What can a democrat-controlled congress do when they barely hold the majority, and the president is radical conservative extremist who will veto anything that goes against his agenda. There is no way the Democrats could do anything like end the war in Iraq. Also, you can't blame Democrats for the high gas prices, because the current up-trend in gas prices began in 2003 when Mr. Bush decided to invade Iraq. This is 3 years before the Democrats gained control of the Congress. Also, the low approval rating of congress includes Republicans too! Democrats can't end the war, Republicans just suck. Hence, Congress is playing politics as usual.

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Originally posted by Krypton What can a democrat-controlled congress do when they barely hold the majority, and the president is radical conservative extremist who will veto anything that goes against his agenda. There is no way the Democrats could do anything like end the war in Iraq. Also, you can't blame Democrats for the high gas prices, because the current up-trend in gas prices began in 2003 when Mr. Bush decided to invade Iraq. This is 3 years before the Democrats gained control of the Congress. Also, the low approval rating of congress includes Republicans too! Democrats can't end the war, Republicans just suck. Hence, Congress is playing politics as usual.

They can stop bills from passing?

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Originally posted by Sunsnail They can stop bills from passing?

They as in Republicans? Yes. They can filibuster, the president can veto, or really important bills require a 2/3 super-majority, which the Dems don't have. Also, BOTH houses of Congress must approve the same bill. You can imagine the gridlock of being a legislator...

But it's about time the 6 years of one party Republican rule is over. Now we're flip flopping to one party Democratic rule..

Sorry 17ss..but you are completely wrong about China. China is a totalitarian state yes...but they are communist in name only. The government does NOT control the means of production. In fact, I would say they are much, much more capitalist than we are in America today. They have abandoned most of their old socialist policies and now embrace free markets and private property rights. We have been moving in the opposite direction for the past few decades which is why we are stagnating while China is booming.

As for Obama, yeah he has some bad ideas...but both parties in America are moving away from the ideas of economic freedom so we are indeed f*cked either way.. But to claim the republicans are somehow better than the dems..when Bush has grown NON-defense spending at almost 3X the rate Clinton grew it...When the republican majority in congress passed the largest expansion of the welfare state since LBJ's war on poverty...and when the "conservative" party pushed us into a completely unnecessary $500 billion war...is just farking ridiculous.

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Originally posted by The17sss my answer is... the dems run congress and control the money son! but don't deflect from the point about obama... this one isn't about the GOP

What was your point about Obama? That he realizes that even state capitalism is working better right now than Bush economic policies and under-investment in critical infrastructure?

Don't give me lectures about America's amazing infrastructure. I was on I-35W last August 2.

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Originally posted by The17sss my answer is... the dems run congress and control the money son! but don't deflect from the point about obama... this one isn't about the GOP

Yes, because these problems just developed in the past 1.5 years, not the 12 before that where the GOP controlled both houses.

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