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So I dunno if you guys have heard about this but as the the rumour goes Apple is supposidly releasing a Macbook Touch. Nothing has been confirmed yet so this is just speculative but HP and a slew of other companies have already released a touch screen tablet and I started to wonder how this could effect users or serato and ableton.

I think it'd be fucking awesome if Ableton/Serato would port onto these tablet/touch laptops so that live DJS can use it almost like a LEMUR midi based system.

So my question to you guys is this... if Apple does release this Macbook Touch... do you think Ableton/Serato/Torq would port well onto this system? Is there a future here?

dj'ing will become so easy that no one will pay to see them anymore unless they live pa or do it the real way.

given how sensitive some of the programs would need to be i doubt it... look how poorly the iphone handles touch at times.

and if the answer is yes, it's a few years away i'm sure...

i'm just going to wait till someone releases a computer that you can control with your brain waves

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Originally posted by elFreak dj'ing will become so easy that no one will pay to see them anymore unless they live pa or do it the real way.

I doubt it. Most clubbers don't care what the DJ uses to perform. They mostly care about the end result. TA's are a very special group. ; ) However, we don't make up the majority of the club scene.

i'm talking in the international dj sense and not locally.

do you make 5k a gig?

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Originally posted by elFreak dj'ing will become so easy that no one will pay to see them anymore unless they live pa or do it the real way.

No, DJing will become so easy that maybe some people will start actually thinking about what they're playing in case it results in an advantage over other DJs.

It's not as if the number of good DJs has actually increased with the boost in technology, it just means there are more shit ones (in my humble opinion). I can count on one hand the number of DJs I rate who didn't learn on vinyl... and I can probably count on one finger the number of DJs I rate who learnt on PC-based technologies. Not because I disapprove of the new technology at all, it's just the vast majority of people who learn on newer technologies don't really seem to think for themselves.


What's more likely is that no one will pay to see them anymore because the chances of them turning up and finding a monkey behind the decks who hasn't got a clue what he/she is doing (but got a gig because a- they could mix and b- they agreed to sell 50 tickets for the promoter) will increase.

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Originally posted by elFreak i'm talking in the international dj sense and not locally. do you make 5k a gig?

I'm pretty certain just about every DJ who earns 5k or more per gig has been around since the dark ages and hence learnt on vinyl... they don't have to prove themselves, if they DJ with a laptop then it's because it works better for them or makes it easier logistically, not because they couldn't handle having to beatmatch manually.


What do you call "the real way" anyway? (should probably have established that before my ranting, but still)

what i meant by real way, is someone who can use all the tools.

nothing against ableton.

i want to see more than just hits lined up by waveform.

if anything technology will produce better music live then ever before...but this is not dj'ing.

and no...for 5k a gig you only have to be a producer with a few known tracks. This does not mean they can dj.

I hope you realize that this is a joke...

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest I hope you realize that this is a joke...

The "apple" pic is fake and the statement about making it so easy anyone can do it etc, is BS, but apple have been trying to get a tablet based system off the ground for at least a year.

It was leaked a while ago that they had been researching large scale touch screens (i.e. applying for patents, trying to discreetly post job vacancies for experts in touch screen/software development development etc,).

It will be useful for some apps but unless they figure out how to make the screen truly velocity sensitive, and come up with extremely clever ways of navigating all program parameters without confusing the using or having a huge learning curve (which I actually give them credit for the iphone) then it won't really work for us music producers.

Things like ableton and serato probably will port well because of the drag an drop nature of the thing (they are also fairly simple) but I don't see it working for the likes of Logic and Cuabse - there are just so many keyboard/mouse/menu options that need to be accessed.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN The "apple" pic is fake and the statement about making it so easy anyone can do it etc, is BS, but apple have been trying to get a tablet based system off the ground for at least a year. It was leaked a while ago that they had been researching large scale touch screens (i.e. applying for patents, trying to discreetly post job vacancies for experts in touch screen/software development development etc,). It will be useful for some apps but unless they figure out how to make the screen truly velocity sensitive, and come up with extremely clever ways of navigating all program parameters without confusing the using or having a huge learning curve (which I actually give them credit for the iphone) then it won't really work for us music producers. Things like ableton and serato probably will port well because of the drag an drop nature of the thing (they are also fairly simple) but I don't see it working for the likes of Logic and Cuabse - there are just so many keyboard/mouse/menu options that need to be accessed.

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest

C'mon, you can do better than that

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Originally posted by DJ RANN C'mon, you can do better than that

True. I guess I just don't see Apple actually releasing a product like this. And, given the sources, it really seems like this isn't going to happen.

It's all rumors but....



http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/25...k-touch-builds/

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/23...g-in-fall-2008/

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/13...touch-displays/

It was obvious the image I posted was just a rendition of what it could look like... I made it very clear this is JUST speculative..

Check out macdailynews.com. They had the actual patent papers Apple had submitted and they resemble closest to the photo I posted,

I'm not saying we're gonna use the touch screen to operate the low/mid/highs... I was just saying that it could up the game in SERATOR/TORQ/ABLETON... I for one would love to be able to drop the mouse and operate ableton based purely with touch.. almost like a lemur can except more advanced...

It's a known fact that Apple is going to be releasing a touch tablet computer... ASUS has confirmed it.. and QATAS is working on the technology as well.. the future is touch my friend...

And I was referring to DJing off the program... not producing... and please don't turn this into an ableton vs. cdj/vinyl debate... there are enough threads out there and discuss this issue

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Originally posted by Marcus007 It was obvious the image I posted was just a rendition of what it could look like... I made it very clear this is JUST speculative.. Check out macdailynews.com. They had the actual patent papers Apple had submitted and they resemble closest to the photo I posted, I'm not saying we're gonna use the touch screen to operate the low/mid/highs... I was just saying that it could up the game in SERATOR/TORQ/ABLETON... I for one would love to be able to drop the mouse and operate ableton based purely with touch.. almost like a lemur can except more advanced... It's a known fact that Apple is going to be releasing a touch tablet computer... ASUS has confirmed it.. and QATAS is working on the technology as well.. the future is touch my friend... And I was referring to DJing off the program... not producing... and please don't turn this into an ableton vs. cdj/vinyl debate... there are enough threads out there and discuss this issue

In regards to DJing with it:

I think it would be really cool to DJ with it. Although the screen would probably have to be zoomed in in Ableton so you can ensure you're doing exactly what you want to do. You could even have like the main Ableton screen, and then have a button you press that takes you to another screen that has controls that you specifically use for ableton. That would be pretty awesome.

EDIT: although I find myself using vinyl these days.

yeah maybe ableton could port a Touch edition... magnified start cues and such... would be so much fun to drop your finger on the waveform and start the track there... could rly up the game

PVD would so use two of these babies while gigging if they were touch... lol

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Originally posted by Marcus007 PVD would so use two of these babies while gigging if they were touch... lol

haha

But ya, I think it would (if it comes out) definitely up the bar in terms of PC based DJing. It'd probably make it easier and more interesting/fun as well.

I will sit back and wait to see how it will turn out first before I decided if it is worth to buy. Because it could flop or sell like crazy.

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Patent: Apple Details Multi-Touch Mac User Interface
Thursday August 28, 2008 12:21 PM EST

Written by Arnold Kim

An Apple patent application published today rehashes some concepts and diagrams from 2006 patent but generates continued interest due to persistant rumors that Apple may release a multi-touch tablet Mac.

AppleInsider details some of the techniques in accessing small user interface controls when using your fingers on a multi-touch tablet Mac:

Apple explains that on a tablet Mac, the buttons of a control box may be smaller than a users finger and located close together. Therefore it may be difficult for the user to make a selection directly without possibly pressing an undesirable button. To solve this problem, at least a portion of the control box would be enlarged, including the buttons therein when the user places their thumb over the control box.

Apple also details the use of swipe and scrolling to manipulate on screen lists as well as the implementation of a full screen multi-touch keyboard.:

While we've heard rumors of a tablet Mac for years, this year we've heard claims that either a tablet or mini-tablet Mac could be coming soon.

Of course they're going to at some point.

The question is, as the OP said, whether it'll be any good for DJ software. I think it will be, but while buttons and sliders are fine, tweaking a fat hardware EQ knob is something that won't ever be the same on a computer screen.

And I agree, production with existing software like Cubase and Logic wouldn't really be helped much, but a dedicated sequencer designed for multitouch could be pretty cool. But that's going to be the issue with all of this - the software would have to be specially adapted for multitouch because giving most normal programs 3 or 4 simultaneous mouse commands would confuse the fuck out of them.

It's quite possible that in 10 years time we'll all just be using multitouch computers at work, at home, in the studio etc whether Apple are first to market or not - they're not the only ones with access to the technology so bickering over whether it'll happen or not is pointless... someone will bring one out at some point.

I agree... production wise it's of no value and expecting to use it to control ur eqs are unrealistic... but for starting clips, fader control and track point selection it could be revolutionary

how long until richie starts using one? :PPPP I bet you theyre releasing this sometime around XMAS... fingers crossed!

I agree... production wise it's of no value and expecting to use it to control ur eqs are unrealistic... but for starting clips, fader control and track point selection it could be revolutionary

how long until richie starts using one? :PPPP I bet you theyre releasing this sometime around XMAS... fingers crossed!

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Originally posted by Marcus007 I agree... production wise it's of no value and expecting to use it to control ur eqs are unrealistic... but for starting clips, fader control and track point selection it could be revolutionary how long until richie starts using one? :PPPP I bet you theyre releasing this sometime around XMAS... fingers crossed!

The lemur in my opinion is one of the most powerful production tools... if this is anything like that, it will be very valuable to the production community.


The whole thing that makes the Lemur so interesting is being able to concoct your own interface... or in some ways, construct your own on screen instrument.

Hopefully the it's up to standard for fast input and multitouch.

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