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Getting Started

I'm brand new here, but I've read some things from Trance Addict on/off over the years, but I heard this forum was a really cool community. So, first I'd just like to say hello to everyone.

I absolutely love Trance, and Hardstyle comes in as a close second, but I was wondering if anyone had any tips for someone who is wanting to get into producing music. I'm only 20, going on 21 by next month, but I've been an avid fan of Trance for nearly 8 years now and I can hardly wait to try making my own songs some day.

My questions are:
1. What's some good equipment for a complete beginner who doesn't have too much money to spend?
2. I've heard a lot about Fruity Loops software, is it as good as I hear it is?
3. Do any of you produce your own music? What did you do to get started?
4. Do any of you live in Maryland, USA?
5. Any other advice?

I'm just looking for tips and help at the moment.

Thanks & Peace

Nobody produces here we just talk alot about it.

To get started read this:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...2&forumid=48&s=

Fruity loops is for gays and newbs But Tiesto uses it as well as Paul Van Dyk.

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Originally posted by Sivro I'm brand new here, but I've read some things from Trance Addict on/off over the years, but I heard this forum was a really cool community. So, first I'd just like to say hello to everyone. I absolutely love Trance, and Hardstyle comes in as a close second, but I was wondering if anyone had any tips for someone who is wanting to get into producing music. I'm only 20, going on 21 by next month, but I've been an avid fan of Trance for nearly 8 years now and I can hardly wait to try making my own songs some day. My questions are: 1. What's some good equipment for a complete beginner who doesn't have too much money to spend? 2. I've heard a lot about Fruity Loops software, is it as good as I hear it is? 3. Do any of you produce your own music? What did you do to get started? 4. Do any of you live in Maryland, USA? 5. Any other advice? I'm just looking for tips and help at the moment. Thanks & Peace

Yeah, its just called the production studio because it sounds good, gets us laid more often etc. Really we just talk about computer games and stuff like that.
You'll need a soundcard and headphones/monitors to start, plus whatever controllers you feel are neccesary. You can search to find all this information.
Based on your apparent knowledge (and resourcefulness) from your questions, I'd say fuity would be great for you
Other advice: don't ask questions without browsing around the forums first and using the search buttons and FAQs, please, its for your own good

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Originally posted by kitphillips Based on your apparent knowledge (and resourcefulness) from your questions, I'd say fuity would be great for you

lolol

For equipment get 2 CDJ 200's and a DJM 400 mixer if you're going to DJ. If you just want to make your own songs, then equipment is not necessary for a beginner.

I use FL studio. Its basically just a simpler, more fun version of Reason that can accomplish about the same results. Try the demo version or just pirate it.

I actually started with Garageband, but I needed something more than that. I tried Logic Pro, Reason, and FL, and I liked FL the best.

I do live in MD. Howard county actually. What about you?

Other advice: have fun!

FL is for n00bs (i still use it ) but on the other hand it is quite cheep and good enough for n00bs

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Originally posted by Sivro 4. Do any of you live in Maryland, USA?

Why does it matter??

If you don't work with audio a lot (like vocals),

reason 4, a midi keyboard/controller and a good couple of monitors (and a fast computer with a professional asio soundcard).

If you need audio editing inside your sequencer, add ableton live and rewire it with reason 4.

This is the easiest way to get good results. Most other packages (except maybe logic) will need loads of VST synths/VST FX and/or hardware synths.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Based on your apparent knowledge (and resourcefulness) from your questions, I'd say fuity would be great for you Other advice: don't ask questions without browsing around the forums first and using the search buttons and FAQs, please, its for your own good

Yeah, I know I'm a newb lol. Plus I originally posted this in a different thread, but I was told this was the place to take it, so I didn't even see the FAQs until after I posted...I'm still looking around though.

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Originally posted by Logical I do live in MD. Howard county actually. What about you?

Cool. I live in Pringe George's County right next to Andrew's Air Force Base. Thanks for the advice and tips though.

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Originally posted by Owsey2008 Why does it matter??

I'm just curious, is that so bad? :P

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Originally posted by Sivro My questions are: 1. What's some good equipment for a complete beginner who doesn't have too much money to spend? 2. I've heard a lot about Fruity Loops software, is it as good as I hear it is? 5. Any other advice?

1: get a daw like ableton, fl, or reasaon, etc....that will be enough for a long time.
2: it's as good and better.
5: have fun, do what you think is right.

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Originally posted by Sivro 2. I've heard a lot about Fruity Loops software, is it as good as I hear it is?

It is as good as you hear it is, from FL users. However, unfortunately, most FL users are pretty clueless. FL lacks some fundamental features that are just "assumed" to be in any good DAW, these days. For example:
- Automatic plugin delay compensation
- Real sidechain plugin support
- Proper dual/quad core CPU support

I would say the majority of FL users don't know what any of these features are, let alone the fact that FL doesn't have them. I can't imagine using a DAW that did not provide these functions.

Audio editing/recording in FL is also a joke, but that's not really the market it was made for, so you can't expect it to compete with Cubase/Sonar/Logic/etc.

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Originally posted by echosystm It is as good as you hear it is, from FL users. However, unfortunately, most FL users are pretty clueless. FL lacks some fundamental features that are just "assumed" to be in any good DAW, these days. For example: - Automatic plugin delay compensation - Real sidechain plugin support - Proper dual/quad core CPU support I would say the majority of FL users don't know what any of these features are, let alone the fact that FL doesn't have them. I can't imagine using a DAW that did not provide these functions. Audio editing/recording in FL is also a joke, but that's not really the market it was made for, so you can't expect it to compete with Cubase/Sonar/Logic/etc.

stop talking shit about stuff you don't use, beside the multiple core support everything is good in FL... i have been an FL user for 7 years now and recently moved to ableton and though i love ableton's live i love fruity too, their both are great.

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA stop talking shit about stuff you don't use

I actually DID use FL, from Fruity Loops 2.x right up to FL Studio 7.



(I was one of the aforementioned clueless FL users).

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Originally posted by echosystm I actually DID use FL, from Fruity Loops 2.x right up to FL Studio 7. (I was one of the aforementioned clueless FL users).

so you do know the benefits in FL, once they get the multicore support it'll be a great program, i see no point in bashing something just 'cos you didn't like it or thought it wasn't good enough, some mad tracks were created using madtracker/buzz and they are not as sophisticated as most programs are... your DAW is merely a platform for your ideas not the ideas themselves, once you realize that you can make anything with anything really...

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Originally posted by Logical For equipment get 2 CDJ 200's and a DJM 400 mixer if you're going to DJ. If you just want to make your own songs, then equipment is not necessary for a beginner. I use FL studio. Its basically just a simpler, more fun version of Reason that can accomplish about the same results. Try the demo version or just pirate it.

Logical your a hoe ass ****** u fucken jack off! i hate to see ******s like you on this Forum! i bet u dont even know how to use Fl or Reason so shut the fuck up! I DONT LIKE YOUR KIND ON THIS FORUM! u should not pirate software and if u do and u use it a lot BUy IT!

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA so you do know the benefits in FL, once they get the multicore support it'll be a great program, i see no point in bashing something just 'cos you didn't like it or thought it wasn't good enough, some mad tracks were created using madtracker/buzz and they are not as sophisticated as most programs are... your DAW is merely a platform for your ideas not the ideas themselves, once you realize that you can make anything with anything really...

Some mad tracks were created with a pair of spoons. If you enjoy a challenge then continue using FL. Otherwise, get a system that makes music creation easier and more natural

@ the OP, I understand now why you asked whether any of us made music, that got a bit of from me at first...
Most important thing in music is your own brain, that means that the best thing you can do is be resourceful and intelligent. That means not posting a thread like "how do I make ch00ns" before you've had a look at the whole of the forums section of a site, and assured yourself that there is no forum called "production studio" or something similar (may also be called "the pit of doom" in some cases).

But yeah, best way to learn, is basically, spend a few hours trawling through old threads here, hang around till you know what NOT to ask, then ask anything you haven't learned yet

Each DAW has its advantages and disadvantages. Some are better suited to certain tasks. Depending on your requirements, a certain DAW could do what you want if you spend 2 hours working at it. A different DAW could let you achieve the same result in 15 minutes.

To the original poster - the FAQ covers this subject pretty well. my advice is, start off as cheaply as possible. When you're just starting out learning how to put sounds together, you'll make progress on any semi-decent DAW. Grab some freeware, work at it for a few months, then read up on what other software, hardware, sample packs etc could potentially offer you.

After a few months you'll be better positioned to make purchasing decisions.

In short, you'll probably require -

1) A DAW/sequencer to record/place all your sounds/notes. I believe there are some decent freeware options.
2) Something which produces sound - plenty of decent free VST synths and samplers.
3) Some drum samples - once again, decent free packs can be found on the net.
4) Something to let you hear the sound - your PC's onboard sound and speakers could well be enough (or headphones) for the first few months. No need to spend heaps on monitor speakers until you've made a bit of progress and know you'll hang in there.

That's pretty much it. Maybe a cheap MIDI keyboard if you want to play/improvise. But that's not essential. Read the FAQ, this question comes up many, many times.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Some mad tracks were created with a pair of spoons. If you enjoy a challenge then continue using FL. Otherwise, get a system that makes music creation easier and more natural

just stop writing in "facts" that really bothers me, there is no "natural" or easier programs, there are a bunch of softwares out there, all do more or less the same things, some will come more naturally to you, some won't, and some find FL studio easy, you don't, get over it.

at the end its all the same sh*t, if you have an idea youll make it no matter the program, you are supposed to control the program not the other way around you know...

i hate it when people just bash for no good reason, and if the reason is personal experience just remember that different people have different needs.

at the end of the day if i hear a great track i dont give a damn if it was created with logic\FL\cubase\mom's washing machine...

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA so you do know the benefits in FL, once they get the multicore support it'll be a great program

that and auto PDC, real sidechain plugin support and better audio editing. then, yes it will be a great program.

unfortunately, it was written in the shittest modern programming language known to man and there are (according to even the developers) too many foundational issues limiting the implementation of these new features. i remember a developer saying a complete rewrite is necessary. obviously, this is unlikely to happen any time in the forseeable future, if at all. in the meantime, most other DAWs have had these features for many many years.

i used to think FL was a great starting point, but it's really hard to recommend FL to anyone starting out now. it has fallen too far behind.

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA i see no point in bashing something just 'cos ... you thought it wasn't good enough

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Originally posted by echosystm that and auto PDC, real sidechain plugin support and better audio editing. then, yes it will be a great program. unfortunately, it was written in the shittest modern programming language known to man and there are (according to even the developers) too many foundational issues limiting the implementation of these new features. i remember a developer saying a complete rewrite is necessary. obviously, this is unlikely to happen any time in the forseeable future, if at all. in the meantime, most other DAWs have had these features for many many years. i used to think FL was a great starting point, but it's really hard to recommend FL to anyone starting out now. it has fallen too far behind.

look, all the things you mentioned can be solved outside the program, not an ideal but if one likes the program he will find a way around its lacking options...

and for the second quote, why is it that difficult to introduce your opinion as an opinion and not as a fact? you could just stated it was your opinion, that's what triggered me in the first place...

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Originally posted by echosystm - Automatic plugin delay compensation - Real sidechain plugin support - Proper dual/quad core CPU support I would say the majority of FL users don't know what any of these features are

none of these issues hinders creating music


but i agree, it sucks that dual/quad isnt supported properly....

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA just stop writing in "facts" that really bothers me, there is no "natural" or easier programs, there are a bunch of softwares out there, all do more or less the same things, some will come more naturally to you, some won't, and some find FL studio easy, you don't, get over it. at the end its all the same sh*t, if you have an idea youll make it no matter the program, you are supposed to control the program not the other way around you know... i hate it when people just bash for no good reason, and if the reason is personal experience just remember that different people have different needs. at the end of the day if i hear a great track i dont give a damn if it was created with logic\FL\cubase\mom's washing machine...

Yeah, but it annoyed the hell out of me having no PDC, Multicore is an absolute neccesity and theres a whole bunch of other very objective technical reasons why FL is rubbish.

If we were discussing logic vs Cubase then it would be different.
Mind you, I understand that Fl probably has charm for some people, so do spoons and pans, we all have our weapons of choice, which we use because we're attached to them. Quirky, half broken instruments or software which form part of the character of our sound. But FL is simply not on par with other DAWs, sorry if that offends you, but it is a "fact"... We both agree that it doesn't matter what you produce with, music that's quality is quality.
But how you can say that all DAWs are equal is beyond me. I've used most, and I can tell you that some are just not up to the task, and each has its own strengths. Ever try audio in Reason? How about trance in PT? It doesn't work.
Theres nothing stopping you from trying, and maybe makig something great. But it would have been easier all along if you had had a DAW which was better set up for the task.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah, but it annoyed the hell out of me having no PDC, Multicore is an absolute neccesity and theres a whole bunch of other very objective technical reasons why FL is rubbish. If we were discussing logic vs Cubase then it would be different. Mind you, I understand that Fl probably has charm for some people, so do spoons and pans, we all have our weapons of choice, which we use because we're attached to them. Quirky, half broken instruments or software which form part of the character of our sound. But FL is simply not on par with other DAWs, sorry if that offends you, but it is a "fact"... We both agree that it doesn't matter what you produce with, music that's quality is quality. But how you can say that all DAWs are equal is beyond me. I've used most, and I can tell you that some are just not up to the task, and each has its own strengths. Ever try audio in Reason? How about trance in PT? It doesn't work. Theres nothing stopping you from trying, and maybe makig something great. But it would have been easier all along if you had had a DAW which was better set up for the task.

it doesn't offend me, it annoys me that you guys are posting those "facts" to a new guy in production, instead of just showing him hes options and the ones you prefer.

and i would simply say i don't agree with you.

Well, its all good then, since he's had a balanced opinion from both of us

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